Trump MAGAthread VI

[Vassenor]

So apparently Congress is going to be voting on the next version of the AHCA without having actually read the bill.

[Ifreann]

So the Trump Wall won't be getting built?

only if it can be stalled long enough for him get out of office.

There would be great schadenfreude if Trump left office without building his WALL.

[Ashmoria]

Except that you where talking about electricity a few sentience's ago.

And yes, it the topic you where discussing when Lilinia brought it up.

And as I pointed out, what Lilinia brought up is irrelevant to the argument, because it's a strawman of my position.

My position is that, if you pay for the service provided to someone, you should have the right to withhold funds if they are being used to procure an abortion, on the basis that it is a violation of Catholic canon-law to provide funds for an abortion, and, therefore, forcing someone to provide funds for an abortion to do business discriminates against Catholics.

the employer is never told what the insurance is used for. that is private medical information

[Ashmoria]

only if it can be stalled long enough for him get out of office.

There would be great schadenfreude if Trump left office without building his WALL.

that's an odd spelling of relief

[United Muscovite Nations]

And as I pointed out, what Lilinia brought up is irrelevant to the argument, because it's a strawman of my position.

My position is that, if you pay for the service provided to someone, you should have the right to withhold funds if they are being used to procure an abortion, on the basis that it is a violation of Catholic canon-law to provide funds for an abortion, and, therefore, forcing someone to provide funds for an abortion to do business discriminates against Catholics.

If it was, then did you go along with it?

If you were the one paying for my electricity, yes.

Secondly, that would also mean if some one was a Jehovah witness, should they be allowed to withhold funds for a blood transfusion?

Or should a Scientologist not pay for psychiatric care for a depressed person?

If Catholics can deny abortion, then other groups that, if you like them or not, count as religions in the eyes of the US government can deny those things too.

Unless they are medically necessary, then, yes, they should be allowed to deny those funds.

[Ashmoria]

So apparently Congress is going to be voting on the next version of the AHCA without having actually read the bill.

I wonder if their supporters will freak out when it turns out that THIS version gets a much worse review from the CBO than the last one did.

[Ifreann]

There would be great schadenfreude if Trump left office without building his WALL.

that's an odd spelling of relief

It's German. *nods*

[Corrian]

So apparently Congress is going to be voting on the next version of the AHCA without having actually read the bill.

SIIIIIGH. Does the stupidity ever stop?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If it was, then did you go along with it?



Secondly, that would also mean if some one was a Jehovah witness, should they be allowed to withhold funds for a blood transfusion?

Or should a Scientologist not pay for psychiatric care for a depressed person?

If Catholics can deny abortion, then other groups that, if you like them or not, count as religions in the eyes of the US government can deny those things too.

Unless they are medically necessary, then, yes, they should be allowed to deny those funds.

I don't know of a time when a blood transfusion is not medically necessary.

I'd argue that psychiatric care for depressed people is medically necessary should thoughts of suicide happen.

But, sense most of the time these things are medically necessary, they would still be denying them for no reason other then "My religion says no."

That can lead to a headline of "blood transfusion to cancer patient denied beacuse employer didn't want to pay for it."

[Vassenor]

Still don't get why people are so desperate to bin the Separation of Church and State really.

America should not be a theocracy.

[Ashmoria]

Still don't get why people are so desperate to bin the Separation of Church and State really.

America should not be a theocracy.

they use arguments that work. if its "but my religion" that works, they use that.

after all hobbylobby covered contraception before Obamacare forced them to.

[Senkaku]

Still don't get why people are so desperate to bin the Separation of Church and State really.

America should not be a theocracy.

I'm guessing UMN probably watched the new Handmaid's Tale series on Hulu and got all hard for Gilead or something.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Still don't get why people are so desperate to bin the Separation of Church and State really.

America should not be a theocracy.

There planing on doing that?

What?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Still don't get why people are so desperate to bin the Separation of Church and State really.

America should not be a theocracy.

There planing on doing that?

What?

Nobody is planning on doing that.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

There planing on doing that?

What?

Nobody is planning on doing that.

Ok then, never mind.

[Calladan]

Nobody is planning on doing that.

Ok then, never mind.

So what does this incredibly divisive executive order do then? If not enshrine religious bigotry into law?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ok then, never mind.

So what does this incredibly divisive executive order do then? If not enshrine religious bigotry into law?

It allows people to choose who they serve, which I don't have a whole ton of issue with myself. Though I do recognize the problems that could cause.

Yay for being in the middle and not caring either way.

[Ashmoria]

Ok then, never mind.

So what does this incredibly divisive executive order do then? If not enshrine religious bigotry into law?

it enshrines religious bigotry into law. sort of.

but that doesn't mean a theocracy. we used to have many more religion based laws than this.

[Lady Scylla]

So what does this incredibly divisive executive order do then? If not enshrine religious bigotry into law?

It allows people to choose who they serve, which I don't have a whole ton of issue with myself. Though I do recognize the problems that could cause.

Yay for being in the middle and not caring either way.

Hopefully it gets struck down.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Unless they are medically necessary, then, yes, they should be allowed to deny those funds.

I don't know of a time when a blood transfusion is not medically necessary.

I'd argue that psychiatric care for depressed people is medically necessary should thoughts of suicide happen.

But, sense most of the time these things are medically necessary, they would still be denying them for no reason other then "My religion says no."

That can lead to a headline of "blood transfusion to cancer patient denied beacuse employer didn't want to pay for it."

Most abortions are not medically necessary; however, they are elective.

[Calladan]

So what does this incredibly divisive executive order do then? If not enshrine religious bigotry into law?

It allows people to choose who they serve, which I don't have a whole ton of issue with myself. Though I do recognize the problems that could cause.

Yay for being in the middle and not caring either way.

But does it extend to members of local, state and the federal government(s)?

[Gauthier]

only if it can be stalled long enough for him get out of office.

There would be great schadenfreude if Trump left office without building his WALL.

Even more if he was FIRED by impeachment or the 25th Amendment.

[Lady Scylla]

I don't know of a time when a blood transfusion is not medically necessary.

I'd argue that psychiatric care for depressed people is medically necessary should thoughts of suicide happen.

But, sense most of the time these things are medically necessary, they would still be denying them for no reason other then "My religion says no."

That can lead to a headline of "blood transfusion to cancer patient denied beacuse employer didn't want to pay for it."

Most abortions are not medically necessary; however, they are elective.

Clearly the Church is anti-freedom.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It allows people to choose who they serve, which I don't have a whole ton of issue with myself. Though I do recognize the problems that could cause.

Yay for being in the middle and not caring either way.

But does it extend to members of local, state and the federal government(s)?

Can I choose not to serve my president?

[Ashmoria]

Most abortions are not medically necessary; however, they are elective.

Clearly the Church is anti-freedom.

of course it is.

you are supposed to submit to the will of god (as interpreted by the church)