Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:20 pmNationStates
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What if a liberal vs conservative civil war broke out in USA
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:20 pm
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:59 pmReally, it boils down to rural vs. industrialized. And we've had one round of that. Industry won.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:00 pmEmpire of Cats wrote:Really, it boils down to rural vs. industrialized. And we've had one round of that. Industry won.
b-52 wins.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:01 pm
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:01 pmEmpire of Cats wrote:Really, it boils down to rural vs. industrialized. And we've had one round of that. Industry won.
That's not how a civil war like this will work.
Again, this isn't the American Civil War which took place in 1861 to 1865. This hypothetical war is something else.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:02 pmTell us how it would work then?
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:03 pmThey don't seem to understand that the left is nowhere near united in their beliefs
the right on the other hand is more than willing to band together.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:04 pmKash Island wrote:Valgora wrote:
That's not how a civil war like this will work.
Again, this isn't the American Civil War which took place in 1861 to 1865. This hypothetical war is something else.
They don't seem to understand that the left is nowhere near united in their beliefs
the right on the other hand is more than willing to band together.
Yeah, that's actually very much not true. Thanks for trying though!
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:05 pmThe states call in the National Guard to keep order.
If the situation becomes worse, the federal government nationalizes the National Guard and uses the military to keep order and enforce martial law.
And liberals and conservatives can't be defined on simple geographic lines.
Sure a lot of conservatives live in the south, but not everyone in the south is a conservative.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:06 pmPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:06 pmValgora wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Tell us how it would work then?
The states call in the National Guard to keep order.
If the situation becomes worse, the federal government nationalizes the National Guard and uses the military to keep order and enforce martial law.
And liberals and conservatives can't be defined on simple geographic lines.
Sure a lot of conservatives live in the south, but not everyone in the south is a conservative.
Yes, this could happen, but this assumes that the soldiers and the government will play it neutral in this. In all likelihood, they're bound to pick sides themselves.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:06 pmYes because the Islamists, Liberals, Mexican Nationalists, Maoists are totally going to swing arm and arm together in a fight.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:07 pmPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:08 pmPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:09 pmlisten
as liberal as I am, i'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say
the conservatives would most likely win
as liberal as I am, i'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say
the conservatives would most likely win
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:09 pmTorrocca wrote:Valgora wrote:
The states call in the National Guard to keep order.
If the situation becomes worse, the federal government nationalizes the National Guard and uses the military to keep order and enforce martial law.
And liberals and conservatives can't be defined on simple geographic lines.
Sure a lot of conservatives live in the south, but not everyone in the south is a conservative.
Yes, this could happen, but this assumes that the soldiers and the government will play it neutral in this. In all likelihood, they're bound to pick sides themselves.
- The government wants to keep power.
- The Two-Party system helps them keep power.
- The two parties are divided between liberal and conservative.
- Getting rid of one makes the other more powerful.
- The government is also mixed between liberal and conservative; you'd need a very large percentage of the government to lean towards one faction for them to support it.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:09 pmExcept they don't have those same goals at all.
That's like saying a Nazi has the same goals as a moderate. It doesn't work that way.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:10 pmwrong
Groups like Moaists and Islamists will fight the same enemies as liberals, but that won't stop them from fighting liberals themselves.
Christian evangelicals won't have problems fighting with traditional conservatives and libertarians.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:12 pmThe Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:Besides the titular question, what do you think would be the outcome?
I reckon it would end with a conservative victory. Not only they are most of the US population (the National Election Pool claims they are 35% of the population, as opposed to the liberal 26%), they also hold most of the firepower, with most soldiers, gun owners, weapon industry employees and militia members being conservative. As a result, the conservatives would likely gerrymander the voting districts to give themselves a high chance of ruling.
i'm having a hard time finding the results of the liberal vs conservative numbers.
Anyway, it would be a race to "Who can get to the nuclear weapons first".
For example, the ones in Colorado and (maybe) Vandenberg Air Force Base. Both liberal states.
They get them first, they nuke most of the US before the conservatives get to them.
Or, the conservatives get to them in states like Montana and nuke them first.
There could also be a moderate faction that could be the other 39% of the population and could beat both of them.
Nuclear weapons would only be of benefit to the conservatives seeing how the majority of conservatives live in the countryside as opposed to the Liberals who live in high density city centers. Hell, all things considered they wouldn't even need to drop the bombs, they just need to cut off the energy, water, and food supplies which territory wise conservatives own.
Cut off the food and water supply of a city and let the occupants fight among themselves.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:12 pmKash Island wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Except they don't have those same goals at all.
That's like saying a Nazi has the same goals as a moderate. It doesn't work that way.
wrong
Groups like Moaists and Islamists will fight the same enemies as liberals, but that won't stop them from fighting liberals themselves.
Christian evangelicals won't have problems fighting with traditional conservatives and libertarians.
Because Conservative Islamists will fight on the Liberal side of this hypothetical civil war.
Your argument doesn't work if it revolves around tossing half the people on one side to the other and saying, "see! The other side could never work together!"
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:12 pmKash Island wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Except they don't have those same goals at all.
That's like saying a Nazi has the same goals as a moderate. It doesn't work that way.
wrong
Groups like Moaists and Islamists will fight the same enemies as liberals, but that won't stop them from fighting liberals themselves.
Christian evangelicals won't have problems fighting with traditional conservatives and libertarians.
I think christian evangelicals wouldn't fight traditional conservatives because conservatives tend to be christian and for christian ideals.
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:13 pmTorrocca wrote:Kash Island wrote:
wrong
Groups like Moaists and Islamists will fight the same enemies as liberals, but that won't stop them from fighting liberals themselves.
Christian evangelicals won't have problems fighting with traditional conservatives and libertarians.
Because Conservative Islamists will fight on the Liberal side of this hypothetical civil war.
Your argument doesn't work if it revolves around tossing half the people on one side to the other and saying, "see! The other side could never work together!"
The only reason muslims get along with extreme liberals and communists today is because they all have one thing in common: hating the current system of government in the united states.
they have these common goals. They operate on a purley enemy of my enemy is my freind type of doctrine. You really think Islamists are going to share power with Liberals?
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:14 pmValgora wrote:Kash Island wrote:
wrong
Groups like Moaists and Islamists will fight the same enemies as liberals, but that won't stop them from fighting liberals themselves.
Christian evangelicals won't have problems fighting with traditional conservatives and libertarians.
I think christian evangelicals wouldn't fight traditional conservatives because conservatives tend to be christian and for christian ideals.
exactly
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:15 pmKash Island wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Because Conservative Islamists will fight on the Liberal side of this hypothetical civil war.
Your argument doesn't work if it revolves around tossing half the people on one side to the other and saying, "see! The other side could never work together!"
The only reason muslims get along with extreme liberals and communists today is because they all have one thing in common: hating the current system of government in the united states.
they have these common goals. They operate on a purley enemy of my enemy is my freind type of doctrine. You really think Islamists are going to share power with Liberals?
That doesn't put them on the same side though! You're tossing right-wingers on the side of the left-wing and then stating that the left-wing can't get along! Your argument has no base to it because you're grasping at straws to make it work!
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:15 pmKash Island wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Except they don't have those same goals at all.
That's like saying a Nazi has the same goals as a moderate. It doesn't work that way.
wrong
Groups like Moaists and Islamists will fight the same enemies as liberals, but that won't stop them from fighting liberals themselves.
Christian evangelicals won't have problems fighting with traditional conservatives and libertarians.
They'd definitely have issues on the social side of the coin, wouldn't they? Evangelicals wouldn't like the whole "yeah do whatever" approach that Libertarians take.