Trump MAGAthread VI

[Gauthier]

You mean not defending some parasites allies that can't even meet the recommendations of the organization? What's wrong here?

Why am I arguing with you? You'd love to see NATO dissolved. Any action towards that goal would be praised regardless of logical consistency or viability.

Oh right, enlisted in the military but never wants to fight.

[Ghategen]

I never disputed that Gorsuch or jeff was on the court or AG. It being a bad thing depends on who you ask. As for immigration if you want to please everyone just close borders like we did in ww2 fix the issue right then and there. NO shit the jobs hard he has the right to complain?

Do you still maintain that all of these points are personal opinions? I have provided evidence to the contrary.

I never said all of them are personal opinions i said some of them are and Gorsuch Jeff and complaing about a job are indeed personal opinions. If you had a hard day at work and come home would you complain on facebook or twitter or whatever the fuck you use? Don't tell me you wouldnt.

[The East Marches II]

Why am I arguing with you? You'd love to see NATO dissolved. Any action towards that goal would be praised regardless of logical consistency or viability.

Oh right, enlisted in the military but never wants to fight.

Yes Gauthier, it's a bad idea to get into war if one can avoid it. Some people know a thing or two about it. I never took you for a jingoist.

[Gauthier]

Oh right, enlisted in the military but never wants to fight.

Yes Gauthier, it's a bad idea to get into war if one can avoid it. Some people know a thing or two about it. I never took you for a jingoist.

More like signing up for the fire department but never wanting to go on a call.

[The East Marches II]

Yes Gauthier, it's a bad idea to get into war if one can avoid it. Some people know a thing or two about it. I never took you for a jingoist.

More like signing up for the fire department but never wanting to go on a call.

What kind of asshole wants somebody's house to burn down? You'd think they wouldn't want to be needed.

[Uxupox]

Why am I arguing with you? You'd love to see NATO dissolved. Any action towards that goal would be praised regardless of logical consistency or viability.

Oh right, enlisted in the military but never wants to fight.

Here we see the violent man on the prowl looking for the next war. Ahh the smell of dying children in the morning. Makes me cry a tear of joyness of thee!

Hey man. Being a soldier does not mean having a boner for death and destruction of all other beings.

[Uxupox]

Yes Gauthier, it's a bad idea to get into war if one can avoid it. Some people know a thing or two about it. I never took you for a jingoist.

More like signing up for the fire department but never wanting to go on a call.

Do you love anything?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Do you still maintain that all of these points are personal opinions? I have provided evidence to the contrary.

I never said all of them are personal opinions i said some of them are and Gorsuch Jeff and complaing about a job are indeed personal opinions. If you had a hard day at work and come home would you complain on facebook or twitter or whatever the fuck you use? Don't tell me you wouldnt.

He's the fucking President, not a bank clerk or retail assistant.

He ran for this job, it is by definition hard. He should either shut up and do it, or resign.

[Hittanryan]

Do you still maintain that all of these points are personal opinions? I have provided evidence to the contrary.

I never said all of them are personal opinions i said some of them are and Gorsuch Jeff and complaing about a job are indeed personal opinions. If you had a hard day at work and come home would you complain on facebook or twitter or whatever the fuck you use? Don't tell me you wouldnt.

I see you've gone back and edited your original post. This is what you said originally:

Can you back up any of these claims to facts or are these your personal opinions? As for the last one it would of just been a democrat majority so your point is what?

I have backed up those claims with evidence.

Trump indeed complained about the job being too hard, and he deserves to be criticized for that. He claimed during the campaign that his opponent wouldn't have the stamina for the job. He said he would work nonstop with no vacations, and has since spent more on vacations in a few months than Obama did in a year. He said that only he could solve America's problems. Now he's whining that it's too hard?

[Genivaria]

Oh right, enlisted in the military but never wants to fight.

Here we see the violent man on the prowl looking for the next war. Ahh the smell of dying children in the morning. Makes me cry a tear of joyness of thee!

Hey man. Being a soldier does not mean having a boner for death and destruction of all other beings.

I'm still thinking about trying the military again.
Maybe not bring up the ADHD this time.

[Ghategen]

I never said all of them are personal opinions i said some of them are and Gorsuch Jeff and complaing about a job are indeed personal opinions. If you had a hard day at work and come home would you complain on facebook or twitter or whatever the fuck you use? Don't tell me you wouldnt.

I see you've gone back and edited your original post. This is what you said originally:

Can you back up any of these claims to facts or are these your personal opinions? As for the last one it would of just been a democrat majority so your point is what?

I have backed up those claims with evidence.

Trump indeed complained about the job being too hard, and he deserves to be criticized for that. He claimed during the campaign that his opponent wouldn't have the stamina for the job. He said he would work nonstop with no vacations, and has since spent more on vacations in a few months than Obama did in a year. He said that only he could solve America's problems. Now he's whining that it's too hard?

Nice lie mate i have not edited a single post from this conversation. But i'll let you carry on with your bullshit.

[Conserative Morality]

NATO is at this point a strategic liability. Why are we obligated to help those who can very easily pitch more in themselves? Hell if they don't want armies they can just pay that money out to us.

They could always pitch in more. If it was 2%, people would be crying for 4%. If it was 4%, they'd want them to match the US' contribution instead. And if they matched our contribution, people would ask why they need our help anyway? For most people crying for more spending from our allies is just a smokescreen for their isolationism.

Wait a minute... YOU'RE ONE OF THEM

[Napkiraly]

Yes Gauthier, it's a bad idea to get into war if one can avoid it. Some people know a thing or two about it. I never took you for a jingoist.

More like signing up for the fire department but never wanting to go on a call.

You do realise that fire departments are constantly doing fire prevention work, right? This may come as a shocker, but yeah most firefighters probably don't want people's homes burning down unless they are a complete psychopath. It runs the risk of them dying, civilians dying, pets dying, lives completely upended, etc. It's generally not a good thing.

But at least Uxu has shown a willingness to do some civic duty for his nation and put his life on the line if necessary. Not to mention, and Uxu can correct me if I am wrong, he has served a combat tour and has seen what war is like upfront. Unlike you.

[Conserative Morality]

What kind of asshole wants somebody's house to burn down? You'd think they wouldn't want to be needed.

Less "I don't want someone's house to burn down" and more "I want the burning house to be out of my department's jurisdiction."

[Hittanryan]

I see you've gone back and edited your original post. This is what you said originally:


I have backed up those claims with evidence.

Trump indeed complained about the job being too hard, and he deserves to be criticized for that. He claimed during the campaign that his opponent wouldn't have the stamina for the job. He said he would work nonstop with no vacations, and has since spent more on vacations in a few months than Obama did in a year. He said that only he could solve America's problems. Now he's whining that it's too hard?

Nice lie mate i have not edited a single post from this conversation. But i'll let you carry on with your bullshit.

I take it that means you're not going to address the actual point of the post, which is that Trump bragged that he'd be able to handle the Presidency easily, and has since whined that it's too hard?

[Conserative Morality]

You do realise that fire departments are constantly doing fire prevention work, right?

That's NATO's purpose.

[The East Marches II]

NATO is at this point a strategic liability. Why are we obligated to help those who can very easily pitch more in themselves? Hell if they don't want armies they can just pay that money out to us.

They could always pitch in more. If it was 2%, people would be crying for 4%. If it was 4%, they'd want them to match the US' contribution instead. And if they matched our contribution, people would ask why they need our help anyway? For most people crying for more spending from our allies is just a smokescreen for their isolationism.

Wait a minute... YOU'RE ONE OF THEM

In this case I'm not. While I may be one at heart, I sincerely believe if we are to commit to such actions we need to make sure they are a success and that we aren't creating a strategic liability that will cost lives of good men in for nothing in the future.

We need some sort of baseline to keep the Europeans from becoming parasitic as they are now. I would have structured that differently but we play the hand we are dealt. 2% is very reasonable and if everybody pitched in it would be more than enough to deal with the Ivans.

The next war will be global. If Southeast Asia kicks off then we can expect to face the Russians in Europe trying something. We are not big enough or spend enough to ensure we can save everybody on our own. If we are going to make this work, it has to be a team effort.

[Napkiraly]

At this point, maybe tough love is what the Europeans need. Maybe they'll start whistling a different tune if next time there is an attack or some other conflict, Uncle Sam flat out refuses to assist. If they aren't willing to commit to defending themselves, why should the USA? Honestly, it kind of blows at times that Canada is right next door to the USA so it has to be protected regardless because Canada also really needs that tough love. Less than 1% of GDP on defense, Jesus I cannot properly convey how terrible that is.

[Conserative Morality]

At this point, maybe tough love is what the Europeans need. Maybe they'll start whistling a tune if next time there is an attack or some other conflict, Uncle Sam flat out refuses to assist. If they aren't willing to commit to defending themselves, why should the USA? Honestly, it kind of blows at times that Canada is right next door to the USA so it has to be protected regardless because Canada also really needs that tough love. Less than 1% of GDP on defense, Jesus I cannot properly convey how terrible that is.

"Maybe tough love is what the Europeans need"

If Europe gets in deep shit and the US refuses to help, there are one of two ways that's going to go down:

1. They get their asses kicked and end up in Warsaw Pact 2.0 in which case our inaction has strengthened our enemies.

2. They kick the ass of their opposition and then refuse to play nice with the US and pursue an independent foreign policy contrary to our's.

Neither of those are good outcomes for us.

[Gauthier]

At this point, maybe tough love is what the Europeans need. Maybe they'll start whistling a different tune if next time there is an attack or some other conflict, Uncle Sam flat out refuses to assist. If they aren't willing to commit to defending themselves, why should the USA? Honestly, it kind of blows at times that Canada is right next door to the USA so it has to be protected regardless because Canada also really needs that tough love. Less than 1% of GDP on defense, Jesus I cannot properly convey how terrible that is.

Because the US is more than capable of handling whatever overruns Europe and consolidated all that resource. Clearly. Life is a video game where nobody nee' no steenkin' badges allies.

[Proctopeo]

At this point, maybe tough love is what the Europeans need. Maybe they'll start whistling a different tune if next time there is an attack or some other conflict, Uncle Sam flat out refuses to assist. If they aren't willing to commit to defending themselves, why should the USA? Honestly, it kind of blows at times that Canada is right next door to the USA so it has to be protected regardless because Canada also really needs that tough love. Less than 1% of GDP on defense, Jesus I cannot properly convey how terrible that is.

Because the US is more than capable of handling whatever overruns Europe and consolidated all that resource. Clearly. Life is a video game where nobody nee' no steenkin' badges allies.

The trick is to be friends with whatever overruns Europe.

[The East Marches II]

At this point, maybe tough love is what the Europeans need. Maybe they'll start whistling a tune if next time there is an attack or some other conflict, Uncle Sam flat out refuses to assist. If they aren't willing to commit to defending themselves, why should the USA? Honestly, it kind of blows at times that Canada is right next door to the USA so it has to be protected regardless because Canada also really needs that tough love. Less than 1% of GDP on defense, Jesus I cannot properly convey how terrible that is.

"Maybe tough love is what the Europeans need"

If Europe gets in deep shit and the US refuses to help, there are one of two ways that's going to go down:

1. They get their asses kicked and end up in Warsaw Pact 2.0 in which case our inaction has strengthened our enemies.

2. They kick the ass of their opposition and then refuse to play nice with the US and pursue an independent foreign policy contrary to our's.

Neither of those are good outcomes for us.

Both are better alternatives to either getting involved in WW3 because insufficient detterant. 1. happens anyway if we don't get our troops to Europe. We haven't done a Reforger tier exercise in many years. We'd have to feed units piecemeal into battle and suffer far more losses than otherwise due to our so called Allies weakness. That's even assuming we get there in time which is... doubtful. It takes weeks to cross the Ocean and airlift can't mass enough troops on its own to matter.

[Uxupox]

At this point, maybe tough love is what the Europeans need. Maybe they'll start whistling a different tune if next time there is an attack or some other conflict, Uncle Sam flat out refuses to assist. If they aren't willing to commit to defending themselves, why should the USA? Honestly, it kind of blows at times that Canada is right next door to the USA so it has to be protected regardless because Canada also really needs that tough love. Less than 1% of GDP on defense, Jesus I cannot properly convey how terrible that is.

Because the US is more than capable of handling whatever overruns Europe and consolidated all that resource. Clearly. Life is a video game where nobody nee' no steenkin' badges allies.

If the only viable enemy (Which is Russia) actually manages to defeat the entirety of Europe. Then they are idiots.

[Napkiraly]

At this point, maybe tough love is what the Europeans need. Maybe they'll start whistling a different tune if next time there is an attack or some other conflict, Uncle Sam flat out refuses to assist. If they aren't willing to commit to defending themselves, why should the USA? Honestly, it kind of blows at times that Canada is right next door to the USA so it has to be protected regardless because Canada also really needs that tough love. Less than 1% of GDP on defense, Jesus I cannot properly convey how terrible that is.

Because the US is more than capable of handling whatever overruns Europe and consolidated all that resource. Clearly. Life is a video game where nobody nee' no steenkin' badges allies.

Yes, this is clearly what I stated.

[Gauthier]

Because the US is more than capable of handling whatever overruns Europe and consolidated all that resource. Clearly. Life is a video game where nobody nee' no steenkin' badges allies.

If the only viable enemy (Which is Russia) actually manages to defeat the entirety of Europe. Then they are idiots.

And then when Russia consolidates resources and territory you get dragged into a conflict you hide from like Jehovah's Witnesses at the door because they're not going to settle for just Europe.