Trump MAGAthread VI

[Neutraligon]

Trump hasn't been in office for two years. Where have you been?

Campaigning included I believe they mean.

He hasn't torn down anything there either, well except the tax thing (maybe) and that was not a good thing to tear down. In fact it is a stupid thing for him to tear down since if he did have clear taxes it would show that he does not have conflicts of interest or ties to Russia.

[Thermodolia]

Trump hasn't been in office for two years. Where have you been?

Campaigning included I believe they mean.

Ok then he still hasn't changed anything in DC

[Community Values]

Trump hasn't been in office for two years. Where have you been?

Campaigning included I believe they mean.

Has it really been that long?

[The East Marches II]

Campaigning included I believe they mean.

Ok then he still hasn't changed anything in DC

I would disagree with that very much. Say what you will about the man but he will have made his impact on the country for years to come.

[The East Marches II]

Campaigning included I believe they mean.

He hasn't torn down anything there either.

He tore down that vaunted blue wall, the RNC's dominance etc. etc. etc.

[Thermodolia]

Ok then he still hasn't changed anything in DC

I would disagree with that very much. Say what you will about the man but he will have made his impact on the country for years to come.

Well nothing for the better

[The East Marches II]

I would disagree with that very much. Say what you will about the man but he will have made his impact on the country for years to come.

Well nothing for the better

Sure but you get the idea. I should have probably put a disclaimer on the end of that in retrospect.

[Thermodolia]

He hasn't torn down anything there either.

He tore down that vaunted blue wall, the RNC's dominance etc. etc. etc.

One election cycle. And polls are showing that the republicans won't be able to hold on to their power.

[Thermodolia]

Well nothing for the better

Sure but you get the idea. I should have probably put a disclaimer on the end of that in retrospect.

Unless you count rejuvenating the democrats as better

[Nakena]

Let's face it: America's political system and the constitution work best along with small Government. Libertarianism is the way to go.

No thanks.

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

[Great Nepal]

Because the US runs on an outdated and archaic system that insures that even if you don't win, you can still win.

The irony being that that very system was intended to prevent someone like Trump from being elected.

...i mean to be fair, the system as originally envisioned is not terrible. unique, sure but definitely interesting and workable - idea that voters should select group of experts who discuss among themselves to find a candidate is not unreasonable. it just failed to account for prominence of political parties. hell the system still isn't entirely unworkable - it merely requires state's electoral college votes be apportioned proportionally instead of via fptp; since majority wont want issue to go to the house they'll go for compromise candidate.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If you think Trump has changed anything in DC, I got a beachfront property in Nevada to sell you.

He can't. Which is his dilemma, because his supporters wanted a revolution. This has not happened. I cannot happen within the System. The Obama voters of 2008 wanted the same. But in a different way.

In my opinion people want change way too fast these days.

Change, for the first time, happened within the lifetime of a generation (Baby Boomers), that's good and all, but it will take us an equivalent amount of time, to anyone who tries to make any sort of changes in the government, to make the same amount of changes the boomer generation did to their government.

Most people in government burn out because of this "I want change NOW" mentality.

[Corrian]

No thanks.

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

Not a Libertarian, so again, no thanks.

[Neutraligon]

No thanks.

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

The wonderful thing about our system is that it has built in flexibility, unlike your game engine. Not only was it built to do certain tasks well, it was built to change so that other tasks can be taken on and also done well. I am not seeing it fail at health insurance. The entire system was built on having some sort of compromise when it came to those elected. Uncooperative politicians where always going to be a problem that is nothing new and has nothing to do with what load the state is carrying.

[Corrian]

Also, I see Rick Allen of Georgia sucking up to Trump and worrying about the President and White House and "how hard it must be to work in this environment", not, you know, the actual severity of all of this.

[The East Marches II]

He tore down that vaunted blue wall, the RNC's dominance etc. etc. etc.

One election cycle. And polls are showing that the republicans won't be able to hold on to their power.

He won a race that he had no right to win. He showed that certain ideas that were once thought dead, voter groups thought irrelevant, still very much matter at the end of the day. Whether or not the Republicans are capable of learning that or the Democrats adapt to that, is another matter entirely and remains to yet be seen.

[Ashmoria]

how the fuck did we what the

we elected this guy

why

its starting to seem like a bad idea, eh?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No thanks.

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

What kind of history have you read? Because this is not at all how America has been since its inception.

[Dylar]

No thanks.

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

You sure you ain't talking about Communism?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

You sure you ain't talking about Communism?

The founding fathers would be laughing at us right now if they saw how much we have mythologized the shit out of the late 1700s.

[Neutraligon]

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

What kind of history have you read? Because this is not at all how America has been since its inception.

It is kinda funny since the entire system was basically a series of compromises between two or more competing groups. It was never intended to work smoothly. In fact in some ways it was intentionally made to be ponderous since normally that allows people a chance to show whether they like or dislike something the government is doing. That very slowness helps to prevent bad ideas from going through.

[Corrian]

The founding fathers would be laughing at us right now if they saw how much we have mythologized the shit out of the late 1700s.

Weren't they also against organized parties on the level we have now?

[Great Nepal]

how the fuck did we what the

we elected this guy

why

its starting to seem like a bad idea, eh?

Almost as if that governing thing is actually complicated and requires relevant experiences and skill which not every tom, dick or harry possess; and electing populist 'outsiders' with no such experience, promising to solve every problem within days of getting into office is a silly idea.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What kind of history have you read? Because this is not at all how America has been since its inception.

It is kinda funny since the entire system was basically a series of compromises between two or more competing groups. It was never intended to work smoothly. In fact in some ways it was intentionally made to be ponderous since normally that allows people a chance to show whether they like or dislike something the government is doing. That very slowness helps to prevent bad ideas from going through.

I mean the system is basically a bunch of people going "alright fuck it, what's the plan? Throw shit together, make a few amendments, and let's hope and pray it all works? Yes? Alright. Any future problems, you say? How about we keep the amendment process open so that we can cross the river when we get to it? Yea? Perfect! Alright fellas, we have a government!"

[Ism]

No thanks.

America's political system was never intended to carry such a big state machine as it does now.

Imagine it being an game engine who has once been developed to carry out certain tasks. A wonderful and well working system. That is, unless you keep adding things and mods. And more. You have to make workarounds, each time more outlandish hacks to keep it working. That is why it keeps failing at stuff like Health insurance and the likes.

At some point, when it is confronted with a crisis and uncooperative politicians like now, it starts failing.

That is were it stands right now.

Yes, a wonderful system which blundered its way to a civil war, disenfranchised the majority of people for the majority of its history, institutionalized racism, protected slavery, carried out genocide and embraced imperialism. Clearly a system that was "wonderful and well working"