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Is Nationstates a good representation of demographics?

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Does Nationstates represent real-life Anglosphere demographics well?

Yes.
8
6%
No.
137
94%
 
Total votes : 145

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Minoa
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Posts: 6154
Founded: Oct 05, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minoa » Wed May 10, 2017 6:53 am

USS Monitor wrote:It was something I saw in 2010 or 2011. It might have been this: https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions ... 21106.html , but I thought I had seen something similar from a more credible source.

Indymedia UK needs to be treated with caution because of the conspiracy theories and limited peer review, although it is worth a mention on NSindex because Indymedia has an entry on Wikipedia.

USS Monitor wrote:Given how long ago it was, it's possible that I misremembered the source. I am an experimental vessel that was launched without being properly debugged, so sometimes not everything works right. :oops:

Don't panic, no one’s perfect.

USS Monitor wrote:Point is, we've had a lot of Nazi content posted over the years, enough to get complaints. We don't have a general ban on racist content, even though a lot of websites do. We sometimes get accused of pandering to racists and/or right-wing trolls.

The events of last year is something that led me to think again about the future of NationStates’ approach towards far-right and Neo-Nazi views, and whether NationStates should perhaps toughen its approach to racist content in order to ensure that we do not decline to the same level of hostile conduct that we have seen with 4chan.

The fact that the site banned the ‘echo’ is promising in my opinion but I feel I could do better to toughen its line against inciting racial hatred, as in condoning discrimination and all that hate stuff.

Of course, any action we take needs to balance freedom of expression, although here in Europe we do not see incitement to racial hatred as part of freedom of expression. Norway does have laws against hate speech (Section 135a of the Penal Code, PDF) but is #1 in the World Press Freedom Index this year with a score of 7.60 (range is 0-100, lower is better).

Maybe it is because I try to have really high standards in user conduct, even though I am openly honest about my mental health for the hopefully understandable sake of breaking the stigma (TES, 25 April 2017): while most students in my university were drinking and partying, I used the same time to study and come up with new ideas.
Mme A. d'Oiseau, B.A. (State of Minoa)

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Community Values
Minister
 
Posts: 2880
Founded: Nov 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Community Values » Wed May 10, 2017 6:55 am

Libertarians still make up >2% of the population, so we got that right.
"Corrupted by wealth and power, your government is like a restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen."
-Huey Long

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The BlAAtschApen
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Founded: Antiquity
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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Wed May 10, 2017 7:43 am

Minoa wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:It was something I saw in 2010 or 2011. It might have been this: https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions ... 21106.html , but I thought I had seen something similar from a more credible source.

Indymedia UK needs to be treated with caution because of the conspiracy theories and limited peer review, although it is worth a mention on NSindex because Indymedia has an entry on Wikipedia.

USS Monitor wrote:Given how long ago it was, it's possible that I misremembered the source. I am an experimental vessel that was launched without being properly debugged, so sometimes not everything works right. :oops:

Don't panic, no one’s perfect.

USS Monitor wrote:Point is, we've had a lot of Nazi content posted over the years, enough to get complaints. We don't have a general ban on racist content, even though a lot of websites do. We sometimes get accused of pandering to racists and/or right-wing trolls.

The events of last year is something that led me to think again about the future of NationStates’ approach towards far-right and Neo-Nazi views, and whether NationStates should perhaps toughen its approach to racist content in order to ensure that we do not decline to the same level of hostile conduct that we have seen with 4chan.

The fact that the site banned the ‘echo’ is promising in my opinion but I feel I could do better to toughen its line against inciting racial hatred, as in condoning discrimination and all that hate stuff.

Of course, any action we take needs to balance freedom of expression, although here in Europe we do not see incitement to racial hatred as part of freedom of expression. Norway does have laws against hate speech (Section 135a of the Penal Code, PDF) but is #1 in the World Press Freedom Index this year with a score of 7.60 (range is 0-100, lower is better).

Maybe it is because I try to have really high standards in user conduct, even though I am openly honest about my mental health for the hopefully understandable sake of breaking the stigma (TES, 25 April 2017): while most students in my university were drinking and partying, I used the same time to study and come up with new ideas.


A proper debate on NS conduct and how tolerant we should be on extreme views is better of as a discussion in Moderation.

Though we're far away from the level of 4chan. No "X deserves to be killed"{in a non-judicial manner; you can still propose the death penalty after a trial} or "Y should be raped" thrown against non-site users. And the conduct towards fellow players is even stricter.
The Blaatschapen should resign

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Minoa
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Posts: 6154
Founded: Oct 05, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minoa » Wed May 10, 2017 10:20 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:A proper debate on NS conduct and how tolerant we should be on extreme views is better of as a discussion in Moderation.

Though we're far away from the level of 4chan. No "X deserves to be killed"{in a non-judicial manner; you can still propose the death penalty after a trial} or "Y should be raped" thrown against non-site users. And the conduct towards fellow players is even stricter.

Hi, I can make arrangements to start such a discussion about handling of extreme views on Moderation when I have the time.

Community Values wrote:Libertarians still make up >2% of the population, so we got that right.

Understandable, but if it came from the forum opinion poll, it can easily be ‘stuffed’ (as in using puppets to strengthen one’s vote).
Mme A. d'Oiseau, B.A. (State of Minoa)

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Community Values
Minister
 
Posts: 2880
Founded: Nov 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Community Values » Wed May 10, 2017 11:13 am

Minoa wrote:
Community Values wrote:Libertarians still make up >2% of the population, so we got that right.

Understandable, but if it came from the forum opinion poll, it can easily be ‘stuffed’ (as in using puppets to strengthen one’s vote).


I wasn't quoting the forum opinion poll, but rather the fact that there are maybe 5 other libertarians that actively post on this site, and I don't think I can be counted as a libertarian anymore.
Last edited by Community Values on Wed May 10, 2017 11:14 am, edited 2 times in total.
"Corrupted by wealth and power, your government is like a restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen."
-Huey Long

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