Trump MAGAthread VI

[United Muscovite Nations]

We're not talking about taxes, we're talking about employers paying for their employees to receive abortions, and that would violate the faith of many people.

The people aren't paying for anything: the company (which isn't human, and doesn't have religious beliefs) is.

And if the company is owned by a single person?

[Valgora]

The people aren't paying for anything: the company (which isn't human, and doesn't have religious beliefs) is.

And if the company is owned by a single person?

It's still a company; however, a company owned by a single person isn't really going to have many employees. And I think the rules mainly applied to companies with a certain amount or higher. I think the rules were different for smaller companies.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I just looked it up and being on the Autism spectrum counts as a pre-existing condition in some states. Fuck.

Holy shit.

What the fuck are these states thinking. As a person on the spectrum, I say that what they are doing is fucking horse shit.

[United Muscovite Nations]

If you were the one paying for my electricity, yes.

No, no... Nobody's paying for your electricity, including you, because I, the electricity provider, am refusing you service due to deeply held religious convictions.
I firmly believe that me providing you electrical power, to do whatever you do with it, is morally equivalent to murder.
You get no electricity, period, so I and my company are not contributing to your ability to do those things.

Except that's not the situation we're discussing. The situation we're discussing is one where the person paying your health insurance has to provide you with abortion services.

[AiliailiA]

I just looked it up and being on the Autism spectrum counts as a pre-existing condition in some states. Fuck.

Holy shit.

What the fuck are these states thinking. As a person on the spectrum, I say that what they are doing is fucking horse shit.

Do you too have it all ass-about? Having your condition considered a 'pre-existing condition' is a good thing. That means insurers can't charge you more or refuse you coverage because of that condition.

If the MacArthur amendment is in the AHCA, and that passes House and Senate, then individual states with HHS permission will be able to take autism off the list, allowing insurers to charge you more knowing you have it.

That still might not be a problem for you, if you live in a state like CA that isn't ever going to do that. You live in ... Canada?

[WhatsamattaU]

Good God! I don't recall this much hand ringing and teeth gnashing for Obama, or even Bush (43)!

The world wide web was in it's infancy, but I do recall this much hatred for Reagan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmH1xQ2Pf4

[Luminesa]

Good God! I don't recall this much hand ringing and teeth gnashing for Obama, or even Bush (43)!

The world wide web was in it's infancy, but I do recall this much hatred for Reagan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmH1xQ2Pf4

*Reagan watches the video while eating jellybeans.*

[Hittanryan]

Remember that supposed lobbying ban that would allegedly "drain the swamp"? As I suspected it's got more holes than a screen door. A number of members of the Trump transition team are going to work as lobbyists, thanks to loopholes and the fact that there was no enforcement mechanism in the order.

The takeaway, if you haven't reached this conclusion already, is that Trump's word is worthless. Now that we've got another healthcare debate on our hands, keep in mind he also promised that "no one would lose their healthcare." You all should be able to infer what will happen now.

[Aromanticism]

Remember that supposed lobbying ban that would allegedly "drain the swamp"? As I suspected it's got more holes than a screen door. A number of members of the Trump transition team are going to work as lobbyists, thanks to loopholes and the fact that there was no enforcement mechanism in the order.

The takeaway, if you haven't reached this conclusion already, is that Trump's word is worthless. Now that we've got another healthcare debate on our hands, keep in mind he also promised that "no one would lose their healthcare." You all should be able to infer what will happen now.

I was gonna say, you mean it wasn't already? XD

[Ashmoria]

What the actual Fuck? Sexual assault, C-sections and Domestic violence count as pre-existing conditions.

pre-existing conditions are what the insurance companies say they are. don't you remember the case of the guy who had bad acne as a teen and because he didn't disclose that on his insurance application they cancelled his policy just when he really needed it?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Holy shit.

What the fuck are these states thinking. As a person on the spectrum, I say that what they are doing is fucking horse shit.

Do you too have it all ass-about? Having your condition considered a 'pre-existing condition' is a good thing. That means insurers can't charge you more or refuse you coverage because of that condition.

If the MacArthur amendment is in the AHCA, and that passes House and Senate, then individual states with HHS permission will be able to take autism off the list, allowing insurers to charge you more knowing you have it.

That still might not be a problem for you, if you live in a state like CA that isn't ever going to do that. You live in ... Canada?

What?

No, it means they they don't cover you for medication or pills for your autism.

[Ashmoria]

Good God! I don't recall this much hand ringing and teeth gnashing for Obama, or even Bush (43)!

The world wide web was in it's infancy, but I do recall this much hatred for Reagan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmH1xQ2Pf4

they at least knew something of governance and were in it for helping the country (my disagreeing with their policies doesn't matter) not in order to squeeze money out of government and into their pockets without even trying to understand policies and the content of things they signed.

trump is just fucking scary in a way that "president from the other party" isn't.

[Ifreann]

No, no... Nobody's paying for your electricity, including you, because I, the electricity provider, am refusing you service due to deeply held religious convictions.
I firmly believe that me providing you electrical power, to do whatever you do with it, is morally equivalent to murder.
You get no electricity, period, so I and my company are not contributing to your ability to do those things.

Except that's not the situation we're discussing. The situation we're discussing is one where the person paying your health insurance has to provide you with abortion services.

Is that how it works in the US? Employers have to terminate pregnancies for their employees? Do women not get abortions from, like, medical professionals?

[Ashmoria]

Except that's not the situation we're discussing. The situation we're discussing is one where the person paying your health insurance has to provide you with abortion services.

Is that how it works in the US? Employers have to terminate pregnancies for their employees? Do women not get abortions from, like, medical professionals?

nooooo

its all done in a corner of the break room in full view of everyone.

[Ifreann]

Is that how it works in the US? Employers have to terminate pregnancies for their employees? Do women not get abortions from, like, medical professionals?

nooooo

its all done in a corner of the break room in full view of everyone.

I hope the cleaners get more than minimum wage.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Except that's not the situation we're discussing. The situation we're discussing is one where the person paying your health insurance has to provide you with abortion services.

Is that how it works in the US? Employers have to terminate pregnancies for their employees? Do women not get abortions from, like, medical professionals?

The employer has to pay for it.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

So the Trump Wall won't be getting built?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No, no... Nobody's paying for your electricity, including you, because I, the electricity provider, am refusing you service due to deeply held religious convictions.
I firmly believe that me providing you electrical power, to do whatever you do with it, is morally equivalent to murder.
You get no electricity, period, so I and my company are not contributing to your ability to do those things.

Except that's not the situation we're discussing. The situation we're discussing is one where the person paying your health insurance has to provide you with abortion services.

Except that you where talking about electricity a few sentience's ago.

And yes, it the topic you where discussing when Lilinia brought it up.

1) Catholics consider it to be actual murder.

Moreover, I would say that forcing people to break their religious codes to run a business is a form of discrimination, by virtue of that it would make people who hold their religious views to be important unable to open a business that employs people.

Let's imagine for a moment that I had the firmly held religious belief that you receiving electrical service in your home was also 'actual murder'.
Would you find it reasonable for me to deprive you of electricity due to my belief?

[Corrian]

So the Trump Wall won't be getting built?

At least for now.

[Ifreann]

Is that how it works in the US? Employers have to terminate pregnancies for their employees? Do women not get abortions from, like, medical professionals?

The employer has to pay for it.

What's the point of having insurance, then?

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So the Trump Wall won't be getting built?

Signs point to "No".

[United Muscovite Nations]

Except that's not the situation we're discussing. The situation we're discussing is one where the person paying your health insurance has to provide you with abortion services.

Except that you where talking about electricity a few sentience's ago.

And yes, it the topic you where discussing when Lilinia brought it up.

Let's imagine for a moment that I had the firmly held religious belief that you receiving electrical service in your home was also 'actual murder'.
Would you find it reasonable for me to deprive you of electricity due to my belief?

And as I pointed out, what Lilinia brought up is irrelevant to the argument, because it's a strawman of my position.

My position is that, if you pay for the service provided to someone, you should have the right to withhold funds if they are being used to procure an abortion, on the basis that it is a violation of Catholic canon-law to provide funds for an abortion, and, therefore, forcing someone to provide funds for an abortion to do business discriminates against Catholics.

[Ifreann]

Except that you where talking about electricity a few sentience's ago.

And yes, it the topic you where discussing when Lilinia brought it up.

And as I pointed out, what Lilinia brought up is irrelevant to the argument, because it's a strawman of my position.

My position is that, if you pay for the service provided to someone, you should have the right to withhold funds if they are being used to procure an abortion, on the basis that it is a violation of Catholic canon-law to provide funds for an abortion, and, therefore, forcing someone to provide funds for an abortion to do business discriminates against Catholics.

Or how about they give money to an insurance company and then that insurance company pays for the abortion.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Except that you where talking about electricity a few sentience's ago.

And yes, it the topic you where discussing when Lilinia brought it up.

And as I pointed out, what Lilinia brought up is irrelevant to the argument, because it's a strawman of my position.

My position is that, if you pay for the service provided to someone, you should have the right to withhold funds if they are being used to procure an abortion, on the basis that it is a violation of Catholic canon-law to provide funds for an abortion, and, therefore, forcing someone to provide funds for an abortion to do business discriminates against Catholics.

If it was, then did you go along with it?

Let's imagine for a moment that I had the firmly held religious belief that you receiving electrical service in your home was also 'actual murder'.
Would you find it reasonable for me to deprive you of electricity due to my belief?

If you were the one paying for my electricity, yes.

Secondly, that would also mean if some one was a Jehovah witness, should they be allowed to withhold funds for a blood transfusion?

Or should a Scientologist not pay for psychiatric care for a depressed person?

If Catholics can deny abortion, then other groups that, if you like them or not, count as religions in the eyes of the US government can deny those things too.

[Ashmoria]

nooooo

its all done in a corner of the break room in full view of everyone.

I hope the cleaners get more than minimum wage.

no way.

[Ashmoria]

So the Trump Wall won't be getting built?

only if it can be stalled long enough for him get out of office.