Trump MAGAthread VI

[Proctopeo]

The Chancellor of Germany said that America is no longer a reliable ally. I can't blame that logic. He'll suck up to the Saudi's, but be a prick our European allies.

Haven't we always sucked up to the Saudis?

[Conserative Morality]

The Chancellor of Germany said that America is no longer a reliable ally. I can't blame that logic. He'll suck up to the Saudi's, but be a prick our European allies.

Haven't we always sucked up to the Saudis?

Yeah, but we weren't always pricks to our real allies.

[Proctopeo]

Haven't we always sucked up to the Saudis?

Yeah, but we weren't always pricks to our real allies.

Fair enough.
I've been out of the loop, though, so what has Trump specifically done?

[Uxupox]

The Chancellor of Germany said that America is no longer a reliable ally. I can't blame that logic. He'll suck up to the Saudi's, but be a prick our European allies.

Reliable as what? Does she mean reliable as Germany's not existent military?

[Proctopeo]

The Chancellor of Germany said that America is no longer a reliable ally. I can't blame that logic. He'll suck up to the Saudi's, but be a prick our European allies.

Reliable as what? Does she mean reliable as Germany's not existent military?

Hey, it's not completely non-existent. They have three Jeeps and ten soldiers.

[Valrifell]

The Chancellor of Germany said that America is no longer a reliable ally. I can't blame that logic. He'll suck up to the Saudi's, but be a prick our European allies.

Reliable as what? Does she mean reliable as Germany's not existent military?

I'd take a non-existent military over the bloated mess that we have. At least Europeans apparently have better priorities than "Throw all the money at Defense!"

[Uxupox]

Reliable as what? Does she mean reliable as Germany's not existent military?

I'd take a non-existent military over the bloated mess that we have. At least Europeans apparently have better priorities than "Throw all the money at Defense!"

Department of the Navy says it can't meet it's naval obligations and over 2/3rds of their air mavalbpower is currently groumded. But aure its "bloated".

[Valrifell]

I'd take a non-existent military over the bloated mess that we have. At least Europeans apparently have better priorities than "Throw all the money at Defense!"

Department of the Navy says it can't meet it's naval obligations and over 2/3rds of their air mavalbpower is currently groumded. But aure its "bloated".

Apparently we're throwing the most money (with sheer numbers and percentage of GDP) at a military that still is apparently incompetent?

There's a fatal flaw somewhere in that system, and throwing more money at it isn't going to help.

[The East Marches II]

Reliable as what? Does she mean reliable as Germany's not existent military?

I'd take a non-existent military over the bloated mess that we have. At least Europeans apparently have better priorities than "Throw all the money at Defense!"

Better priorities like being blackmailed by the Turks because of their own weakness. It's really impressive just how much spine they are lacking.

[The East Marches II]

Department of the Navy says it can't meet it's naval obligations and over 2/3rds of their air mavalbpower is currently groumded. But aure its "bloated".

Apparently we're throwing the most money (with sheer numbers and percentage of GDP) at a military that still is apparently incompetent?

There's a fatal flaw somewhere in that system, and throwing more money at it isn't going to help.

The flaw is too many strategic obligations and a misguided desire to save the world.

[Uxupox]

Department of the Navy says it can't meet it's naval obligations and over 2/3rds of their air mavalbpower is currently groumded. But aure its "bloated".

Apparently we're throwing the most money (with sheer numbers and percentage of GDP) at a military that still is apparently incompetent?

There's a fatal flaw somewhere in that system, and throwing more money at it isn't going to help.

The previous naval commander warned Obama but he ignored if the situation then Trump has the damn same fault as him.

[Uxupox]

Apparently we're throwing the most money (with sheer numbers and percentage of GDP) at a military that still is apparently incompetent?

There's a fatal flaw somewhere in that system, and throwing more money at it isn't going to help.

The flaw is too many strategic obligations and a misguided desire to save the world.

Pretty much.

[Conserative Morality]

The flaw is too many strategic obligations and a misguided desire to save the world.

Or the flaw is a bloated military budget focused more on pork than making the most of what we have and acquiring what we need.

[The East Marches II]

The flaw is too many strategic obligations and a misguided desire to save the world.

Or the flaw is a bloated military budget focused more on pork than making the most of what we have and acquiring what we need.

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.

[Uxupox]

Or the flaw is a bloated military budget focused more on pork than making the most of what we have and acquiring what we need.

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.[/quote

In both Afghanistan and Iraq the military has to repay for buildings that are destroyed in the ensued combat.

[Uxupox]

Or the flaw is a bloated military budget focused more on pork than making the most of what we have and acquiring what we need.

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.[/quote

In both Afghanistan and Iraq the military has to repay for buildings that are destroyed in the ensued combat.

[Conserative Morality]

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.

We also rely heavily on investing on projects the US military neither needs nor wants because 'muh lobbyists consistuents'.

[Thermodolia]

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq the military has to repay for buildings that are destroyed in the ensued combat.[/quote]
Well that's a bit dumb. Though I guess that's what we get for trying to nation build.

[The East Marches II]

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.

We also rely heavily on investing on projects the US military neither needs nor wants because 'muh lobbyists consistuents'.

That is about keeping production lines open so we don't turn into Europe. The military's kit and strategic objectives (deeming who is the bad guy to fight) are set by Congress for a reason. It's why we still make skrublys, refit Abrams and build new airframes. If you lose that capacity you will merely repeat the mistakes of the aftermath of the First World War. Thankfully despite all of our post-history mistakes, shutting down the big heavy equipment factories was not one of them.

[Camicon]

Oh, bullshit. It may not be official US policy (though, with Trump in charge, it may become unofficial policy), but American military forces have been specifically killing civilians in the Middle East with impunity for a while now. And for the few that are discovered and prosecuted, like the platoon in the Rolling Stone article, how many do you figure fly under the radar?

Corrian's comments are less outlandish than you're portraying them, even if you ignore the bombing campaign, which I don't think you should. Dropping a bomb to kill a handful of legitimate targets, knowing that you're also going to catch many more innocents in the blast, doesn't justify the bombing. And while the intent might not be to advance political objectives through terror, to an extent that is actually happening.

That's story is full of shit.

Because shaking your head and screaming "NUH-UH!" is the best thing to do when presented with evidence that contradicts your worldview.

[The East Marches II]

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq the military has to repay for buildings that are destroyed in the ensued combat.[/quote]

Among other things we do for them to "win" them over.

[Uxupox]

That's story is full of shit.

Because shaking your head and screaming "NUH-UH!" is the best thing to do when presented with evidence that contradicts your worldview.

Where is the evidence? Story doesn't even provide it.

[Uxupox]

The budget isn't bloated, if it were pure pork it would be different. I can't take Uncle Sam for a ride selling old F-16 parts like I could (people still do) in Europe. We have to rely on heavily on equipment and technology because the US population hates losses of both enemy civilians and our own troops. That is an extremely expensive way of fighting.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq the military has to repay for buildings that are destroyed in the ensued combat.

Among other things we do for them to "win" them over.[/quote]

This is the mindset we need

[Camicon]

Because shaking your head and screaming "NUH-UH!" is the best thing to do when presented with evidence that contradicts your worldview.

Where is the evidence? Story doesn't even provide it.

A Rolling Stone expose doesn't need to hyperlink to other webpages like we do here. They cite, at various points: official Army reports, investigative files, interviews with the subjects, and public statements made by the Army. There are dates and names (and pictures) aplenty, and all that information is readily available to anyone who would like to fact-check them. This story wouldn't stand up to six years of scrutiny if it was fabricated.

[Conserative Morality]

A Rolling Stone expose doesn't need to hyperlink to other webpages like we do here. They cite, at various points: official Army reports, investigative files, interviews with the subjects, and public statements made by the Army. There are dates and names (and pictures) aplenty, and all that information is readily available to anyone who would like to fact-check them. This story wouldn't stand up to six years of scrutiny if it was fabricated.

But muh Army Strong