Trump MAGAthread VI

[Uxupox]

I don't know if anyone here knows, but, out of curiosity, what specifically makes information classified, and who has authority over that information? Is it part of the Legislative or Executive Branch?

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... rd/526833/

Code word is beyond Top Secret. It limits access to classified information to a much narrower pool of people to provide an extra layer of security. Many secrets are super-secrets—Harry Truman, as vice president, didn’t know about the Manhattan project. He learned of it only after Franklin Delano Roosevelt died and Truman was sworn in as president. Code word classification is so far off the scale, even fake spies rarely refer to it in the movies. Technically, the president can "declassify" anything he wants, so he did not violate any laws. But as Lawfare notes, if the president tweeted out the nuclear codes, he also wouldn't violate the law—but he would rightly be considered unfit for office.

No such thing as "Beyond top secret" term. A need to know basis? Sure.

[Cattle Mutilators]

It might not have been a country; it is entirely possible that the source was someone from say Russian intelligence who's passing information to US instead, or someone with Syrian government etc . Hell in the worse case, the intelligence could be planted because the source was suspected by their country of passing information to US - something that was just confirmed.

It came from one of the fiveeyes nations.

So probably Britain, given how often it's been MI-5 and MI-6 that have gotten the best intelligence on Islamist terror groups. Which likely means that the source has been utterly, totally, and gruesomely burned by now.

Trump just loves to put that little extra "special" in the "Special Relationship", doesn't he?

[Uxupox]

It came from one of the fiveeyes nations.

So probably Britain, given how often it's been MI-5 and MI-6 that have gotten the best intelligence on Islamist terror groups. Which likely means that the source has been utterly, totally, and gruesomely burned by now.

Trump just loves to put that little extra "special" in the "Special Relationship", doesn't he?

Source?

[Nakena]

I'm not going to believe buzzfeed either, what kind of idiot do you take me for?

The Buzzfeed is known for it's leftist and liberal leanings. So I wanted to give you a different source after you refused Foxnews and Zerohedge as sources.

So just because they are still investigating we are supposed to believe that Hillary did it, yet when we say that the FBI is still investigating the Russian thing it never happened and they are wasting their time.

This is your own interpretation.

We should wait for more to develop before we do anything. It may be a non-starter.

Again, it seems highly convenient that there's been any sort of development in this case just after everyone starts talking about Trump doing a stupid.

If that were so, Hillary would be already in Jail. ^^

[Thermodolia]

Again, it seems highly convenient that there's been any sort of development in this case just after everyone starts talking about Trump doing a stupid.

I'm sorry, Vass, but my tinfoil hat is already dedicated to the other side of the cause. I bless you godspeed and good luck.

You gotta admit that it does seem suspect to put the article out right after Trump admitted to giving the Russians information from an ally most likely a member of fiveeyes. I don't know maybe it's just a coincidence

[Cattle Mutilators]

Welcome to the post-factual era. Where one half of the Population believes something different than the other. But can you deny that the circumstances of his Murder are suspicious? Here, have an article from the buzzfeed. https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexcampbell/s ... tes-report

If not i strongly recommand you to read the Foxnews report. The DC police and the FBI are still investigating.

Come on, You don't think that the FSB or GRU would be beneath whacking a DNC staffer in order to be able to subsequently blame him for the leaks, thereby covering their political operations in the US?

So how does that prove she killed him?

This is far from over. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying Hillary did order the hit. But somebody from her circles and backers might be involved in this.

Which is more likely: That Hillary or her people ordered the murder of a DNC staffer to close the barn door after the horses got out, or that Russian Intelligence killed him for cover?

Intelligence agencies kill people all the time. Politicians, less so. Real life isn't like Scandal, after all...

[Proctopeo]

I'm sorry, Vass, but my tinfoil hat is already dedicated to the other side of the cause. I bless you godspeed and good luck.

You gotta admit that it does seem suspect to put the article out right after Trump admitted to giving the Russians information from an ally most likely a member of fiveeyes. I don't know maybe it's just a coincidence

Hey, weirder coincidences have happened.

[Thermodolia]

I'm not going to believe buzzfeed either, what kind of idiot do you take me for?

The Buzzfeed is known for it's leftist and liberal leanings. So I wanted to give you a different source after you refused Foxnews and Zerohedge as sources.

Again I ask what kind of idiot do you take me for?

Did you honestly think that I'd believe your story just because it came from a left wing site? Some of those left wing sites are the most unreliable sources for news, buzzfeed is one of those.

[Thermodolia]

Welcome to the post-factual era. Where one half of the Population believes something different than the other. But can you deny that the circumstances of his Murder are suspicious? Here, have an article from the buzzfeed. https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexcampbell/s ... tes-report

If not i strongly recommand you to read the Foxnews report. The DC police and the FBI are still investigating.

Come on, You don't think that the FSB or GRU would be beneath whacking a DNC staffer in order to be able to subsequently blame him for the leaks, thereby covering their political operations in the US?

This is far from over. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying Hillary did order the hit. But somebody from her circles and backers might be involved in this.

Which is more likely: That Hillary or her people ordered the murder of a DNC staffer to close the barn door after the horses got out, or that Russian Intelligence killed him for cover?

Intelligence agencies kill people all the time. Politicians, less so. Real life isn't like Scandal, after all...

Or House of Cards. But ya the FSB and GRU both of whom are the successors of the KGB have no trouble killing off loose ends

[Gauthier]

At the rate Trump is fucking up, putting Hillary in prison won't be enough to appease a public generally treating him with velvet gloves. He'll have to arrange her getting shanked in the showers too.

[Cattle Mutilators]

So probably Britain, given how often it's been MI-5 and MI-6 that have gotten the best intelligence on Islamist terror groups. Which likely means that the source has been utterly, totally, and gruesomely burned by now.

Trump just loves to put that little extra "special" in the "Special Relationship", doesn't he?

Source?

Go back and look at the case involving the shipment of bombs to the US disguised as toner cartridges. Also, take a look at the various cases involving the discovery of how Al-Qaeda was developing mixable liquid explosives. Those cases all came from leads developed by British intelligence sources, and most of them could only ultimately be used to thwart bombing attacks after the source had been smuggled out of the Middle East.

[Uxupox]

Source?

Go back and look at the case involving the shipment of bombs to the US disguised as toner cartridges. Also, take a look at the various cases involving the discovery of how Al-Qaeda was developing mixable liquid explosives. Those cases all came from leads developed by British intelligence sources, and most of them could only ultimately be used to thwart bombing attacks after the source had been smuggled out of the Middle East.

Well I can't look if I got no sources.

[Luminesa]

At the rate Trump is fucking up, putting Hillary in prison won't be enough to appease a public generally treating him with velvet gloves. He'll have to arrange her getting shanked in the showers too.

I don't think Ms. Clinton appreciates these kinds of fantasies from you, of all people.

[Calladan]

On the topic of "Codeword" being "beyond top secret", I learned about it from an episode of "The West Wing" so how secret can the concept really be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAPqqfUJEVU

http://communicationsoffice.tripod.com/4-20.txt

[Wallenburg]

On the topic of "Codeword" being "beyond top secret", I learned about it from an episode of "The West Wing" so how secret can the concept really be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAPqqfUJEVU

http://communicationsoffice.tripod.com/4-20.txt

The secrecy applies to the information, not the classification. Otherwise you would never even know "top secret" was a thing.

[Calladan]

On the topic of "Codeword" being "beyond top secret", I learned about it from an episode of "The West Wing" so how secret can the concept really be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAPqqfUJEVU

http://communicationsoffice.tripod.com/4-20.txt

The secrecy applies to the information, not the classification. Otherwise you would never even know "top secret" was a thing.

Sorry - I got the wrong end of the stick when I read "even fake spies rarely refer to it in the movies" -- I thought the quote meant that the existence of the classification was unknown

But hey - a chance to link to a West Wing clip is always welcome!!

[Natapoc]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

[The East Marches II]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

No. Sharing information with the Russians just makes their lives easier. We should be trying to make theirs as difficult as possible.

[Vassenor]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

Because the information came from a source that was shaky to begin with and now might stop passing intel to the US.

Also because it's kind of hypocritical for him to just throw around classified information like that when a big part of his platform was about how Hillary shouldn't be elected because she'd mishandled confidential information.

[Aelex]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

Because people need a reason to whine about Trump but don't particularly care about finding a good one neither.

[Natapoc]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

Because the information came from a source that was shaky to begin with and now might stop passing intel to the US.

This sounds like a very subjective statement. It could apply to almost any Intel. It is also meaningless except as propaganda because it can't be validated, nor can the involved parties explain their reasoning without doing the very thing they are accused of.

[Conserative Morality]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

"Increased cooperation"

I don't think you understand how international politics between two unfriendly powers like the US and Russia works. This is not a matter of 'enemy mine', where we join hands and sing Kumbaya by the fire because mean ol' ISIS is around. Both sides are constantly preparing for the next conflict, seeking to undermine each other in both the current conflict and gather strength to one-up the other in any future clashes. If that means that third parties get hurt, neither side gives a fuck. Any leak exposing a source to the source's ally's rival like this endangers the intel source regardless of any common enemy.

[Natapoc]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

Because the information came from a source that was shaky to begin with and now might stop passing intel to the US.

Also because it's kind of hypocritical for him to just throw around classified information like that when a big part of his platform was about how Hillary shouldn't be elected because she'd mishandled confidential information.

Sorry I replied before your edit.

I think it's a stretch to claim that this is an example of hypocrisy. As president, Trump has the authority to share this information. Hillary did not have the authority to share classified information in the same way.

I also don't understand why conservatives were so upset by Hillary's email use.

[Natapoc]

Am I the only one who does not understand what the big deal is with Trump giving Russia information about ISIS?

Both the US and Russia claim to be fighting ISIS. Isn't sharing information that could lead to increased cooperation against an international terrorist group a good thing?

"Increased cooperation"

I don't think you understand how international politics between two unfriendly powers like the US and Russia works. This is not a matter of 'enemy mine', where we join hands and sing Kumbaya by the fire because mean ol' ISIS is around. Both sides are constantly preparing for the next conflict, seeking to undermine each other in both the current conflict and gather strength to one-up the other in any future clashes. If that means that third parties get hurt, neither side gives a fuck. Any leak exposing a source to the source's ally's rival like this endangers the intel source regardless of any common enemy.

This cold war mentality is part of the problem. I realize it's great for stoking nationalist emotions, but it's nothing more than fear-mongering.

[Ism]

Because the information came from a source that was shaky to begin with and now might stop passing intel to the US.

Also because it's kind of hypocritical for him to just throw around classified information like that when a big part of his platform was about how Hillary shouldn't be elected because she'd mishandled confidential information.

Sorry I replied before your edit.

I think it's a stretch to claim that this is an example of hypocrisy. As president, Trump has the authority to share this information. Hillary did not have the authority to share classified information in the same way.

I also don't understand why conservatives were so upset by Hillary's email use.

As president. Trump had every right to do what he did, legally speaking. That does not mean it was a smart thing to do, a good thing to do or the right thing to do.

"Increased cooperation"

I don't think you understand how international politics between two unfriendly powers like the US and Russia works. This is not a matter of 'enemy mine', where we join hands and sing Kumbaya by the fire because mean ol' ISIS is around. Both sides are constantly preparing for the next conflict, seeking to undermine each other in both the current conflict and gather strength to one-up the other in any future clashes. If that means that third parties get hurt, neither side gives a fuck. Any leak exposing a source to the source's ally's rival like this endangers the intel source regardless of any common enemy.

This cold war mentality is part of the problem. I realize it's great for stoking nationalist emotions, but it's nothing more than fear-mongering.

Being suspicious of Russia, given the current geopolitical climate, is perfectly reasonable and even wise.