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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 28, 2017 11:09 am

Uxupox wrote:Do you realize that North Vietnam immediately conducted an offensive called the Ho Chio Min campaign towards the South after the US withdrawal in the region? Read up on chapter 6. Though you'll have to buy the book if you want the complete analysis on Hanoi's change of doctrine.

You do realize that the reason that the South was so vulnerable to an offensive was because of their extreme unpopularity among their own population which screwed them even after the effective dissolution of the Vietcong, right?

But hey, hearts and minds don't matter. Drop enough bombs and you win, amirite?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 28, 2017 11:10 am

Uxupox wrote:Don't put words in my mouth.

Oh, so a decade from now you'll have reversed your opinion, then?

Or is it that you don't understand comparisons? I understand they can be rather difficult for the... literal-minded.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:11 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Do you realize that North Vietnam immediately conducted an offensive called the Ho Chio Min campaign towards the South after the US withdrawal in the region? Read up on chapter 6. Though you'll have to buy the book if you want the complete analysis on Hanoi's change of doctrine.

You do realize that the reason that the South was so vulnerable to an offensive was because of their extreme unpopularity among their own population which screwed them even after the effective dissolution of the Vietcong, right?

But hey, hearts and minds don't matter. Drop enough bombs and you win, amirite?


Pretty sure military historians are more informed then you.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:11 am

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Uxupox wrote:Don't put words in my mouth.

Oh, so a decade from now you'll have reversed your opinion, then?

Or is it that you don't understand comparisons? I understand they can be rather difficult for the... literal-minded.


I guess the complete collapse of the Afghanistan government never happened after the withdrawal of the Soviet Union. What's it called fake history?
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun May 28, 2017 11:15 am

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The East Marches II wrote:They are making a comeback. Karzai wasn't called the mayor of Kabul for nothing. Since we withdrew most of the troops we've lost all the gains we made in that much vaunted surge. Those dead men and the money expended were literally for nothing.

Mattis disagrees, and I think he knows a little more about war than YOU DO, pal, because he INVENTED IT


Mattis is a good solider. Unlike him, I'm not constrained anymore and I can voice my opinion openly.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 28, 2017 11:20 am

Uxupox wrote:Pretty sure military historians are more informed then you.

Pretty sure that anyone who is, like me, a history major, understands that historians rarely agree. This includes (shocker) military historians! :o

No really, it's true! Informed people can have different opinions!
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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:21 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Pretty sure military historians are more informed then you.

Pretty sure that anyone who is, like me, a history major, understands that historians rarely agree. This includes (shocker) military historians! :o

No really, it's true! Informed people can have different opinions!


Looks like you failed on that one.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 28, 2017 11:21 am

Uxupox wrote:I guess the complete collapse of the Afghanistan government never happened after the withdrawal of the Soviet Union. What's it called fake history?

"You're like one of those people always forecasting doom and you'll still be this way ten years from now."

"Don't put words in my mouth."

"I didn't."

"I guess you don't believe in the collapse of the Afghanistan government after the SovUnion left, ha ha"

???
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 28, 2017 11:22 am

Uxupox wrote:Looks like you failed on that one.

You're right. I should seek out higher-quality opposition. TEM, what's your schedule looking like?
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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:23 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:I guess the complete collapse of the Afghanistan government never happened after the withdrawal of the Soviet Union. What's it called fake history?

"You're like one of those people always forecasting doom and you'll still be this way ten years from now."

"Don't put words in my mouth."

"I didn't."

"I guess you don't believe in the collapse of the Afghanistan government after the SovUnion left, ha ha"

???


Can't learn from the past eh?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 28, 2017 11:24 am

Uxupox wrote:Can't learn from the past eh?

I guess I can't. I should've learned by now that you don't actually respond to posts with anything resembling relevance to the post or the topic at hand.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:27 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Can't learn from the past eh?

I guess I can't. I should've learned by now that you don't actually respond to posts with anything resembling relevance to the post or the topic at hand.


I guess the military is private organization now and doesn't belong to the US government or adheres by what commander-in-chief states.
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Postby Camicon » Sun May 28, 2017 11:28 am

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Camicon wrote:My guess? In the possession of the Army, Rolling Stone, and anyone else who utilized FOIA to look at them. Feel free to contact anyone of them if you want to see the primary documents for yourself.

I'm sure you're just as discerning with everything you read.


I'm contacting you. Unless the reports is non-existent?

Don't act stupid. :roll:

My source is the Rolling Stone article. If you have an issue with the evidence they've gathered (from the Army no less) then take it up with them.
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If one bad story is what it takes to knock you off the "Quality" pedestal, then quality journalism does not, and has never, existed.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 28, 2017 11:29 am

Uxupox wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I guess I can't. I should've learned by now that you don't actually respond to posts with anything resembling relevance to the post or the topic at hand.


I guess the military is private organization now and doesn't belong to the US government or adheres by what commander-in-chief states.

Thank you for proving his point.

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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:30 am

Camicon wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
I'm contacting you. Unless the reports is non-existent?

Don't act stupid. :roll:

My source is the Rolling Stone article. If you have an issue with the evidence they've gathered (from the Army no less) then take it up with them.
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Quality journalism Rolling Stone is not friendo

If one bad story is what it takes to knock you off the "Quality" pedestal, then quality journalism does not, and has never, existed.


It's bullshit evidence just like something comparable to Breitbart or similar.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:31 am

Genivaria wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
I guess the military is private organization now and doesn't belong to the US government or adheres by what commander-in-chief states.

Thank you for proving his point.


So the military's actions and it's budget is not within Trump's sphere of influence?
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Postby Senkaku » Sun May 28, 2017 11:43 am

Uxupox wrote:
Camicon wrote:Don't act stupid. :roll:

My source is the Rolling Stone article. If you have an issue with the evidence they've gathered (from the Army no less) then take it up with them.

If one bad story is what it takes to knock you off the "Quality" pedestal, then quality journalism does not, and has never, existed.


It's bullshit evidence just like something comparable to Breitbart or similar.

...Rolling Stone tends to be much more carefully researched than Breitbart, my dude. You not liking the conclusions they draw doesn't make them fake news. Don't fall into the Trump Trap there.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun May 28, 2017 11:46 am

Senkaku wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
It's bullshit evidence just like something comparable to Breitbart or similar.

...Rolling Stone tends to be much more carefully researched than Breitbart, my dude. You not liking the conclusions they draw doesn't make them fake news. Don't fall into the Trump Trap there.


I would trust if they actually produced gave me the report. Up to this point it's pure speculation as I can't even find those report and files.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun May 28, 2017 11:47 am

Senkaku wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
It's bullshit evidence just like something comparable to Breitbart or similar.

...Rolling Stone tends to be much more carefully researched than Breitbart, my dude. You not liking the conclusions they draw doesn't make them fake news. Don't fall into the Trump Trap there.


That's a good meme on the better researched part.

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Postby The East Marches II » Sun May 28, 2017 11:48 am

Camicon wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
I'm contacting you. Unless the reports is non-existent?

Don't act stupid. :roll:

My source is the Rolling Stone article. If you have an issue with the evidence they've gathered (from the Army no less) then take it up with them.


Vague mentions of reports with no concrete proofs. I require better proofadoodledoo than that.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 28, 2017 11:48 am

The East Marches II wrote:That's a good meme on the better researched part.

Comparitives are funny. Senkaku's post could be both completely true and, in context, still mean very little.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun May 28, 2017 11:51 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:That's a good meme on the better researched part.

Comparitives are funny. Senkaku's post could be both completely true and, in context, still mean very little.


The only source you can trust is Stratfor. In Stratfor we trust.

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Postby The East Marches II » Sun May 28, 2017 11:56 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Looks like you failed on that one.

You're right. I should seek out higher-quality opposition. TEM, what's your schedule looking like?


You are too kind. I'm a bit busy to be honest. I should have flown a desk like a friend of mine and gotten an ez government job. Then I could good post at work.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 28, 2017 1:13 pm


So when are we invading the Philippines to give them some freedom?
Or does that only apply to communists and Muslims?

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