Trump MAGAthread VI

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, because as you have been told numerous times by now, just because something is legal doesn't mean it isn't stupid. We're not mad because what Trump did was illegal, we're mad because it was stupid and destructive, just like almost everything else he's done as president.

If this was destructive, and there is no publicly available information that proves it was, it was likely one of the least destructive things he has done as president. I don't understand the amount of seemingly faux outrage it's generating.

Honestly, it's not even outrage at this point.

It's more of a "well, he's stupid. What else is new at this point?"

[Salandriagado]

I'm mean sharing this info with the Russians, which McMaster stated Trump decided without seeking any advice in the context of the conversation he was having at the time. Oh, and he said it was "appropriate" and that basically Trump didn't have the information necessary to truly compromise the ally, because the intelligence agencies apparently don't give him that.

Thank the lord.

Anyway, the president, who walks around doing stupid shit all the time, did something else stupid, other people are calling it out as stupid. Another day in America.

A former CIA official interviewed on public radio was pissed at Trump, and compared the excuses made for him to Churchill bragging to the Nazis on June 5th that D Day was going to start on the 6th.

Allegedly, that was part of a deliberate campaign to trick the Nazis into moving troops away from the landing grounds (they'd also had a double agent give the Nazis fake locations for the landings).

[Thermodolia]

Agreed.

There are so many real issues, are we really this upset about Trump doing his job in a way he was legally allowed to do it? It makes me sick to think that the united states has reached the point where Donald Trump is president.

But the democrats are not making compelling arguments (echo chambers are fun but kinda pointless) when they attack him on things like this.

I'm mean sharing this info with the Russians, which McMaster stated Trump decided without seeking any advice in the context of the conversation he was having at the time. Oh, and he said it was "appropriate" and that basically Trump didn't have the information necessary to truly compromise the ally, because the intelligence agencies apparently don't give him that.

Thank the lord.

Anyway, the president, who walks around doing stupid shit all the time, did something else stupid, other people are calling it out as stupid. Another day in America.

Now our intelligence agencies will be less willing to give him intelligence. That's not good at all.

[Thermodolia]

Did Trump really ADMIT to it today and say that he had a "right" to send them?

Dude, you just fired the FBI director, and then do that. Right or not, it comes off as extremely freaking suspicious.

I was actually leaning towards trusting McMaster, but then of course Trump comes out and throws that out the window.

Apparently it was an Israeli source.

[Natapoc]

I'm mean sharing this info with the Russians, which McMaster stated Trump decided without seeking any advice in the context of the conversation he was having at the time. Oh, and he said it was "appropriate" and that basically Trump didn't have the information necessary to truly compromise the ally, because the intelligence agencies apparently don't give him that.

Thank the lord.

Anyway, the president, who walks around doing stupid shit all the time, did something else stupid, other people are calling it out as stupid. Another day in America.

Now our intelligence agencies will be less willing to give him intelligence. That's not good at all.

Intelligence agencies need to be careful that they are not perceived as partisan or they risk being dissolved and replaced. I'd rather they be eliminated entirely but this won't happen.

[Natapoc]

Did Trump really ADMIT to it today and say that he had a "right" to send them?

Dude, you just fired the FBI director, and then do that. Right or not, it comes off as extremely freaking suspicious.

I was actually leaning towards trusting McMaster, but then of course Trump comes out and throws that out the window.

Apparently it was an Israeli source.

Was this information shared with you by trump or by another source?

[Thermodolia]

Apparently it was an Israeli source.

Was this information shared with you by trump or by another source?

Though the grapevine. Don't know the truth of it but that's what I'm hearing at the moment.

[Thermodolia]

Now our intelligence agencies will be less willing to give him intelligence. That's not good at all.

Intelligence agencies need to be careful that they are not perceived as partisan or they risk being dissolved and replaced. I'd rather they be eliminated entirely but this won't happen.

I think our intelligence agencies need to discrete with who they share intelligence with. If they feel that the president can't be trusted then they shouldn't have to give them any intelligence and give it to an executive they trust. That's not being partisan that's being prudent.

Eliminating our intelligence community is possibly the dumbest thing you could do

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Now our intelligence agencies will be less willing to give him intelligence. That's not good at all.

Intelligence agencies need to be careful that they are not perceived as partisan or they risk being dissolved and replaced. I'd rather they be eliminated entirely but this won't happen.

Well, the only way they can be dissolved is through act of congress. They would have to repeal the National Security Act of 1947. And that's just not happening. It'd look corrupt as shit for Trump to call for the NSA of 1947 repealed.

And, to be fair, Congress isn't about to do that themselves either.

[Ism]

Intelligence agencies need to be careful that they are not perceived as partisan or they risk being dissolved and replaced. I'd rather they be eliminated entirely but this won't happen.

I think our intelligence agencies need to discrete with who they share intelligence with. If they feel that the president can't be trusted then they shouldn't have to give them any intelligence and give it to an executive they trust. That's not being partisan that's being prudent.

Eliminating our intelligence community is possibly the dumbest thing you could do

Now wait a minute, what exactly has intelligence ever done for us? I say it's more trouble than it's worth. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

[Thermodolia]

I think our intelligence agencies need to discrete with who they share intelligence with. If they feel that the president can't be trusted then they shouldn't have to give them any intelligence and give it to an executive they trust. That's not being partisan that's being prudent.

Eliminating our intelligence community is possibly the dumbest thing you could do

Now wait a minute, what exactly has intelligence ever done for us? I say it's more trouble than it's worth. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

Oh it's bliss right up to the point when you die from nukes

[The East Marches II]

No. Sharing information with the Russians just makes their lives easier. We should be trying to make theirs as difficult as possible.

Making Russians' lives "as difficult as possible" means launching World War III. I'm not sure what makes anything more difficult for them than that.

That be too easy for them. They'd be dead. Its much worse to keep the wallowing in their own poverty and corruption.

[Natapoc]

Now wait a minute, what exactly has intelligence ever done for us? I say it's more trouble than it's worth. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

Oh it's bliss right up to the point when you die from nukes

You're talking about the intelligence agencies that were directly involved in supporting the mujahideen, a move that resulted in direct attacks on the united states by those same groups.

These agencies are more likely to get us into a nuclear war than to save us from one. Of course, trump would not get rid of the intelligence agencies. He'd just reorganize them much as bush did.

[Natapoc]

Making Russians' lives "as difficult as possible" means launching World War III. I'm not sure what makes anything more difficult for them than that.

That be too easy for them. They'd be dead. Its much worse to keep the wallowing in their own poverty and corruption.

Why do you hate the Russian people so much that you wish harm on them?

[Uxupox]

Oh it's bliss right up to the point when you die from nukes

You're talking about the intelligence agencies that were directly involved in supporting the mujahideen, a move that resulted in direct attacks on the united states by those same groups.

These agencies are more likely to get us into a nuclear war than to save us from one. Of course, trump would not get rid of the intelligence agencies. He'd just reorganize them much as bush did.

Honestly I don't know about that. It'd be a quagmire job. Not entirely feasible and most likely suicidal. You'd have to start from the ground up.

[Conserative Morality]

You're talking about the intelligence agencies that were directly involved in supporting the mujahideen, a move that resulted in direct attacks on the united states by those same groups.

Good to see they're still no longer teaching history in the school system. It would be horrid if someone were to be informed.

[The East Marches II]

That be too easy for them. They'd be dead. Its much worse to keep the wallowing in their own poverty and corruption.

Why do you hate the Russian people so much that you wish harm on them?

Because they continually try to upset the world order and cause problems. The only thing they seem to understand is violence and force. We have to speak to them in their own language to inform them of the fact that things have changed.

[Uxupox]

You're talking about the intelligence agencies that were directly involved in supporting the mujahideen, a move that resulted in direct attacks on the united states by those same groups.

Good to see they're still no longer teaching history in the school system. It would be horrid if someone were to be informed.

The guy is not entirely wrong. As the successors to the Mujaheddin did attack the United States and are a current existent threat to US national interests.

[Thermodolia]

Oh it's bliss right up to the point when you die from nukes

You're talking about the intelligence agencies that were directly involved in supporting the mujahideen, a move that resulted in direct attacks on the united states by those same groups.

These agencies are more likely to get us into a nuclear war than to save us from one. Of course, trump would not get rid of the intelligence agencies. He'd just reorganize them much as bush did.

I still support those same intelligence agencies

[Thermodolia]

Good to see they're still no longer teaching history in the school system. It would be horrid if someone were to be informed.

The guy is not entirely wrong. As the successors to the Mujaheddin did attack the United States and are a current existent threat to US national interests.

Yes but we only trained them because we where trying to take out Ivan who was the bigger threat at the time.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Oh it's bliss right up to the point when you die from nukes

You're talking about the intelligence agencies that were directly involved in supporting the mujahideen, a move that resulted in direct attacks on the united states by those same groups.

These agencies are more likely to get us into a nuclear war than to save us from one. Of course, trump would not get rid of the intelligence agencies. He'd just reorganize them much as bush did.

So what?

The CIA and the Reagan administration supported a bunch of oligarchic shitbags down in my own country of origin.

Does that mean I wish the CIA was dissolved? No.

[Uxupox]

The guy is not entirely wrong. As the successors to the Mujaheddin did attack the United States and are a current existent threat to US national interests.

Yes but we only trained them because we where trying to take out Ivan who was the bigger threat at the time.

The stupidity of Operation Cyclone is what had a cascading effect on today's affairs specifically those in the Middle East. We should have not intervened in the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

[Conserative Morality]

The guy is not entirely wrong. As the successors to the Mujaheddin did attack the United States and are a current existent threat to US national interests.

The successors to the Mujahideen largely fought alongside the US forces as part of the Northern Alliance.

May I remind you that the Taliban wasn't even around until '91?

[Natapoc]

You're talking about the intelligence agencies that were directly involved in supporting the mujahideen, a move that resulted in direct attacks on the united states by those same groups.

These agencies are more likely to get us into a nuclear war than to save us from one. Of course, trump would not get rid of the intelligence agencies. He'd just reorganize them much as bush did.

So what?

The CIA and the Reagan administration supported a bunch of fucking shitbags down in my own country of origin.

Does that mean I wish the CIA was dissolved? No.

I think you believe I'm making an argument that I am not.

I did not say that the CIA would be dissolved if they enact the presidents policies.

[The East Marches II]

Yes but we only trained them because we where trying to take out Ivan who was the bigger threat at the time.

The stupidity of Operation Cyclone is what had a cascading effect on today's affairs specifically those in the Middle East. We should have not intervened in the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

Nah, the Soviets could get fucked.