What if a liberal vs conservative civil war broke out in USA

[Montchevre]

Sounds quite ridiculous. The conflicts possible between Liberals and Conservatives are verbal assaults and spit-spatting.

That seems most accurate to me. There will never be more than a fringe willing to attack the Republic itself on either side of the aisle.

[Montchevre]

Sounds quite ridiculous. The conflicts possible between Liberals and Conservatives are verbal assaults and spit-spatting.

That seems most accurate to me. There will never be more than a fringe willing to attack the Republic itself on either side of the aisle.

[Sareva]

I would also bet that there are far more Navy SEALs, Delta Force operators, and Green Beretts who are right wing conservatives than liberals...

that could prove decisive too; especially as we all know that one lumberjack ex-Navy SEAL could probably by himself take down dozens of enemies...

That's not quite how it works.

something something "leftist" understanding of military functions.

[Montchevre]

That's not quite how it works.

something something "leftist" understanding of military functions.

To be fair, I don't know about the 2016 election, but in 2012 more soldiers voted for Obama than Romney. Also, it kind of seems that many brilliant commanders in history were to the left of their country or time period's spectrum: Rommel, Napoleon, Trotsky (not the best commander, but considering he learned it from a few books in a week of reading, pretty impressive), Hindenburg, Gustavus Adolphus, etc.

[The Lone Alliance]

If the Conservatives don't even bother making an attempt on the cities and the megalopolises, then these Liberal-controlled areas will be just fine.

Limited power, limited food supplies, access in and out of the city difficult?

Yeah I can see that ending wonderfully.

It might not end up being Post Katrina New Orleans bad but after a week, things aren't going to be 'fine'.

[Torrocca]

If the Conservatives don't even bother making an attempt on the cities and the megalopolises, then these Liberal-controlled areas will be just fine.

Limited power, limited food supplies, access in and out of the city difficult?

Yeah I can see that ending wonderfully.

It might not end up being Post Katrina New Orleans bad but after a week, things aren't going to be 'fine'.

That might be true for maybe one city, if the Conservatives besiege cities. One.

American cities are far too big and populated for any American Conservative force to properly besiege any more than one of them.

[Montchevre]

If the Conservatives don't even bother making an attempt on the cities and the megalopolises, then these Liberal-controlled areas will be just fine.

Limited power, limited food supplies, access in and out of the city difficult?

Yeah I can see that ending wonderfully.

It might not end up being Post Katrina New Orleans bad but after a week, things aren't going to be 'fine'.

If this is a real conflict, there would be a unified populace that would seize at least some frontier needed for food or power production, just like the Paris Commune did. Plus, most major cities can easily access power sources or international trade, and they would be more able to pay for it given their control of banks, the treasury, most industry, and most valuable technology and service production.

[Outer Sparta]

What do you mean 'what if'.

This has already happened. In the 19th century.

Well, was the South the conservatives and the North the liberals?

[The Lone Alliance]

Limited power, limited food supplies, access in and out of the city difficult?

Yeah I can see that ending wonderfully.

It might not end up being Post Katrina New Orleans bad but after a week, things aren't going to be 'fine'.

That might be true for maybe one city, if the Conservatives besiege cities. One.

American cities are far too big and populated for any American Conservative force to properly besiege any more than one of them.

I'm not talking about besieging cities.

If conservatives damage power lines in enough places, the city isn't getting power period, many power plants are in rural conservative areas, destroy the high tension power lines and the city is without power for some time. That alone will cause great suffering for the liberal parts of the country. How will liberals repair the power lines if said power lines are in conservative areas, now they're the ones invading conservative territory.

And if the conservatives are spiteful enough to wreck the power plants then everyone is screwed.

If this is a real conflict, there would be a unified populace that would seize at least some frontier needed for food or power production, just like the Paris Commune did. Plus, most major cities can easily access power sources or international trade, and they would be more able to pay for it given their control of banks, the treasury, most industry, and most valuable technology and service production.

Why do you assume the population would unify into a commune?

[Torrocca]

That might be true for maybe one city, if the Conservatives besiege cities. One.

American cities are far too big and populated for any American Conservative force to properly besiege any more than one of them.

I'm not talking about besieging cities.

If conservatives damage power lines in enough places, the city isn't getting power period, many power plants are in rural conservative areas, destroy the high tension power lines and the city is without power for some time. That alone will cause great suffering for the liberal parts of the country. How will liberals repair the power lines if said power lines are in conservative areas, now they're the ones invading conservative territory.

And if the conservatives are spiteful enough to wreck the power plants then everyone is screwed.

If this is a real conflict, there would be a unified populace that would seize at least some frontier needed for food or power production, just like the Paris Commune did. Plus, most major cities can easily access power sources or international trade, and they would be more able to pay for it given their control of banks, the treasury, most industry, and most valuable technology and service production.

Why do you assume the population would unify into a commune?

The Liberals could easily send conscripts out to protect those power plants.

[Ifreann]

In this kinda silly scenario the conservatives and right wingers probably win.

Yeah. They've got too many Sam Fisher/Joel (from Last of Us) types.

Fictional types?

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Surprise twist, if you may.


A resurgent Mexican military coupled with Mexican Nationalism and Las unidades penales federales (forgive my butchered internet Spanish) becomes a third contender in the tragic American National War. I'm fully willing to write this up.

Canada, with british support, moves to reassert their older claims on Washington and northern maine

Return the colonies to Her Majesty.

[Oldenfranck]

The conservatives. God that would be the most terrible thing to happen to our country in our history...

[Sareva]

The conservatives. God that would be the most terrible thing to happen to our country in our history...

No, I would personally believe that not to be the case, but sure, conservatives are all evul and stuff.

[The Lone Alliance]

The Liberals could easily send conscripts out to protect those power plants.

Untrained conscripts are you solution?
That worked out so well in Chechnya.

And again that doesn't solve the problem of destroyed power lines... you can't just find replacement high tension power poles lying around anywhere, that requires specialized equipment.

[Gauthier]

Yep, conservatives still gloating about Whack-A-Hippy.

[Thermodolia]

Yep, conservatives still gloating about Whack-A-Hippy.

Can't you let this just die.

[Thermodolia]

Surprise twist, if you may.


A resurgent Mexican military coupled with Mexican Nationalism and Las unidades penales federales (forgive my butchered internet Spanish) becomes a third contender in the tragic American National War. I'm fully willing to write this up.

No the surprise twist is the US military and moderates backing Mattis and making him Mattis the I, emperor of North American

[Gauthier]

Yep, conservatives still gloating about Whack-A-Hippy.

Can't you let this just die.

You think I'm the one that kept this going for 21 pages?

[Thermodolia]

Can't you let this just die.

You think I'm the one that kept this going for 21 pages?

No. But not posting in it will help

[Neo Balka]

I would also bet that there are far more Navy SEALs, Delta Force operators, and Green Beretts who are right wing conservatives than liberals...

that could prove decisive too; especially as we all know that one lumberjack ex-Navy SEAL could probably by himself take down dozens of enemies...

That'd barely affect the big picture. The fact of the matter is, with Liberals dominating the cities, the Conservatives won't have a shot - they'll be forced to wage an offensive war in this Civil War, because the coastal cities could just sit back and do absolutely nothing, and then they'd get taken out during attempts to besiege any one city, because they wouldn't have the manpower whatsoever to besiege every single Liberal city at once.

Thank god for force multipliers then.

[Torrocca]

You think I'm the one that kept this going for 21 pages?

No. But not posting in it will help

but the pointless debating here is fun

[Neo Balka]

Yep, conservatives still gloating about Whack-A-Hippy.

i was the happiest 3 year old in the county.

[Gauthier]

Yep, conservatives still gloating about Whack-A-Hippy.

i was the happiest 3 year old in the county.

3 years old and able to shitpost online. What a talent.

[Neo Balka]

i was the happiest 3 year old in the county.

3 years old and able to shitpost online. What a talent.

Nah, but that was the age where i was given my first air gun.

[The Lone Alliance]

No. But not posting in it will help

but the pointless debating here is fun

I find the more pointless debating the less likely it'll actually happen. And that's a good thing.