What if a liberal vs conservative civil war broke out in USA

[Osnil Returns]

True. Conservatives may win the immediate, but not the long term. Which group controls our schools, our movies, and our news outlets? The Liberals would win the long-term game by indoctrinating children and shoving their agendas down our throats in our entertainment.

If only conservatism was more entertaining!

Rush Limbaugh is.

True. Conservatives may win the immediate, but not the long term. Which group controls our schools, our movies, and our news outlets? The Liberals would win the long-term game by indoctrinating children and shoving their agendas down our throats in our entertainment.

And yet we haven't ended up with a very liberal government in, well never. Methinks you doth protest too much

We had one from 2008-2016. The reign of tyranny is over.

[Giovenith]

It wouldn't happen.

But entertaining the absurdity, I continue to roll my eyes so hard that they nearly fall out of my skull at the, "only conservatives use or will ever use guns!!" delusion. Plenty of liberals have guns, and if civil war were to ever break out, plenty more with have no qualms nor problems with getting them. The second amendment does not exclusively apply to the right, and most lefties who refrain from having guns due so because they already feel safe enough to not need them, not out of some allergic reaction - if that safety is challenged, sure, they have no problem pumping someone with holes if that seems to be the best option.

I know that fact doesn't satisfy many people's desire to huff and shine their self-awarded "Badass" badges, but I'm afraid that in the real world, your guns just aren't that special or scary. My sincerest apologies.

[Thermodolia]

If only conservatism was more entertaining!

Rush Limbaugh is.

No he's not. Rush is annoying at most. Dennis Miller is actually funny

And yet we haven't ended up with a very liberal government in, well never. Methinks you doth protest too much

We had one from 2008-2016. The reign of tyranny is over.

Obama was not very liberal at all.

[Risottia]

Besides the titular question, what do you think would be the outcome?
I reckon it would end with a conservative victory. Not only they are most of the US population

-> points at the latest presidential election

they also hold most of the firepower, with most soldiers, gun owners, weapon industry employees and militia members being conservative.

On the other hand, most of the States and cities with a significant industry...

[Osnil Returns]

Besides the titular question, what do you think would be the outcome?
I reckon it would end with a conservative victory. Not only they are most of the US population

-> points at the latest presidential election

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

-> points at the latest presidential election

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

Ah, yes, the claim of large-scale voter fraud, to which I and most rational people say you have no proof and never will.

[Imperializt Russia]

It would be over in a day. Even without guns, a movement represented by fat chicks, scrawny nu-males and objects of public charity, all of whom only know how to get their way by claiming victimhood (or claiming to speak for victims), have neither the physical nor mental ability to put up any kind of resistance.

You have no idea what a liberal is

You point this out as though a person with this set of views remotely cares.

[Thermodolia]

-> points at the latest presidential election

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

Right.... come back to me when you have actual proof. Oh and just so you know I was a poll official during that election and we had two poll watchers. So it was literally impossible for anyone to vote more than once

[Neu Leonstein]

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

Actually, if the elections are the relevant yardstick here:

"Conservatives": 62,984,825
"Liberals": 65,853,516
People who would tell either to go fuck themselves and go have their war somewhere else: 195,280,446

[Thermodolia]

You have no idea what a liberal is

You point this out as though a person with this set of views remotely cares.

While they may not listen others may see it

[Thermodolia]

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

Actually, if the elections are the relevant yardstick here:

"Conservatives": 62,984,825
"Liberals": 65,853,516
People who would tell either to go fuck themselves and go have their war somewhere else: 195,280,446

I'd bet that several of the "conservatives" and "liberals" would join the last group

[Tobiasia]

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

Ah, yes, the claim of large-scale voter fraud, to which I and most rational people say you have no proof and never will.

Not to mention possible russian intervention on trump's side

[Tekeristan]

As unlikely as this is.. And how overtly destructive it would also be if we were all suddenly inflicted by a ravanous hive-mindish anger and desire for war.. I'd honestly put my money into the 'liberals'.

For the most part, I am thinking about the conflicts in areas like Syria. Most of the cities in this nation have a liberal bias, thanks to usually higher levels of diversity, education, and the way of life in general. Cities are absolutely vital. Acres of rural land isn't much compared to the processing and logistical power of urban areas.

But I also dip on the knowledge that people severely underestimate the youth, especially millennials. In this sort of proto-civil war scenario, who owns guns doesn't matter because the majority of the population isn't going to be holding one anyway : it's dependent on who can mobilize and organize various militias and who cracks into army safes first. In addition to that, I'm sorry to point out, a lot of youthful liberal people are quite educated. Believe it or not, educated city folk are going to make better soldiers than rural boys. Sheer numbers.

Of course, we'd have to eliminate the military in this context anyway. Otherwise they'd just secure important areas and shut down the whole fun thing that is war behind a hopefully temporary military junta, so we'll sort of toss it aside at the moment : most of the battles would probably occur between the national guards anyway, but this is ignoring the whole logistical issue of the nation sprouting into sudden civil war.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

Actually, if the elections are the relevant yardstick here:

"Conservatives": 62,984,825
"Liberals": 65,853,516
People who would tell either to go fuck themselves and go have their war somewhere else: 195,280,446

Go team moderate!

[Arcanda]

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

Actually, if the elections are the relevant yardstick here:

"Conservatives": 62,984,825
"Liberals": 65,853,516
People who would tell either to go fuck themselves and go have their war somewhere else: 195,280,446

2016 election numbers?
They don't mean much to me honestly. A lot of Dem working-class voters & suburban voters crossed the line to one party or another.

If the conservatives choose some moderate figureheads and don't run on a religious or ethnic platform in this civil war I think they could get a lot of independents to join, but i don't see things happenning this way. You'd probably only have extreme right-wing militias; and in the case the US Army is split, then the liberals would probably get the support of the UN & most western countries.

[Proctopeo]

-> points at the latest presidential election

We probably do outnumber the liberals. If you don't count all the dead people, illegals, and people who voted multiple times.

This is about as ridiculous as claiming that Russians hacked the election. I say "about", as small-scale voter fraud does take upon those forms, so it's not completely crazy. What's the eternal phrase again? "Vote early, vote often"?

[The V O I D]

“I'm sure the conservatives/right-wing will win.”
- Unknown, during the American Revolution.

“I'm sure the conservatives/right-wing will win.”
- Unknown, during the Civil War.

“I'm sure the conservatives/right-wing will win.”
- Unknown, during WWI (if you consider the central powers conservative).

“I'm sure the conservatives/right-wing will win.”
- Unknown, during the Russian Civil War.

“I'm sure the conservatives/right-wing will win.”
- Unknown, during WWII.

[Proctopeo]

On the topic of the thread, though, my bet is on the conservatives. More weapons and more competency with weapons, you see. I'm sure some far-left and far-right revolutionary groups would rear their ugly heads, but they'd be outnumbered enough by literally everybody else that I'm sure we'd, at worst, lose some small counties to them during the war.

[The V O I D]

BTW, for those who didn't get it, my post was pointing out that betting on the conservatives/right-wing has not worked well in the past in certain situations.

And yes, back then, in almost all scenarios, the conservatives/right-wing had more guns and such.

[Washington Resistance Army]

BTW, for those who didn't get it, my post was pointing out that betting on the conservatives/right-wing has not worked well in the past in certain situations.

And yes, back then, in almost all scenarios, the conservatives/right-wing had more guns and such.

Tbqh the only example in your post that actually works is the one about the Russian Revolution.

[The Sauganash Union]

Liberals cannibalize themselves as the various self-serving ethnic blocs turn on each other and the whole faction descends into internecine gang warfare. Wealthy white liberals probably leave the country, thus removing the left's intellectual and leadership class. The house of cards collapses.

Conservatives, on the other hand, just hole up in their neighborhoods and keep outsiders out. They ride this out until the fighting dies down, and then later begin a campaign to clear out the former husks of our great cities from looters.

End result: massive conservative victory.

[Tekeristan]

In any case, the liberal side will at least win the fashion contest due to inevitably having all the gays due to likely increasing amounts of fanaticism on both sides for however long this conflict would stride.

Either way, no one wins. It's the collapse of society and most certainty the end of what would be the United States.

[The V O I D]

BTW, for those who didn't get it, my post was pointing out that betting on the conservatives/right-wing has not worked well in the past in certain situations.

And yes, back then, in almost all scenarios, the conservatives/right-wing had more guns and such.

Tbqh the only example in your post that actually works is the one about the Russian Revolution.

Not really. Loyalists in the American Revolution were conservative.

Confederates thought they could win, and they were conservative.

I concede the central powers could be conservative or not depending on personal views.

Nazis and right-wingers and most of Europe thought the right-wing ideologies would win until America brought in FREEDOM.

[Ifreann]

Liberals cannibalize themselves as the various self-serving ethnic blocs turn on each other and the whole faction descends into internecine gang warfare. Wealthy white liberals probably leave the country, thus removing the left's intellectual and leadership class. The house of cards collapses.

Conservatives, on the other hand, just hole up in their neighborhoods and keep outsiders out. They ride this out until the fighting dies down, and then later begin a campaign to clear out the former husks of our great cities from looters.

End result: massive conservative victory.

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.

[Vectrova]

Tbqh the only example in your post that actually works is the one about the Russian Revolution.

Not really. Loyalists in the American Revolution were conservative.

Confederates thought they could win, and they were conservative.

I concede the central powers could be conservative or not depending on personal views.

Nazis and right-wingers and most of Europe thought the right-wing ideologies would win until America brought in FREEDOM.

conflating a brand of politics explicitly called "third way" as conservative is hilarious

the confederates were libertarian, not right-wing

the loyalists in the american revolution were nationalists, not right-wing.

Try again.