Trump MAGAthread VI

[Lady Scylla]

Oh, okay. You really convinced me over centuries of military theory and recent shitshows showing what a massive problem offensive operations are. Thanks, random internet guy!

I can give you a class on strategic level OPORDS, different levels of war and full spectrum operations if you want.

Should we somehow be impressed?

Here

Now have a seat.

[The East Marches II]

Moving light units is alot different than heavy tanks and self propelled guns. 5k on the new Eastern Front will be nothing. We need to be able to move 100,000 plus tanks, artillery and all the fun stuff that goes with.

"Light units"

You do realize we were porting around artillery battalions for the Frenchies, right? 5k would be nothing. But as I said, our involvement was minimal in terms of our capabilities. 1/20 of our C-17 fleet. Just our C-17 fleet. Just our active C-17 fleet. That's not including our active C-5s, C-130s, or mothballed C-141s...

C-17s can't fit Abrams. We've only 125 C-5s which can fit a 2 Abrams. We need to move 1,000 tanks but also their support kit (which is more than the tank). Our current airlift isn't sufficient. As I said previously we would be commuting units piecemeal and suffer extremely high losses for it.

[Uxupox]

Bush didn't plan missions, nor did Obama and neither will Trump.

Did I say Bush planned missions? I said he embarked on a poorly-planned unilateral military adventure, not that he planned individual missions.

It was planned very well. In fact Ret. Gen. Mattis achievement at completely demolishing the Iraqi forces in the theater with his command of 1st Marine Division was something outstanding and it is beholden with high regards in the military world.

[Uxupox]

I can give you a class on strategic level OPORDS, different levels of war and full spectrum operations if you want.

Should we somehow be impressed?

Here

Now have a seat.

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[Internationalist Bastard]

If the US got attacked, I doubt much of Europe would sit back like nothing was happening. Trump's idea that the US is somehow entitled to reimbursement is insane.

I wonder how effective many of those countries would be, at, you know, responding.

I mean they don't just call terrorists losers

[Conserative Morality]

Its a sunk cost at this point. Europe can care all they want but how many tanks can they send to the front to help? That's the important part. Caring does fuck all.

Poland alone has almost half of the tank force of Russia.

[Gauthier]

Did I say Bush planned missions? I said he embarked on a poorly-planned unilateral military adventure, not that he planned individual missions.

It was planned very well. In fact Ret. Gen. Mattis achievement at completely demolishing the Iraqi forces in the theater with his command of 1st Marine Division was something outstanding and it is beholden with high regards in the military world.

Which did fuck all for the insurgency that followed.

[Lady Scylla]

Did I say Bush planned missions? I said he embarked on a poorly-planned unilateral military adventure, not that he planned individual missions.

It was planned very well. In fact Ret. Gen. Mattis achievement at completely demolishing the Iraqi forces in the theater with his command of 1st Marine Division was something outstanding and it is beholden with high regards in the military world.

Demolishing Iraqi forces. You mean the fact that the Iraqi military had severe loyalty issues and would often flee? Not much of a win there. There's a reason the first war was so bloody short.

[Thermodolia]

Why am I arguing with you? You'd love to see NATO dissolved. Any action towards that goal would be praised regardless of logical consistency or viability.

Oh right, enlisted in the military but never wants to fight.

You do know that most troops don't want to go to war because they've seen shit they don't want to put anyone though

[Lady Scylla]

It was planned very well. In fact Ret. Gen. Mattis achievement at completely demolishing the Iraqi forces in the theater with his command of 1st Marine Division was something outstanding and it is beholden with high regards in the military world.

Which did fuck all for the insurgency that followed.

That's what we get when we put the oppressed in power over their previous oppressors.

[Thermodolia]

Here we see the violent man on the prowl looking for the next war. Ahh the smell of dying children in the morning. Makes me cry a tear of joyness of thee!

Hey man. Being a soldier does not mean having a boner for death and destruction of all other beings.

I'm still thinking about trying the military again.
Maybe not bring up the ADHD this time.

I wouldn't try it. If they find out it's an automatic discharge

[Uxupox]

It was planned very well. In fact Ret. Gen. Mattis achievement at completely demolishing the Iraqi forces in the theater with his command of 1st Marine Division was something outstanding and it is beholden with high regards in the military world.

Which did fuck all for the insurgency that followed.

That's because there was no imposition of a strict military government and in tie with the hearts of minds strategy it was not opted to see the rearmament of the local native forces.

[Gauthier]

Oh right, enlisted in the military but never wants to fight.

You do know that most troops don't want to go to war because they've seen shit they don't want to put anyone though

There's not enjoying a conflict and there's trying to dodge the job description.

[Proctopeo]

I wonder how effective many of those countries would be, at, you know, responding.

I mean they don't just call terrorists losers

I don't see how that relates

[Corrian]

Why does Texas seem to think "Hey, see all of this horrible shit other states passed? Let's try to pass all of those as fast as possible"

[Lady Scylla]

I'm still thinking about trying the military again.
Maybe not bring up the ADHD this time.

I wouldn't try it. If they find out it's an automatic discharge

I wouldn't try it period. Not while Trump's in office. If he manages to not get us into another war, I will be surprised.

[Ism]

Why does Texas seem to think "Hey, see all of this horrible shit other states passed? Let's try to pass all of those as fast as possible"

Because everything is bigger in Texas. Well, almost everything.

[Lady Scylla]

Why does Texas seem to think "Hey, see all of this horrible shit other states passed? Let's try to pass all of those as fast as possible"

Because my state has been run by Republicans that are some of the most shallow lifeforms on the planet.

[Conserative Morality]

C-17s can't fit Abrams.

Then it's a good thing our military consists of more than just Abrams.

We've only 125 C-5s which can fit a 2 Abrams. We need to move 1,000 tanks but also their support kit (which is more than the tank). Our current airlift isn't sufficient. As I said previously we would be commuting units piecemeal and suffer extremely high losses for it.

That's 250 Abrams/trip. Eight hours in the air at cruising speed from New York to France. Are you telling me that we can't coordinate more than one round trip every 1.75 days for our C-5 fleet in times of trouble? Or that the necessary support kit either cannot fit in anything less than a C-5 or would take more than another 7 days?

[The East Marches II]

Its a sunk cost at this point. Europe can care all they want but how many tanks can they send to the front to help? That's the important part. Caring does fuck all.

Poland alone has almost half of the tank force of Russia.

2 to 1 odds with shit tanks (only 100 Leopard 2s and the rest cold war left over T-72 and T-55s) is bad but unlike the rest of Europe they believe and are willing to fight. Poland takes its defense seriously. They deserve a special exemption from my condemnation as do the British. They do work too especially with the two new carriers which will free up an American carrier.

[Uxupox]

It was planned very well. In fact Ret. Gen. Mattis achievement at completely demolishing the Iraqi forces in the theater with his command of 1st Marine Division was something outstanding and it is beholden with high regards in the military world.

Demolishing Iraqi forces. You mean the fact that the Iraqi military had severe loyalty issues and would often flee? Not much of a win there. There's a reason the first war was so bloody short.

Have you seen how he completely reformed his own staff and how he effectively used his logistical capacity during the engagements in the war? The guy is a genius.

He just didn't demolish the normal troops but also the Republican guard with what seemed at the time no effort.

[Napkiraly]

It was planned very well. In fact Ret. Gen. Mattis achievement at completely demolishing the Iraqi forces in the theater with his command of 1st Marine Division was something outstanding and it is beholden with high regards in the military world.

Demolishing Iraqi forces. You mean the fact that the Iraqi military had severe loyalty issues and would often flee? Not much of a win there. There's a reason the first war was so bloody short.

Quite a number of the units that Mattis and his troops engaged were, iirc, Republican Guard and foreign volunteers. The latter may not have been especially competent but they were certainly willing to die fighting against the "infidels". They were finding Syrians, Libyans, Egyptians, Sudanese, etc. A lot stayed after the invasion to take part in the insurgency.

[Gauthier]

Why does Texas seem to think "Hey, see all of this horrible shit other states passed? Let's try to pass all of those as fast as possible"

Because my state has been run by Republicans that are perhaps from the guck at the bottom of the barrel.

Oh right, they want to pass their own Dick Police Bill.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I mean they don't just call terrorists losers

I don't see how that relates

I mean track record shows we tend to work together a lot when it comes to terrorism, and yet Trump likes to claim America does all the work

[Uxupox]

You do know that most troops don't want to go to war because they've seen shit they don't want to put anyone though

There's not enjoying a conflict and there's trying to dodge the job description.

Seems to me you just want to see blood reign. Specifically Russian.