Trump MAGAthread VI

[The East Marches II]

I see no wrong in having fun at a memorial, honestly. I've had fun on ANZAC day myself, for instance.

You've clearly never been to Yad Vashem.

It's not a place for having fun. The group I was with were all openly sobbing by the time we made it out. If you can "have fun" at Yad Vashem... the museum is probably warning people about people like you.

Oh yes, moral condemnation for not feeling to same as others. One can have a good day with the family at places like that. Its not an either or sort of thing. Thats just being overly sensitive. While Trump's note was garbage and bad PR, you make a bigger deal than should be made out of it.

[Minzerland II]

I see no wrong in having fun at a memorial, honestly. I've had fun on ANZAC day myself, for instance.

You've clearly never been to Yad Vashem.

It's not a place for having fun. The group I was with were all openly sobbing by the time we made it out. If you can "have fun" at Yad Vashem... the museum is probably warning people about people like you.

No. I couldn't afford that.

'Learning is fun!', as they say. You should strive to have fun, even at Yad Vashem.

[AiliailiA]

I actually agree with you this time. (Don't expect that to happen again!)

There are words which shouldn't be used to describe terrorists, like "martyr" or "historical" or (obviously) "hero" etc. But using a range of different insulting words is good, there doesn't need to be consistency among the world leaders on that.

"Loser" is an excellent choice actually. The demographic which suicide bombers almost all come from is young men, and they've heard already that a terrorist act is an "outrage", that it is "evil" and all those other pompous terms of disrespect. If being called "a loser" gets through to just one of them and tips them from planning a terrorist attack, to doing something else, then that's great and whether people think it's dignified of the President to use such a word does not matter at all.

He could have done better: instead of "evil loser" he could have said "fucking loser". OK, maybe not the f word, how about "dead loser" ...

So you are saying the only choice is between "loser" and "hero"? Good god you have a limited vocabulary.

1 strawman and 1 personal insult ... what a pathetic rebuttal.

[Conserative Morality]

I see no wrong in having fun at a memorial, honestly. I've had fun on ANZAC day myself, for instance.

There are two problems with this:

1. Yad Veshem being a very particular kind of memorial, and having fun at it being like saying you 'had a blast' watching Hiroshima radiation victims slowly die on film. While as a darkly humorous statement it might be fine, if you actually had fun watching it, there's probably something wrong with you.

2. High-profile visits to serious memorials are generally not appropriate for 'having fun'. A public official doesn't go to pay respects to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and then talk about how 'fun' it was.

[Astrolinium]

You've clearly never been to Yad Vashem.

It's not a place for having fun. The group I was with were all openly sobbing by the time we made it out. If you can "have fun" at Yad Vashem... the museum is probably warning people about people like you.

Oh yes, moral condemnation for not feeling to same as others. One can have a good day with the family at places like that. Its not an either or sort of thing. Thats just being overly sensitive. While Trump's note was garbage and bad PR, you make a bigger deal than should be made out of it.

Nah, man. People don't "have fun" standing on a pile of the burnt shoes of dead children, or watching video footage of men being shot into mass graves. That's not how that works.

[The East Marches II]

Oh yes, moral condemnation for not feeling to same as others. One can have a good day with the family at places like that. Its not an either or sort of thing. Thats just being overly sensitive. While Trump's note was garbage and bad PR, you make a bigger deal than should be made out of it.

Nah, man. People don't "have fun" standing on a pile of the burnt shoes of dead children, or watching video footage of men being shot into mass graves. That's not how that works.

You don't enjoy time with your family in a historical environment? You can be respectful and still have a good time. More moralizing over nothing.

[Conserative Morality]

You don't enjoy time with your family

no

in a historical environment? You can be respectful and still have a good time. More moralizing over nothing.

Memorials are meant for reflection, not 'fun'. As many times as I've been to the Smithsonian, I've had a hell of a lot of fun. I've never had fun at the Holocaust Museum. It's fascinating, but even being the kind of person who makes Holocaust jokes under ordinary circumstances, there are places and times when 'fun' is not what you should be having.

[Astrolinium]

You've clearly never been to Yad Vashem.

It's not a place for having fun. The group I was with were all openly sobbing by the time we made it out. If you can "have fun" at Yad Vashem... the museum is probably warning people about people like you.

No. I couldn't afford that.

'Learning is fun!', as they say. You should strive to have fun, even at Yad Vashem.

Nah, man. People don't "have fun" standing on a pile of the burnt shoes of dead children, or watching video footage of men being shot into mass graves. That's not how that works.

You don't enjoy time with your family in a historical environment? You can be respectful and still have a good time. More moralizing over nothing.

See, Yad Vashem is a place that tries to really make you feel the burden of the Holocaust. They literally put you in gloom and shadow and wind you through a slow, roundabout maze towards the light at the end of a tunnel. I can't possibly describe the experience properly, but the group I went with was absolutely shellshocked for the rest of the day. There's a particular moment where you stand in a room with a glass floor, and under the floor is just a pile of burnt shoes and other little things recovered from the ovens at the camps. The whole point of the museum is to really make you feel with great force the impact of all the lives that the Shoah snuffed out, not as a statistic, but as a collection of individuals -- each one a little world of its own. Yad Vashem's not an ordinary museum. You don't have fun there. Period.

[AiliailiA]

Video footage from Nazi Germany? I don't think so. Video copy of Nazi film perhaps.

EDIT: I've never been to that memorial museum. I've been to the Hiroshima one which is only small, but that was bad enough. The more I hear about how it's guaranteed to make me sad and probably make me really angry too, the less I'm inclined to go.

[Calladan]

So you are saying the only choice is between "loser" and "hero"? Good god you have a limited vocabulary.

1 strawman and 1 personal insult ... what a pathetic rebuttal.

1 deflected argument and 1 personal insult. We could do this all night, but I assume we both have better things to do.

[The East Marches II]

no

Thats a shame tbh

Memorials are meant for reflection, not 'fun'. As many times as I've been to the Smithsonian, I've had a hell of a lot of fun. I've never had fun at the Holocaust Museum. It's fascinating, but even being the kind of person who makes Holocaust jokes under ordinary circumstances, there are places and times when 'fun' is not what you should be having.

That sounds like a personal problem to me. Acting respect is a separate matter from the fun or enjoyment of the day. I find historical sites like that very interesting and I had a good time regardless of what all the moral posturing of the moralizers seem to think the appropriate reason to such a place should be. I'm surprised you aren't siding with UMN in that other thread.

See, Yad Vashem is a place that tries to really make you feel the burden of the Holocaust. They literally put you in gloom and shadow and wind you through a slow, roundabout maze towards the light at the end of a tunnel. I can't possibly describe the experience properly, but the group I went with was absolutely shellshocked for the rest of the day. There's a particular moment where you stand in a room with a glass floor, and under the floor is just a pile of burnt shoes and other little things recovered from the ovens at the camps. The whole point of the museum is to really make you feel with great force the impact of all the lives that the Shoah snuffed out, not as a statistic, but as a collection of individuals -- each one a little world of its own. Yad Vashem's not an ordinary museum. You don't have fun there. Period.

So are plenty of other museums and monuments to tragedy. There are plenty of others like it, I've been to many. For all your talk of tolerance of others, you sure don't like it when your particular set of moral issues aren't treated as you want.

[Galloism]

Inside Source: Paul Ryan ready to betray Donald Trump when politically convenient.

WASHINGTON —House Speaker Paul Ryan has set a Google News alert to notify him of the instant that Donald Trump becomes unpopular enough to turn against, Ryan revealed on Thursday.

The news alert, which Ryan said was set to the phrase “Trump approval rating falls below fifty per cent among Republican voters,” will inform the House Speaker of the precise moment “that I can bail on President Trump at no political cost to me,” Ryan explained.

“There’s this sense out there in the media that Washington is consumed by drama and nothing is getting done,” Ryan told reporters. “I think it’s important for people to know that important things are, in fact, getting done, and setting this Google News alert is one of those things.”

Asked by a reporter when he anticipated turning on Trump, Ryan dismissed that as a hypothetical question, adding, “There is no timetable for my inevitable betrayal of him. Once I receive that Google News alert, it will most likely happen a split second after that.”

Ryan ended his press conference by reassuring the American people that he is hard at work for them. “I am checking my phone every ten—and sometimes every five—minutes,” he said.

[AiliailiA]

1 strawman and 1 personal insult ... what a pathetic rebuttal.

1 deflected argument and 1 personal insult. We could do this all night, but I assume we both have better things to do.

No, you started it. I'd like you to apologize before we drop it.

[Minzerland II]

I see no wrong in having fun at a memorial, honestly. I've had fun on ANZAC day myself, for instance.

There are two problems with this:

1. Yad Veshem being a very particular kind of memorial, and having fun at it being like saying you 'had a blast' watching Hiroshima radiation victims slowly die on film. While as a darkly humorous statement it might be fine, if you actually had fun watching it, there's probably something wrong with you.

2. High-profile visits to serious memorials are generally not appropriate for 'having fun'. A public official doesn't go to pay respects to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and then talk about how 'fun' it was.

There is nothing fun about all those horrible atrocities, but there is always fun to have in making fun of it, making light of it.

'Respect' and 'fun' are not mutually exclusive. I can be respectful and still enjoy myself whilst doing so, which is often the case whenever I marched for the army cadets on ANZAC Day, or when I attended the Dawn Service, or when I visited the RSL.

[The East Marches II]

Inside Source: Paul Ryan ready to betray Donald Trump when politically convenient.

WASHINGTON —House Speaker Paul Ryan has set a Google News alert to notify him of the instant that Donald Trump becomes unpopular enough to turn against, Ryan revealed on Thursday.

The news alert, which Ryan said was set to the phrase “Trump approval rating falls below fifty per cent among Republican voters,” will inform the House Speaker of the precise moment “that I can bail on President Trump at no political cost to me,” Ryan explained.

“There’s this sense out there in the media that Washington is consumed by drama and nothing is getting done,” Ryan told reporters. “I think it’s important for people to know that important things are, in fact, getting done, and setting this Google News alert is one of those things.”

Asked by a reporter when he anticipated turning on Trump, Ryan dismissed that as a hypothetical question, adding, “There is no timetable for my inevitable betrayal of him. Once I receive that Google News alert, it will most likely happen a split second after that.”

Ryan ended his press conference by reassuring the American people that he is hard at work for them. “I am checking my phone every ten—and sometimes every five—minutes,” he said.

I got hyped for a minute. God damn it Gallo.

[Astrolinium]

no

Thats a shame tbh

Memorials are meant for reflection, not 'fun'. As many times as I've been to the Smithsonian, I've had a hell of a lot of fun. I've never had fun at the Holocaust Museum. It's fascinating, but even being the kind of person who makes Holocaust jokes under ordinary circumstances, there are places and times when 'fun' is not what you should be having.

That sounds like a personal problem to me. Acting respect is a separate matter from the fun or enjoyment of the day. I find historical sites like that very interesting and I had a good time regardless of what all the moral posturing of the moralizers seem to think the appropriate reason to such a place should be. I'm surprised you aren't siding with UMN in that other thread.

I'm not "posturing". I, someone who has been to Yad Vashem, am telling you, someone who has not, the reality of what it is and how it affects its visitors. I'm not arguing with you, I am informing you.

Video footage from Nazi Germany? I don't think so. Video copy of Nazi film perhaps.

Much of it was probably filmed by the Nazis, yes -- such as the footage of Nazis laughing and having a good time as they massacred people.

[Camicon]

Inside Source: Paul Ryan ready to betray Donald Trump when politically convenient.

WASHINGTON —House Speaker Paul Ryan has set a Google News alert to notify him of the instant that Donald Trump becomes unpopular enough to turn against, Ryan revealed on Thursday.

The news alert, which Ryan said was set to the phrase “Trump approval rating falls below fifty per cent among Republican voters,” will inform the House Speaker of the precise moment “that I can bail on President Trump at no political cost to me,” Ryan explained.

“There’s this sense out there in the media that Washington is consumed by drama and nothing is getting done,” Ryan told reporters. “I think it’s important for people to know that important things are, in fact, getting done, and setting this Google News alert is one of those things.”

Asked by a reporter when he anticipated turning on Trump, Ryan dismissed that as a hypothetical question, adding, “There is no timetable for my inevitable betrayal of him. Once I receive that Google News alert, it will most likely happen a split second after that.”

Ryan ended his press conference by reassuring the American people that he is hard at work for them. “I am checking my phone every ten—and sometimes every five—minutes,” he said.

Thing is, there's no doubt in my mind that the main thrust of that article is entirely true.

[The East Marches II]

Thats a shame tbh



That sounds like a personal problem to me. Acting respect is a separate matter from the fun or enjoyment of the day. I find historical sites like that very interesting and I had a good time regardless of what all the moral posturing of the moralizers seem to think the appropriate reason to such a place should be. I'm surprised you aren't siding with UMN in that other thread.

I'm not "posturing". I, someone who has been to Yad Vashem, am telling you, someone who has not, the reality of what it is and how it affects its visitors. I'm not arguing with you, I am informing you.

Yes, you are just posturing and moralizing. You are telling me your opinion of how you expect others to act. No different than a conservative really.

[Conserative Morality]

That sounds like a personal problem to me. Acting respect is a separate matter from the fun or enjoyment of the day. I find historical sites like that very interesting and I had a good time regardless of what all the moral posturing of the moralizers seem to think the appropriate reason to such a place should be. I'm surprised you aren't siding with UMN in that other thread.

Each of the three times I went to the Holocaust Museum, all three times I came out pretty shellshocked. Even the time I went in with a close friend with similarly irreverent humor and energy. It's not about moral posturing. It's about what kind of presentation it is. It's like laughing when you watch footage of the corpses being buried after the liberation of Dachau. If you come out of that and say that you had fun, and a great time watching the film, you've both missed the point and likely pointed out something severely wrong with you. If it's on your 'fun times' playlist, there's probably something wrong with you.

Interest and fun are separate concepts.

[AiliailiA]

Video footage from Nazi Germany? I don't think so. Video copy of Nazi film perhaps.

Much of it was probably filmed by the Nazis, yes -- such as the footage of Nazis laughing and having a good time as they massacred people.

I can easily imagine. I've seen such in documentaries.

[Astrolinium]

I'm not "posturing". I, someone who has been to Yad Vashem, am telling you, someone who has not, the reality of what it is and how it affects its visitors. I'm not arguing with you, I am informing you.

Yes, you are just posturing and moralizing. You are telling me your opinion of how you expect others to act. No different than a conservative really.

Please stop trying to be smug and win internet points for your bravado for a few seconds and actually consider what I am saying, would you? I am not arguing with you. I am not trying to persuade you. I have experience in this matter, and you do not, and I am telling you what the reality is. Conserative Morality is telling you what the reality is. This isn't opinion versus opinion. This is fact backed up by experience versus uninformed assumptions on your part.

[Conserative Morality]

There is nothing fun about all those horrible atrocities, but there is fun to have in making fun of it, making light of it.

One does not make high-profile visits to memorials to make light of them, and "I had fun =)))))" is not making light of it anyway.

'Respect' and 'fun' are not mutually exclusive. I can be respectful and still enjoy myself whilst doing so, which is often the case whenever I marched for the army cadets on ANZAC Day, or attended the Dawn Service or visited th e RSL.

"I had fun participating in an event" /=/ "I had fun going through a monument to the most horrific aspects of what was memorialized"

[Calladan]

You don't enjoy time with your family

no

in a historical environment? You can be respectful and still have a good time. More moralizing over nothing.

Memorials are meant for reflection, not 'fun'. As many times as I've been to the Smithsonian, I've had a hell of a lot of fun. I've never had fun at the Holocaust Museum. It's fascinating, but even being the kind of person who makes Holocaust jokes under ordinary circumstances, there are places and times when 'fun' is not what you should be having.

I have never been to a Holocaust museum. The closest I have come to visiting a memorial is taking part in the Armistice Day ceremonies when I was a child. And even then - as a 9/10/11 year old kid - I would not have described that as having fun, or having a good time. Standing in front of a cenotaph, in silence, remembering the sacrifice of those who died during the two wars (keep in mind I was a kid in the 80s, so this was before the more recent wars) is not something I was ever describe as fun, or a good time. And these were men who voluntarily went to fight, not men, women and children who were slaughtered by the millions just because they were different.

Quite how anyone could describe that as fun? As a good time? Good gods above..... The mind boggles.

[AiliailiA]

What Trump wrote in the visitor's book is a trivial thing to be arguing about, but I will say that I'm more appalled by Trump's handwriting than I am by the content!

[The East Marches II]

Yes, you are just posturing and moralizing. You are telling me your opinion of how you expect others to act. No different than a conservative really.

Please stop trying to be smug and win internet points for your bravado for a few seconds and actually consider what I am saying, would you? I am not arguing with you. I am not trying to persuade you. I have experience in this matter, and you do not, and I am telling you what the reality is. Conserative Morality is telling you what the reality is. This isn't opinion versus opinion. This is fact backed up by experience versus uninformed assumptions on your part.

I am not being smug. I am merely pointing out that you are moralizing while preaching that we should accept your "non-mainstream" view in the face of other moralizing. I've toured the death camps myself. I had a good time, why should somebody feel bad for it? Yes there was a tragedy there, yes you can be respectful but that does not preclude somebody from having the fun. I find historical situations like that fascinating and the details intriguing. This is you lecturing to somebody else on how they should behave to fit your moral code.