Trump MAGAthread VI

[Philjia]

Well, he also started out as filthy rich by most standards. I believe it was brought up a while back, but I believe someone said he'd be richer if he just left his money in a bank and let it accumulate interest.

Perhaps. But the man has a degree from a prestigious university, a massive fortune, a trophy wife, a good relationship with his kids and has managed to be elected as president of the United States of America.
It is hard to see how he is not "succesful". Perhaps he could have done better; but I daresay he did better than everyone on this forum.

Donald Trump's wealth is inherited. As has been stated on multiple occasions, Forbes estimates that he's about $5 billion poorer than he could have been had he just put his inheritance into index funds. Everything else he has comes from that wealth. Fred Trump, not Donald, is the success here.

[Liriena]

In something tangentially related to Trump... his most ardent "gay" fanboy is begging notorious "racist" Samantha Bee for an interview.

Also, this:
Donald Trump picks son's wedding planner to run New York federal housing programme

This guy truly has the best people.

Also:
Betsy DeVos Is Suspending Two Rules Designed to Protect Students from Shady For-Profit Colleges

Perhaps. But the man has a degree from a prestigious university, a massive fortune, a trophy wife, a good relationship with his kids and has managed to be elected as president of the United States of America.
It is hard to see how he is not "succesful". Perhaps he could have done better; but I daresay he did better than everyone on this forum.

That happens to be because for one we all didn't win the genetic lottery and two we are not 60 years old, nor do we have a million dollars to invest from "daddy", nor a future company to inherit.

If you want to talk about how "successful" he is, go ahead, but his is not a rags-to-riches story.

Also, measuring a person's "success" based on how much currency he's accumulated is just sad, specially given how much of that currency he accumulated through no real hard work of his own.

[Lady Scylla]

I think I finally realize why so many people get excited over Trump (excited could mean hatefully excited, supportable excited and really every big opinion about him). I think it is because he comes up with catch phrases and ways to express his opinions with interesting sayings.

Just as an example, calling the allegations against him as a witch hunt. Who else would ever call it a witch hunt? Trump knows that he can excite the people, on both sides of the isle, when doing something like this.

Allegedly by Joseph Goebbels.

There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.

Basically saying that, in order to 'sway the people' -- you appeal to the lowest denominator. Intellectuals, or Academia will easily spot bullshit -- but the 'stupid' won't, and through them, and their numbers, can the former be supplanted.

[Philjia]

There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.

Basically saying that, in order to 'sway the people' -- you appeal to the lowest denominator. Intellectuals, or Academia will easily spot bullshit -- but the 'stupid' won't, and through them, and their numbers, can the former be supplanted.

Basically any of Goebbels' quotes about propaganda apply to Trumpism.

[Liriena]

I think I finally realize why so many people get excited over Trump (excited could mean hatefully excited, supportable excited and really every big opinion about him). I think it is because he comes up with catch phrases and ways to express his opinions with interesting sayings.

Just as an example, calling the allegations against him as a witch hunt. Who else would ever call it a witch hunt? Trump knows that he can excite the people, on both sides of the isle, when doing something like this.

Allegedly by Joseph Goebbels.

There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.

Basically saying that, in order to 'sway the people' -- you appeal to the lowest denominator. Intellectuals, or Academia will easily spot bullshit -- but the 'stupid' won't, and through them, and their numbers, can the former be supplanted.

While there's a bit of elitism in this argument, based on personal experience I do think it has some legitimacy. Most career politicians don't talk about politics like "regular folks" do. "Regular folks" don't talk about politics in carefully constructed and rehearsed sentences; instead, like Trump, they often go wherever their stream of consciousness may take them, the nuances of empirical evidence and logic be damned. Trump is emotional, often incoherent and rambles a lot... like many "regular folks". He "tells it like it is", not because he is actually, factually correct about his claims, but because he sounds like a "regular folk" with "regular folk" understanding of the world around them.

[Ifreann]

who did nothing wrong.

Apart from the whole burglary thing.

When the president does it, it's not illegal.

[Corrian]

I hear the Cuba thing is going great...

[Conserative Morality]

While there's a bit of elitism in this argument, based on personal experience I do think it has some legitimacy. Most career politicians don't talk about politics like "regular folks" do. "Regular folks" don't talk about politics in carefully constructed and rehearsed sentences; instead, like Trump, they often go wherever their stream of consciousness may take them, the nuances of empirical evidence and logic be damned. Trump is emotional, often incoherent and rambles a lot... like many "regular folks". He "tells it like it is", not because he is actually, factually correct about his claims, but because he sounds like a "regular folk" with "regular folk" understanding of the world around them.

These are just simple folks.

[Liriena]

I hear the Cuba thing is going great...

Not saying the Castros are the good guys, but they sure won't look like the baddies if he starts acting all shamelessly imperialist towards them.

[Greater Cesnica]

I hear the Cuba thing is going great...

Not saying the Castros are the good guys, but they sure won't look like the baddies if he starts acting all shamelessly imperialist towards them.

Oh shiitza

[Lady Scylla]

Basically saying that, in order to 'sway the people' -- you appeal to the lowest denominator. Intellectuals, or Academia will easily spot bullshit -- but the 'stupid' won't, and through them, and their numbers, can the former be supplanted.

Basically any of Goebbels' quotes about propaganda apply to Trumpism.

Populism in general, really.

[Liriena]

While there's a bit of elitism in this argument, based on personal experience I do think it has some legitimacy. Most career politicians don't talk about politics like "regular folks" do. "Regular folks" don't talk about politics in carefully constructed and rehearsed sentences; instead, like Trump, they often go wherever their stream of consciousness may take them, the nuances of empirical evidence and logic be damned. Trump is emotional, often incoherent and rambles a lot... like many "regular folks". He "tells it like it is", not because he is actually, factually correct about his claims, but because he sounds like a "regular folk" with "regular folk" understanding of the world around them.

These are just simple folks.

Love me some Mel Brooks. :3

Mind you, I'm not saying "lulz regular folks are stupid". They have their own set of tools to give meaning to the world around them, and as someone who despises the obscure verbosity of some academics (screw you, Foucault!), I ain't gonna mock them for not talking like a person with a philosophy degree.

[Liriena]

Not saying the Castros are the good guys, but they sure won't look like the baddies if he starts acting all shamelessly imperialist towards them.

Oh shiitza

There's a reason why even some libertarian leftists in Latin America are willing to overlook the worst of the Castro regime: because, much in the same way that all the Senate can be united in its members' shared hatred of Ted Cruz, Latin American leftists can be united in their shared hatred of centuries of imperial exploitation.

[Conserative Morality]

Love me some Mel Brooks. :3

Mind you, I'm not saying "lulz regular folks are stupid". They have their own set of tools to give meaning to the world around them, and as someone who despises the obscure verbosity of some academics (screw you, Foucault!), I ain't gonna mock them for not talking like a person with a philosophy degree.

Problem is, a lot of regular folks *are* stupid. Not inherently, but through lack of learning or interest in it - yet they are quite often taught to be proud of how little they know.

[Liriena]

Love me some Mel Brooks. :3

Mind you, I'm not saying "lulz regular folks are stupid". They have their own set of tools to give meaning to the world around them, and as someone who despises the obscure verbosity of some academics (screw you, Foucault!), I ain't gonna mock them for not talking like a person with a philosophy degree.

Problem is, a lot of regular folks *are* stupid. Not inherently, but through lack of learning or interest in it - yet they are quite often taught to be proud of how little they know.

True.

[Izandai]

Love me some Mel Brooks. :3

Mind you, I'm not saying "lulz regular folks are stupid". They have their own set of tools to give meaning to the world around them, and as someone who despises the obscure verbosity of some academics (screw you, Foucault!), I ain't gonna mock them for not talking like a person with a philosophy degree.

Problem is, a lot of regular folks *are* stupid. Not inherently, but through lack of learning or interest in it - yet they are quite often taught to be proud of how little they know.

That's the thing that really infuriates me, how proud some people are of being woefully ignorant of the workings of the world around them, especially when they have the gall to desire that their elected representatives be as uninformed and unintelligent as them.

[Thermodolia]

Mike Pence has hired Sepp Blatter's lawyer to represent him for the Russia inquiry.

Wait Mike Pence is being investigated now?

No he's just being proactive

[Gauthier]

Wait Mike Pence is being investigated now?

No he's just being proactive

Far as the public can tell.

[Cannot think of a name]

No he's just being proactive

Far as the public can tell.

To be fair, we're talking about a guy who won't be alone with a woman "just in case..."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No he's just being proactive

Far as the public can tell.

I mean, I might not like Pence, but he doesn't seem to me like he's got a lot to do with the Russia thing....

[Zanera]

I hear the Cuba thing is going great...

What Cuba thing?

[Maichuko]

I think Trumps trying to drive The Onion out of Business. He's chosen his families wedding planner to run a New York federal housing Program.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I hear the Cuba thing is going great...

What Cuba thing?

Trump plans to put some restrictions on Cuba again pushed by Cuban Americans like Marco Rubio.

He's making a talk in Miami right now about it in front of the Cuban American community.

Although, one thing I am content with is that he's not reinstating the "wet foot, dry foot" policy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I think Trumps trying to drive The Onion out of Business. He's chosen his families wedding planner to run a New York federal housing Program.

Nah that's just nepotism at work.

The program in and of itself is small enough for Trump, so he doesn't really care about who runs it either.

[Gauthier]

What Cuba thing?

Trump plans to put some restrictions on Cuba again pushed by Cuban Americans like Marco Rubio.

He's making a talk in Miami right now about it in front of the Cuban American community.

Although, one thing I am content with is that he's not reinstating the "wet foot, dry foot" policy.

A combination of milking praise from the Cuban Exiles and FUCKOBAMA.