Russia just hacked the French election

[PaNTuXIa]

This help didn't arrive soon enough. I really wanted this dirt on Macron to really swing the French election to Le Pen. I had high hopes for this.

What specific dirt would that be? Other than a poor reflection on his cyber security?

Oh you know, just offshore bank accounts and tax evasion. Nothing to worry about.

[The Grene Knyght]

What specific dirt would that be? Other than a poor reflection on his cyber security?

Oh you know, just offshore bank accounts and tax evasion. Nothing to worry about.

Link? I'm genuinely interested (and not too surprised), but most articles seem to focus on the fact that the hack took place, and speculation as to the source, rather than the actual content of the hack (I think the source in the OP might have mentioned a lot of what was realised was faked, but idk if that's true)

[Frank Zipper]

I don't think 'must have done it' or 'must not have done it' are appropriate positions in this debate.

I don't think so either, my point is that you have no clue whether they have hacked the election or not.

My point is that you don't either.

[Vassenor]

This help didn't arrive soon enough. I really wanted this dirt on Macron to really swing the French election to Le Pen. I had high hopes for this.

That's a pretty stunning indictment of how crap her platform was then if you admit she needed something like this to win.

[Central Asian Republics]

I don't think so either, my point is that you have no clue whether they have hacked the election or not.

My point is that you don't either.

And? Can you prove that God doesn't exist. Can you prove that invisible unicorns doesn't exist.

Arguing on a hypothetical "what if" basis is pointless, especially when you're constantly leaning to the "Russia could have" argument.

[Vassenor]

My point is that you don't either.

And? Can you prove that God doesn't exist. Can you prove that invisible unicorns doesn't exist.

Arguing on a hypothetical "what if" basis is pointless, especially when you're constantly leaning to the "Russia could have" argument.

Are we doing Russell's Teapot again?

[Gauthier]

My point is that you don't either.

And? Can you prove that God doesn't exist. Can you prove that invisible unicorns doesn't exist.

Arguing on a hypothetical "what if" basis is pointless, especially when you're constantly leaning to the "Russia could have" argument.

All the while you're asserting Russia didn't try to interfere in the French election. Ironic.

[Proctopeo]

All we can say for certain is that Russia has the capability to do such an action. Which is true.

[Central Asian Republics]

And? Can you prove that God doesn't exist. Can you prove that invisible unicorns doesn't exist.

Arguing on a hypothetical "what if" basis is pointless, especially when you're constantly leaning to the "Russia could have" argument.

All the while you're asserting Russia didn't try to interfere in the French election. Ironic.

Not really ironic, you're clearly missing the point. The point is to always lean on the side of caution. Anything is could happen, but does that mean that anything will happen? I don't think so.

[Olerand]

Oh you know, just offshore bank accounts and tax evasion. Nothing to worry about.

Link? I'm genuinely interested (and not too surprised), but most articles seem to focus on the fact that the hack took place, and speculation as to the source, rather than the actual content of the hack (I think the source in the OP might have mentioned a lot of what was realised was faked, but idk if that's true)

There is no source since none of it is true. Photo-shopped documents released online before the election were supposed to show that Macron has an offshore bank account, and En marche sued for defamation. Like all of their lawsuits before and since then, it's an ongoing investigation.

[The Grene Knyght]

Link? I'm genuinely interested (and not too surprised), but most articles seem to focus on the fact that the hack took place, and speculation as to the source, rather than the actual content of the hack (I think the source in the OP might have mentioned a lot of what was realised was faked, but idk if that's true)

There is no source since none of it is true. Photo-shopped documents released online before the election were supposed to show that Macron has an offshore bank account, and En marche sued for defamation. Like all of their lawsuits before and since then, it's an ongoing investigation.

Or maybe this is an elaborate scheme to cover up the whole thing. Look, Pantuxia CTE'd! Now they've gotten to you, too. No one is safe. Macron is coming for us all.

[Leppikania]

I think we need to take disapproving measures on Russia (trade sanctions, for example), but declaring war would be futile.

[Mississippabama]

No that isn't my point. What do you believe they have that capability for?

I could ask the same for any other country with a competent security agency. Again, what is your point? Is it "oh they're capable of doing it so they must have done it"?

It would be in Russia's best interests for Le Pen to be French president instead of Macron. She supports leaving the EU, which could start a chain reaction leading to the dissolving of the EU, and the EU kind of serves as a buffer shield, protecting most of Europe from Russian influence, so with the EU gone, Russia would be able to exert significantly more influence over countries like Germany, Great Britain, and Italy, and consequently the United States.

[Gauthier]

I could ask the same for any other country with a competent security agency. Again, what is your point? Is it "oh they're capable of doing it so they must have done it"?

It would be in Russia's best interests for Le Pen to be French president instead of Macron. She supports leaving the EU, which could start a chain reaction leading to the dissolving of the EU, and the EU kind of serves as a buffer shield, protecting most of Europe from Russian influence, so with the EU gone, Russia would be able to exert significantly more influence over countries like Germany, Great Britain, and Italy, and consequently the United States.

And which would also damage NATO, which is also a buffer against Russian military hijinks.

[Thermodolia]

All we can say for certain is that Russia has the capability to do such an action. Which is true.

Though I think they need to get their money back after what happened in the French election

[Proctopeo]

All we can say for certain is that Russia has the capability to do such an action. Which is true.

Though I think they need to get their money back after what happened in the French election

If they did it, that is.

[The Grand World Order]

Correcting myself on some things I said earlier in this thread, cos I admit when I'm wrong.

Yes, on looking over some more things at work, there is very strong evidence suggesting Russia hacked the DNC and I personally do believe they did. I simply hadn't looked in the right places.

Regardless, I think it's ironic how people are accusing them of rigging the election by exposing how the DNC was rigging the primaries.

[Sareva]

Correcting myself on some things I said earlier in this thread, cos I admit when I'm wrong.

Yes, on looking over some more things at work, there is very strong evidence suggesting Russia hacked the DNC and I personally do believe they did. I simply hadn't looked in the right places.

Regardless, I think it's ironic how people are accusing them of rigging the election by exposing how the DNC was rigging the primaries.

When accused of bad things, deflect on the other guy. It seems to be SOP for both parties at this point.

[Shofercia]

Hackers just expose the truth.

This coming from someone who always has the "High Ground"

[Vassenor]

Correcting myself on some things I said earlier in this thread, cos I admit when I'm wrong.

Yes, on looking over some more things at work, there is very strong evidence suggesting Russia hacked the DNC and I personally do believe they did. I simply hadn't looked in the right places.

Regardless, I think it's ironic how people are accusing them of rigging the election by exposing how the DNC was rigging the primaries.

Has anyone actually produced any evidence the primaries were rigged beyond "Bernie didn't win therefore they must have been rigged"?

[Shrilland]

Is Russia another way of saying CIA? No hacking took place. Marcon is just a sore loser.

[Frank Zipper]

Is Russia another way of saying CIA? No hacking took place. Marcon is just a sore loser.

He won.

[Shrilland]

Is Russia another way of saying CIA? No hacking took place. Marcon is just a sore loser.

He won.

The election as, "hacked", so obviously it has to be redone. If Trump won and people suspected hacking they would never accept him. Oh. Wait. Sorry, but Russian hacking is a myth and there is no proof. It was merely a ruse. Marcon probably would have won regardless but it's clear he used fake news to play dirty because he is a cuck

[Improved werpland]

Correcting myself on some things I said earlier in this thread, cos I admit when I'm wrong.

Yes, on looking over some more things at work, there is very strong evidence suggesting Russia hacked the DNC and I personally do believe they did. I simply hadn't looked in the right places.

Regardless, I think it's ironic how people are accusing them of rigging the election by exposing how the DNC was rigging the primaries.

Has anyone actually produced any evidence the primaries were rigged beyond "Bernie didn't win therefore they must have been rigged"?

It was rigged because the DNC was biased. Yes, it was pretty obvious that they would be, and rigging doesn't always mean electoral fraud.

[Vassenor]

Has anyone actually produced any evidence the primaries were rigged beyond "Bernie didn't win therefore they must have been rigged"?

It was rigged because the DNC was biased. Yes, it was pretty obvious that they would be, and rigging doesn't always mean electoral fraud.

So where is the evidence of bias? And where is the evidence that this affected the result?