Trump MAGAthread VI

[Galloism]

Exactly, but once I've paid it to them, it's theirs. It's not my concern how my employee spends their money, just as it's not my concern how they use their insurance - part of their compensation package.

Exactly. If the boss doesn't want us to know how he spends his compensation, the same applies to him.

More to the point, if you can compensate someone and then make demands how they spend it, I suggest we apply that to corporations.

Every time I buy a gallon of milk at Walmart, I'm specifying they must spend it on space exploration. My religion demands space exploration as a priority.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I'm really lost right now, can somebody please explain

[Maichuko]

What the actual Fuck? Sexual assault, C-sections and Domestic violence count as pre-existing conditions in the GOP bill.

Eh? Source please.....

https://mic.com/articles/176092/under-t ... .UmKIlYKSB

[AiliailiA]

What the actual Fuck? Sexual assault, C-sections and Domestic violence count as pre-existing conditions in the GOP bill.

Um, what's the problem? Those things probably all mean higher insurance risk, which the insurers would set higher premiums for if they knew about them.

But even if they don't mean higher risk, what problem is there with protecting people against premium discrimination ... which wasn't going to happen?

[Liriena]

What the actual Fuck? Sexual assault, C-sections and Domestic violence count as pre-existing conditions in the GOP bill.

...seriously?

[Farnhamia]

Exactly. If the boss doesn't want us to know how he spends his compensation, the same applies to him.

More to the point, if you can compensate someone and then make demands how they spend it, I suggest we apply that to corporations.

Every time I buy a gallon of milk at Walmart, I'm specifying they must spend it on space exploration. My religion demands space exploration as a priority.

Yeah, but Walmart will just put a gigantic sign on the moon that we'll be treated to every night.

Eh? Source please.....

https://mic.com/articles/176092/under-t ... .UmKIlYKSB

Is that legitimate sexual assault?

[Galloism]

More to the point, if you can compensate someone and then make demands how they spend it, I suggest we apply that to corporations.

Every time I buy a gallon of milk at Walmart, I'm specifying they must spend it on space exploration. My religion demands space exploration as a priority.

Yeah, but Walmart will just put a gigantic sign on the moon that we'll be treated to every night.

....

I'll work on a more specific religion.

[The Black Forrest]

More to the point, if you can compensate someone and then make demands how they spend it, I suggest we apply that to corporations.

Every time I buy a gallon of milk at Walmart, I'm specifying they must spend it on space exploration. My religion demands space exploration as a priority.

Yeah, but Walmart will just put a gigantic sign on the moon that we'll be treated to every night.

Not if signs are against my religion!

My religion also believes that use of a hooker means having to pay for cleaning water sources. Congress alone would clean the water ways of the US.

[Northern Davincia]

Earlier I asked for the data on the potential for 'local monopolies' seeking to discriminate. We have no reason to assume that they are all closeted bigots just waiting for something to change.

Earlier you suggested that only a select few would discriminate, given the opportunity. When asked you revised that to only major service providers. I seems to me that you think that substantial numbers of other businesses will discriminate.

It was my presumption that local monopolies and major service providers were one and the same.

Do you have a right to threesomes?

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

So... Yeah, kinda.

Heh.

[AiliailiA]

Exactly. If the boss doesn't want us to know how he spends his compensation, the same applies to him.

More to the point, if you can compensate someone and then make demands how they spend it, I suggest we apply that to corporations.

Every time I buy a gallon of milk at Walmart, I'm specifying they must spend it on space exploration. My religion demands space exploration as a priority.

I see a problem with that: where are Walmart going to get the milk? There are no cows in space.

[Farnhamia]

More to the point, if you can compensate someone and then make demands how they spend it, I suggest we apply that to corporations.

Every time I buy a gallon of milk at Walmart, I'm specifying they must spend it on space exploration. My religion demands space exploration as a priority.

I see a problem with that: where are Walmart going to get the milk? There are no cows in space.

There are no cows in space now. Besides, how do you know? I know of one cow that jumped over the moon.

[Luminesa]

I see a problem with that: where are Walmart going to get the milk? There are no cows in space.

There are no cows in space now. Besides, how do you know? I know of one cow that jumped over the moon.

While doing some sick kick-flips.

[Luminesa]

What the actual Fuck? Sexual assault, C-sections and Domestic violence count as pre-existing conditions.

> C-section.
> Pre-existing condition.

Well, good to know my birth caused a pre-existing condition for my mom. >.<

[Ifreann]

Earlier you suggested that only a select few would discriminate, given the opportunity. When asked you revised that to only major service providers. I seems to me that you think that substantial numbers of other businesses will discriminate.

It was my presumption that local monopolies and major service providers were one and the same.

Well for all I know you mean "plumbers and nothing else" by "major service providers".

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More to the point, if you can compensate someone and then make demands how they spend it, I suggest we apply that to corporations.

Every time I buy a gallon of milk at Walmart, I'm specifying they must spend it on space exploration. My religion demands space exploration as a priority.

I see a problem with that: where are Walmart going to get the milk? There are no cows in space.

Nonsense. Space is full of spherical cows.

[Minzerland II]

Eh? Source please.....

https://mic.com/articles/176092/under-t ... .UmKIlYKSB

Can you provide anything other than Mic?

[AiliailiA]

What the actual Fuck? Sexual assault, C-sections and Domestic violence count as pre-existing conditions in the GOP bill.

...seriously?

If you have two people identical in every way, but A is known to have been sexually assaulted and B is known not to have been, wouldn't you expect A to have higher medical bills than B in the future?

Even if not, certainly for domestic violence. Someone who's been assaulted by their partner before is more likely to be assaulted than someone who hasn't (or at least, isn't known to have been). Assault has medical costs, for treatment physical and psychiatric, so ...

Then there's C-sections. Having had one, a woman is more likely to need another one if she wants to give birth again. The operation itself is going to cost more than a vaginal delivery.

But even if none of those ARE legitimate pre-existing conditions, what is the problem? Prohibiting an insurer from bumping premiums or refusing to insure ... is bad, how?

[AiliailiA]

https://mic.com/articles/176092/under-t ... .UmKIlYKSB

Can you provide anything other than Mic?

Yeah. I started enabling scripts one by one to try to get it to display the text, but it just cascaded to more and more scripts. Sites that do that shit don't get my eyeballs.

Maybe someone could copy/paste the text?

[Sane Outcasts]

Can you provide anything other than Mic?

Yeah. I started enabling scripts one by one to try to get it to display the text, but it just cascaded to more and more scripts. Sites that do that shit don't get my eyeballs.

Maybe someone could copy/paste the text?

Sure thing.

After failing to bring their Affordable Care Act replacement to a vote in March, GOP legislators have come armed with a new health care plan that may be even more heartless than their last.

According to Raw Story, the bill's recently added MacArthur Meadows Amendment would ditch the ACA's protections for preexisting conditions — sexual assault being one of them.

Under the amendment, states would have the all-clear to waive the ban preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to patients based on preexisting conditions. That means companies can also deny preventive health care services, like mammograms and gynecological exams, to these patients, which sexual assault survivors in particular rely on following an attack.

In 2010, before the ACA became law, the Huffington Post reported the story of Christina Turner, a 45-year-old woman who had been turned away by her insurance company because she'd been raped.

After being drugged and sexually assaulted, Turner's doctor prescribed her a month's worth of anti-AIDS medication, just in case. Though it turned out Turner hadn't been infected with the virus after all, when a prospective insurer saw the prescription on her health record, the company said it wouldn't cover her until — "in three or more years" — she proved she was still AIDS-free.

It's not just sexual assault that would be considered a preexisting condition under the GOP's plan.

Other gender-based conditions like postpartum depression, being a survivor of domestic violence or having gotten a C-section are also considered preexisting conditions.

"Most of the people who have C-sections identify as women, so that's a shorthand for a gender discriminatory policy," Physicians for Reproductive Health advocacy fellow Dr. Diane Horvath-Cosper told Elle.

Yet, somehow, the language of the MacArthur Meadows Amendment itself denies that any of its measures are discriminatory. "Nothing in this Act shall be construed as permitting health insurance issuers to discriminate in rates for health insurance coverage by gender," the amendment reads, maintaining it doesn't actually "limit access to health coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions."

Horvath-Casper begs to differ.

"I see the benefits of ACA every single day," she told Elle. "I saw patients in my practice who had not been able to get health insurance for five, 10 years finally come in and get care because they could finally afford the premiums, or get maternity coverage."

She added, "A majority of people who get pregnant identify as women, so that's gender discrimination, straight up."

[Ism]

Can you provide anything other than Mic?

Yeah. I started enabling scripts one by one to try to get it to display the text, but it just cascaded to more and more scripts. Sites that do that shit don't get my eyeballs.

Maybe someone could copy/paste the text?

After failing to bring their Affordable Care Act replacement to a vote in March, GOP legislators have come armed with a new health care plan that may be even more heartless than their last.

According to Raw Story, the bill's recently added MacArthur Meadows Amendment would ditch the ACA's protections for preexisting conditions — sexual assault being one of them.

Under the amendment, states would have the all-clear to waive the ban preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to patients based on preexisting conditions. That means companies can also deny preventive health care services, like mammograms and gynecological exams, to these patients, which sexual assault survivors in particular rely on following an attack.

In 2010, before the ACA became law, the Huffington Post reported the story of Christina Turner, a 45-year-old woman who had been turned away by her insurance company because she'd been raped.

After being drugged and sexually assaulted, Turner's doctor prescribed her a month's worth of anti-AIDS medication, just in case. Though it turned out Turner hadn't been infected with the virus after all, when a prospective insurer saw the prescription on her health record, the company said it wouldn't cover her until — "in three or more years" — she proved she was still AIDS-free.


House Speaker Paul Ryan explained the GOP's initial health care legislation at a March 13 news conference.Source: J. Scott Applewhite/AP
It's not just sexual assault that would be considered a preexisting condition under the GOP's plan.

Other gender-based conditions like postpartum depression, being a survivor of domestic violence or having gotten a C-section are also considered preexisting conditions.

"Most of the people who have C-sections identify as women, so that's a shorthand for a gender discriminatory policy," Physicians for Reproductive Health advocacy fellow Dr. Diane Horvath-Cosper told Elle.

Yet, somehow, the language of the MacArthur Meadows Amendment itself denies that any of its measures are discriminatory. "Nothing in this Act shall be construed as permitting health insurance issuers to discriminate in rates for health insurance coverage by gender," the amendment reads, maintaining it doesn't actually "limit access to health coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions."

Horvath-Casper begs to differ.

"I see the benefits of ACA every single day," she told Elle. "I saw patients in my practice who had not been able to get health insurance for five, 10 years finally come in and get care because they could finally afford the premiums, or get maternity coverage."

She added, "A majority of people who get pregnant identify as women, so that's gender discrimination, straight up."

[AiliailiA]

Yeah. I started enabling scripts one by one to try to get it to display the text, but it just cascaded to more and more scripts. Sites that do that shit don't get my eyeballs.

Maybe someone could copy/paste the text?

Sure thing.

After failing to bring their Affordable Care Act replacement to a vote in March, GOP legislators have come armed with a new health care plan that may be even more heartless than their last.

According to Raw Story, the bill's recently added MacArthur Meadows Amendment would ditch the ACA's protections for preexisting conditions — sexual assault being one of them.

Under the amendment, states would have the all-clear to waive the ban preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to patients based on preexisting conditions. That means companies can also deny preventive health care services, like mammograms and gynecological exams, to these patients, which sexual assault survivors in particular rely on following an attack.

In 2010, before the ACA became law, the Huffington Post reported the story of Christina Turner, a 45-year-old woman who had been turned away by her insurance company because she'd been raped.

After being drugged and sexually assaulted, Turner's doctor prescribed her a month's worth of anti-AIDS medication, just in case. Though it turned out Turner hadn't been infected with the virus after all, when a prospective insurer saw the prescription on her health record, the company said it wouldn't cover her until — "in three or more years" — she proved she was still AIDS-free.

It's not just sexual assault that would be considered a preexisting condition under the GOP's plan.

Other gender-based conditions like postpartum depression, being a survivor of domestic violence or having gotten a C-section are also considered preexisting conditions.

"Most of the people who have C-sections identify as women, so that's a shorthand for a gender discriminatory policy," Physicians for Reproductive Health advocacy fellow Dr. Diane Horvath-Cosper told Elle.

Yet, somehow, the language of the MacArthur Meadows Amendment itself denies that any of its measures are discriminatory. "Nothing in this Act shall be construed as permitting health insurance issuers to discriminate in rates for health insurance coverage by gender," the amendment reads, maintaining it doesn't actually "limit access to health coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions."

Horvath-Casper begs to differ.

"I see the benefits of ACA every single day," she told Elle. "I saw patients in my practice who had not been able to get health insurance for five, 10 years finally come in and get care because they could finally afford the premiums, or get maternity coverage."

She added, "A majority of people who get pregnant identify as women, so that's gender discrimination, straight up."

Ah.

So it seems Maichuko got this ass-about from the start and a half dozen posters took M's word for it.

Those 'conditions' are being removed from the list of pre-existing conditions insurers cannot discriminate on the basis of.

Another source. Paragraph 9. Er, para 8 really. Not so much taken off the list, as states allowed to take these conditions off the list. Allowing states to change the "community rating" conditions (the list) would be left to HHS, ie the Administration.

MacArthur Amendment (pdf) from 26th April, most recent version I can find.

[Uxupox]

Middle East is about to get a whole new kind of lit.

[Farnhamia]

Middle East is about to get a whole new kind of lit.

One can never have enough literature.

[Uxupox]

Middle East is about to get a whole new kind of lit.

One can never have enough literature.

I agree.

[Minzerland II]

Can you provide anything other than Mic?

Yeah. I started enabling scripts one by one to try to get it to display the text, but it just cascaded to more and more scripts. Sites that do that shit don't get my eyeballs.

Maybe someone could copy/paste the text?

It's not that I have trouble reading the text, I can, in fact, read it absolutely fine. I just don't believe Mic, a News Network that caters to Millennials, to be a credible source due to its obvious biases. I would rather have something else to accompany it, and to corroborate it.

[AiliailiA]

Yeah. I started enabling scripts one by one to try to get it to display the text, but it just cascaded to more and more scripts. Sites that do that shit don't get my eyeballs.

Maybe someone could copy/paste the text?

It's not that I have trouble reading the text, I can, in fact, read it absolutely fine. I just don't believe Mic, a News Network that caters to Millennials, to be a credible source due to its obvious biases. I would rather have something else to accompany it, and to corroborate it.

Now I've seen the text, Mic did get the important point right (other sources like Romper didn't). It's that these conditions may no longer be considered pre-existing conditions, thus insurers can discriminate against people who had those experiences, if their state government so chooses.

Mic does seem to have overstated "states will have the all-clear". Actually, states can apply for the waiver to current conditions but only get it if Health and Human Services (ie Administration) allows.