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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 04, 2017 7:37 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It would be much preferable to hundreds of thousands killed in the womb a year.


Overcrowding is much more painful to live in then being aborted.

I'll be sure to remind every prisoner in the country that they should be shot then.

For their own comfort, of course.

This is a stupid argument.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 7:38 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:oooooo we could be like Romania under Ceausescu and have millions of children being raised in orphanages. THAT'LL show freedom whats what!

Well orphanages aren't necessarily bad


Erm. State housing and other services are pretty bad in general. State doesn't want to spend the money, and so these facilities are often understaffed or of poor quality.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 04, 2017 7:38 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:If I had a spouse and a job, I would adopt, certainly.


And what of your colleagues? For a group so adamant about defining what the 'good' citizen it -- you've not done well in example.

Many people I know have adopted, and the Church runs thousands of orphanages throughout the world.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu May 04, 2017 7:39 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Overcrowding is much more painful to live in then being aborted.

I'll be sure to remind every prisoner in the country that they should be shot then.

For their own comfort, of course.

This is a stupid argument.

I don't see any connection between the two statements, but I'm not going to question.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 7:39 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Overcrowding is much more painful to live in then being aborted.

I'll be sure to remind every prisoner in the country that they should be shot then.

For their own comfort, of course.

This is a stupid argument.


Don't bang your noggin on that slipper slope of yours.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 04, 2017 7:39 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well orphanages aren't necessarily bad


Erm. State housing and other services are pretty bad in general. State doesn't want to spend the money, and so these facilities are often understaffed or of poor quality.

Well we were understaffed, I can admit that
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 7:39 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
And what of your colleagues? For a group so adamant about defining what the 'good' citizen it -- you've not done well in example.

Many people I know have adopted, and the Church runs thousands of orphanages throughout the world.


And yet we still have a major orphan issue. Truly, you've done well in solving the issue. (General 'you')

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 04, 2017 7:40 am

Proctopeo wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'll be sure to remind every prisoner in the country that they should be shot then.

For their own comfort, of course.

This is a stupid argument.

I don't see any connection between the two statements, but I'm not going to question.

If overcrowding is worse than being killed, then it naturally follows.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu May 04, 2017 7:40 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I don't see any connection between the two statements, but I'm not going to question.

If overcrowding is worse than being killed, then it naturally follows.

This rides on what one defines "murder" as, and so is subjective.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 04, 2017 7:40 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Many people I know have adopted, and the Church runs thousands of orphanages throughout the world.


And yet we still have a major orphan issue. Truly, you've done well in solving the issue. (General 'you')

So, then, why is the solution to kill the future orphans?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 04, 2017 7:40 am

Ugh I can't talk about abortion
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu May 04, 2017 7:42 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
As I was saying, if Catholics get that right to deny abortions then all other religions get that right too.

Then beacuse blood transfusions are medically necessary and Jehovah's Witnesses don't like blood transfusions at all, cancer patients among others will be denied the blood transfusions they need to live beacuse of religious reasons.

This is an inherently bad idea.

You just ignored what I said. Medically necessary procedures shouldn't be allowed to be denied under any circumstances. That includes medically necessary abortions and blood transfusions.

Most abortions, though, are NOT medically necessary, but done for the sake of convenience.

catholic hospitals don't even do medically necessary abortions. they went to court to be able to refuse to tell emergency patients where they CAN go to get that necessary abortion.

catholic standards are not fit for modern society.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 7:42 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Erm. State housing and other services are pretty bad in general. State doesn't want to spend the money, and so these facilities are often understaffed or of poor quality.

Well we were understaffed, I can admit that


Here, all of our state run facilities were buildings used for segregation, and have had little renovation since.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 7:44 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
And yet we still have a major orphan issue. Truly, you've done well in solving the issue. (General 'you')

So, then, why is the solution to kill the future orphans?


Well, they're not people for one. Of course, we wouldn't need to perform as many abortions if access to basic contraceptives were available, but the Church has problems with that so in a way, it's their fault to begin with. Maybe the Church should help out and open a few abortions clinics as well.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 04, 2017 7:45 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:So, then, why is the solution to kill the future orphans?


Well, they're not people for one. Of course, we wouldn't need to perform as many abortions if access to basic contraceptives were available, but the Church has problems with that so in a way, it's their fault to begin with. Maybe the Church should help out and open a few abortions clinics as well.

They can't do that.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 04, 2017 7:46 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well we were understaffed, I can admit that


Here, all of our state run facilities were buildings used for segregation, and have had little renovation since.

Mine was integrated, but I think we were catholic
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu May 04, 2017 7:46 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
As I was saying, if Catholics get that right to deny abortions then all other religions get that right too.

Then beacuse blood transfusions are medically necessary and Jehovah's Witnesses don't like blood transfusions at all, cancer patients among others will be denied the blood transfusions they need to live beacuse of religious reasons.

This is an inherently bad idea.

You just ignored what I said. Medically necessary procedures shouldn't be allowed to be denied under any circumstances. That includes medically necessary abortions and blood transfusions.

Most abortions, though, are NOT medically necessary, but done for the sake of convenience.


Some (not all) Jehovah's Witnesses deny Medically necessary procedures for there own children.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 04, 2017 7:47 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Well, they're not people for one. Of course, we wouldn't need to perform as many abortions if access to basic contraceptives were available, but the Church has problems with that so in a way, it's their fault to begin with. Maybe the Church should help out and open a few abortions clinics as well.

They can't do that.

The church has to give some ground, loosen restrictions on birth control then
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 7:47 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Well, they're not people for one. Of course, we wouldn't need to perform as many abortions if access to basic contraceptives were available, but the Church has problems with that so in a way, it's their fault to begin with. Maybe the Church should help out and open a few abortions clinics as well.

They can't do that.


It'd help solve the problem they've contributed to.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 04, 2017 7:48 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:You just ignored what I said. Medically necessary procedures shouldn't be allowed to be denied under any circumstances. That includes medically necessary abortions and blood transfusions.

Most abortions, though, are NOT medically necessary, but done for the sake of convenience.


Some (not all) Jehovah's Witnesses deny Medically necessary procedures for there own children.

And they shouldn't be allowed to do that, just like Catholics shouldn't be able to deny medically necessary abortions.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu May 04, 2017 7:49 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

And they shouldn't be allowed to do that, just like Catholics shouldn't be able to deny medically necessary abortions.

but they do, every day.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu May 04, 2017 7:49 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Overcrowding is much more painful to live in then being aborted.

I'll be sure to remind every prisoner in the country that they should be shot then.

For their own comfort, of course.

This is a stupid argument.


Prison overcrowding is much more easy to fix and has nothing to do with abortions or orphanages.

What a silly counter argument.

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Postby Corrian » Thu May 04, 2017 7:50 am

Why are we discussing abortion again? This is not an abortion thread.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 04, 2017 7:51 am

Corrian wrote:Why are we discussing abortion again? This is not an abortion thread.


Because Trump is doing that executive order and the discussion naturally popped up.
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