Trump MAGAthread VI

[Genivaria]

The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions? That one?

The US Senate will probably take that provision out but if not- oh well.

Yeah that's where I stopped reading, what a fucking monstrous thing to say.

[Frenequesta]

I'll admit as much that I can't wait for Obamacare to fail and it collapsing is exactly what I want. Even better would be if the Republican AHCA becomes law. I anticipate that the AHCA will prove so disastrous that the Democrats will sweep congress in 2018 and 2020 and we'll be getting a single payer system.

There might be a ton of suffering and maybe some death in the interim but it is necessary and it will all be worth it if my long game scenario plays out with clockwork precision. What we absolutely can't have, is the ACA surviving long enough to never go away and the US will be stuck with a private insurer system for decades if not indefinitely.

The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions?
That one?

I thought that was fake news for some reason. (Reputable) source?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions?
That one?

I thought that was fake news for some reason. (Reputable) source?

I don't think those things are actually mentioned in the bill, for what it's worth.

[Ifreann]

I'll admit as much that I can't wait for Obamacare to fail and it collapsing is exactly what I want. Even better would be if the Republican AHCA becomes law. I anticipate that the AHCA will prove so disastrous that the Democrats will sweep congress in 2018 and 2020 and we'll be getting a single payer system.

There might be a ton of suffering and maybe some death in the interim but it is necessary and it will all be worth it if my long game scenario plays out with clockwork precision. What we absolutely can't have, is the ACA surviving long enough to never go away and the US will be stuck with a private insurer system for decades if not indefinitely.

The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions?
That one?

Exactly what is the problem with something being a pre-existing condition?

[Senkaku]

The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions?
That one?

Exactly what is the problem with something being a pre-existing condition?

mfw can't tell if seriously or ironically asking what's the issue with rape and pregnancy being pre-existing conditions

[Thermodolia]

I'll admit as much that I can't wait for Obamacare to fail and it collapsing is exactly what I want. Even better would be if the Republican AHCA becomes law. I anticipate that the AHCA will prove so disastrous that the Democrats will sweep congress in 2018 and 2020 and we'll be getting a single payer system.

There might be a ton of suffering and maybe some death in the interim but it is necessary and it will all be worth it if my long game scenario plays out with clockwork precision. What we absolutely can't have, is the ACA surviving long enough to never go away and the US will be stuck with a private insurer system for decades if not indefinitely.

I saw a conservative economist (I think?) pretty much say that single payer is pretty much inevitable over the next decade.

Id much rather have the Swiss or German model than straight up single payer

[Corrian]

I saw a conservative economist (I think?) pretty much say that single payer is pretty much inevitable over the next decade.

Id much rather have the Swiss or German model than straight up single payer[/quote]
I dunno if it was specifically single payer, but something like that.

I actually don't fully understand the difference between the different models, to be fair...

[Saiwania]

Yeah that's where I stopped reading, what a fucking monstrous thing to say.

Something extremely unpopular such as that being in the AHCA, is absolutely necessary for enough anger to build up for a Democratic sweep or takeover of congress which will likely bring about the single payer system we all want so badly. It is unfortunate but I see the ends as justifying the means. People might have to suffer, but it will all be worth it in the end if the cards are played right.

The timeline projection should be as follows:

ACA failure/ACA replacement with AHCA
Republican failure/AHCA collapse/voter anger
Democratic takeover of US congress
Using mandate, Democrats make a single payer system law
Nearly all Americans rejoice for having Medicare for all
Republican party gradually recovers from the past mistakes they made and come to embrace the new system because it works so well.

Medicare and Medicaid can be completely scrapped if the new single payer system effectively takes over all of US healthcare and is covered exclusively via higher taxes on the rich.

[Ashmoria]

The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions?
That one?

Exactly what is the problem with something being a pre-existing condition?

it allows the insurance company to charge you more for your coverage

[Thermodolia]

Id much rather have the Swiss or German model than straight up single payer

I dunno if it was specifically single payer, but something like that.

I actually don't fully understand the difference between the different models, to be fair...

They German and Swiss models allow for more private insurance than the British NHS

[Farnhamia]

Exactly what is the problem with something being a pre-existing condition?

it allows the insurance company to charge you more for your coverage

Or to refuse coverage for that condition at all.

[Saiwania]

It stands to reason that if the German or Swiss models of healthcare costs more than the French model statistically speaking, then it is inferior. There should be no ideological loyalty towards private or public. Whatever system provides the most overall but still costs the least, that is what should be adopted for national health care. If France excels at all three metrics of cost, access, and quality, then they're doing plenty right.

[Ifreann]

Exactly what is the problem with something being a pre-existing condition?

mfw can't tell if seriously or ironically asking what's the issue with rape and pregnancy being pre-existing conditions

I'm being serious, but I have a secret hidden agenda.

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Exactly what is the problem with something being a pre-existing condition?

it allows the insurance company to charge you more for your coverage

Because you'll be more likely to need healthcare which they'll have to cover. This is how insurance works for everything, is it not?

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it allows the insurance company to charge you more for your coverage

Or to refuse coverage for that condition at all.

That's sounds like more of a problem. Maybe people should lead with that as a criticism.

(Oh noes, my secret agenda is revealed!)

[Frenequesta]

Remember, we got to run government like a business. Of course, Haley is right that the firing is within Trump's powers, but that was never the issue.

Also, Democrats say no new FBI director until a special prosecutor is appointed. Too bad they can't "let the people decide."

[Ashmoria]

mfw can't tell if seriously or ironically asking what's the issue with rape and pregnancy being pre-existing conditions

I'm being serious, but I have a secret hidden agenda.

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it allows the insurance company to charge you more for your coverage

Because you'll be more likely to need healthcare which they'll have to cover. This is how insurance works for everything, is it not?

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Or to refuse coverage for that condition at all.

That's sounds like more of a problem. Maybe people should lead with that as a criticism.

(Oh noes, my secret agenda is revealed!)

under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.

[Ifreann]

I'm being serious, but I have a secret hidden agenda.

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Because you'll be more likely to need healthcare which they'll have to cover. This is how insurance works for everything, is it not?

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That's sounds like more of a problem. Maybe people should lead with that as a criticism.

(Oh noes, my secret agenda is revealed!)

under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.

This too sounds like a better criticism than "X is a pre-existing condition".

[Corrian]

Remember, we got to run government like a business. Of course, Haley is right that the firing is within Trump's powers, but that was never the issue.

Also, Democrats say no new FBI director until a special prosecutor is appointed. Too bad they can't "let the people decide."

...Great, so they're even blatantly saying he's our CEO now? That's lovely.

And is that even within power for Chuck Schumer to do at this point?

Honestly though, and I know Republicans will find a way to disappoint me, I'm not even sure there are enough to be happy with voting in a new one if its too bad of an option, anyway.

[Ashmoria]

under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.

This too sounds like a better criticism than "X is a pre-existing condition".

maybe we understand it more than you do.

when "cesarean section" becomes are pre-existing condition we know that we have an upwards of 1/3 cesarean rate and that in the past pre-existing conditions lead to higher rates, denial of coverage or revocation of coverage.

[Ashmoria]

Remember, we got to run government like a business. Of course, Haley is right that the firing is within Trump's powers, but that was never the issue.

Also, Democrats say no new FBI director until a special prosecutor is appointed. Too bad they can't "let the people decide."

...Great, so they're even blatantly saying he's our CEO now? That's lovely.

And is that even within power for Chuck Schumer to do at this point?

Honestly though, and I know Republicans will find a way to disappoint me, I'm not even sure there are enough to be happy with voting in a new one if its too bad of an option, anyway.

they have to make such a fuss that 3 republicans agree with them.

[Ifreann]

This too sounds like a better criticism than "X is a pre-existing condition".

maybe we understand it more than you do.

Maybe. I don't live in the Merica, maybe this is a sufficiently well understood thing there that no elaboration is needed.

[Saiwania]

under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.

This doesn't make financial sense and is breaking the backs of private insurers if younger and healthier people aren't paying in to a great enough extent. A pre-existing condition will cost more to cover statistically speaking. If an insurer can't charge the full cost of pre-existing conditions on the people who need to collect, then it instead makes all premiums rise in cost across the board for everyone.

[Gauthier]

under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.

This doesn't make financial sense and is breaking the backs of private insurers if younger and healthier people aren't paying in to a great enough extent. A pre-existing condition will cost more to cover statistically speaking. If an insurer can't charge the full cost of pre-existing conditions on the people who need to collect, then it instead makes all premiums rise in cost across the board for everyone.

Try to make insurance something to profit off of rather than a government backed right and it results in subpar "insurances" and sick people being told to eat shit and die.

[Ashmoria]

under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.

This doesn't make financial sense and is breaking the backs of private insurers if younger and healthier people aren't paying in to a great enough extent. A pre-existing condition will cost more to cover statistically speaking. If an insurer can't charge the full cost of pre-existing conditions on the people who need to collect, then it instead makes all premiums rise in cost across the board for everyone.

it only doesn't make sense to people who don't understand insurance.

[Thermodolia]

It stands to reason that if the German or Swiss models of healthcare costs more than the French model statistically speaking, then it is inferior. There should be no ideological loyalty towards private or public. Whatever system provides the most overall but still costs the least, that is what should be adopted for national health care. If France excels at all three metrics of cost, access, and quality, then they're doing plenty right.

The German and Swiss are more efficient. They are both among the top three nations with the lowest wait times for surgery and doctor visits.

[New haven america]

So Trump is taking his 21st golf trip since becoming President.

I seem to remember him saying that he would take any vacations and constantly got Obama for taking breaks...