Yeah that's where I stopped reading, what a fucking monstrous thing to say.
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by Frenequesta » Sun May 14, 2017 10:51 am
Genivaria wrote:Saiwania wrote:I'll admit as much that I can't wait for Obamacare to fail and it collapsing is exactly what I want. Even better would be if the Republican AHCA becomes law. I anticipate that the AHCA will prove so disastrous that the Democrats will sweep congress in 2018 and 2020 and we'll be getting a single payer system.
There might be a ton of suffering and maybe some death in the interim but it is necessary and it will all be worth it if my long game scenario plays out with clockwork precision. What we absolutely can't have, is the ACA surviving long enough to never go away and the US will be stuck with a private insurer system for decades if not indefinitely.
The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions?
That one?
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 14, 2017 10:53 am
by Ifreann » Sun May 14, 2017 10:54 am
Genivaria wrote:Saiwania wrote:I'll admit as much that I can't wait for Obamacare to fail and it collapsing is exactly what I want. Even better would be if the Republican AHCA becomes law. I anticipate that the AHCA will prove so disastrous that the Democrats will sweep congress in 2018 and 2020 and we'll be getting a single payer system.
There might be a ton of suffering and maybe some death in the interim but it is necessary and it will all be worth it if my long game scenario plays out with clockwork precision. What we absolutely can't have, is the ACA surviving long enough to never go away and the US will be stuck with a private insurer system for decades if not indefinitely.
The one where rape and pregnancies are now pre-existing conditions?
That one?
by Thermodolia » Sun May 14, 2017 11:00 am
Corrian wrote:Saiwania wrote:I'll admit as much that I can't wait for Obamacare to fail and it collapsing is exactly what I want. Even better would be if the Republican AHCA becomes law. I anticipate that the AHCA will prove so disastrous that the Democrats will sweep congress in 2018 and 2020 and we'll be getting a single payer system.
There might be a ton of suffering and maybe some death in the interim but it is necessary and it will all be worth it if my long game scenario plays out with clockwork precision. What we absolutely can't have, is the ACA surviving long enough to never go away and the US will be stuck with a private insurer system for decades if not indefinitely.
I saw a conservative economist (I think?) pretty much say that single payer is pretty much inevitable over the next decade.
by Corrian » Sun May 14, 2017 11:03 am
Thermodolia wrote:I saw a conservative economist (I think?) pretty much say that single payer is pretty much inevitable over the next decade.
by Saiwania » Sun May 14, 2017 11:04 am
Genivaria wrote:Yeah that's where I stopped reading, what a fucking monstrous thing to say.
by Thermodolia » Sun May 14, 2017 11:06 am
by Farnhamia » Sun May 14, 2017 11:12 am
by Saiwania » Sun May 14, 2017 11:15 am
by Ifreann » Sun May 14, 2017 11:32 am
by Frenequesta » Sun May 14, 2017 11:40 am
by Ashmoria » Sun May 14, 2017 11:41 am
Ifreann wrote:Senkaku wrote:mfw can't tell if seriously or ironically asking what's the issue with rape and pregnancy being pre-existing conditions
I'm being serious, but I have a secret hidden agenda.Ashmoria wrote:it allows the insurance company to charge you more for your coverage
Because you'll be more likely to need healthcare which they'll have to cover. This is how insurance works for everything, is it not?Farnhamia wrote:Or to refuse coverage for that condition at all.
That's sounds like more of a problem. Maybe people should lead with that as a criticism.
(Oh noes, my secret agenda is revealed!)
by Ifreann » Sun May 14, 2017 11:45 am
Ashmoria wrote:Ifreann wrote:I'm being serious, but I have a secret hidden agenda.
Because you'll be more likely to need healthcare which they'll have to cover. This is how insurance works for everything, is it not?
That's sounds like more of a problem. Maybe people should lead with that as a criticism.
(Oh noes, my secret agenda is revealed!)
under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.
by Corrian » Sun May 14, 2017 11:50 am
Frenequesta wrote:Remember, we got to run government like a business. Of course, Haley is right that the firing is within Trump's powers, but that was never the issue.
Also, Democrats say no new FBI director until a special prosecutor is appointed. Too bad they can't "let the people decide."
by Ashmoria » Sun May 14, 2017 11:59 am
by Ashmoria » Sun May 14, 2017 12:00 pm
Corrian wrote:Frenequesta wrote:Remember, we got to run government like a business. Of course, Haley is right that the firing is within Trump's powers, but that was never the issue.
Also, Democrats say no new FBI director until a special prosecutor is appointed. Too bad they can't "let the people decide."
...Great, so they're even blatantly saying he's our CEO now? That's lovely.
And is that even within power for Chuck Schumer to do at this point?
Honestly though, and I know Republicans will find a way to disappoint me, I'm not even sure there are enough to be happy with voting in a new one if its too bad of an option, anyway.
by Ifreann » Sun May 14, 2017 12:00 pm
by Saiwania » Sun May 14, 2017 12:08 pm
Ashmoria wrote:under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.
by Gauthier » Sun May 14, 2017 12:13 pm
Saiwania wrote:Ashmoria wrote:under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.
This doesn't make financial sense and is breaking the backs of private insurers if younger and healthier people aren't paying in to a great enough extent. A pre-existing condition will cost more to cover statistically speaking. If an insurer can't charge the full cost of pre-existing conditions on the people who need to collect, then it instead makes all premiums rise in cost across the board for everyone.
by Ashmoria » Sun May 14, 2017 12:58 pm
Saiwania wrote:Ashmoria wrote:under Obamacare you cant charge more for pre-existing conditions.
This doesn't make financial sense and is breaking the backs of private insurers if younger and healthier people aren't paying in to a great enough extent. A pre-existing condition will cost more to cover statistically speaking. If an insurer can't charge the full cost of pre-existing conditions on the people who need to collect, then it instead makes all premiums rise in cost across the board for everyone.
by Thermodolia » Sun May 14, 2017 12:58 pm
Saiwania wrote:It stands to reason that if the German or Swiss models of healthcare costs more than the French model statistically speaking, then it is inferior. There should be no ideological loyalty towards private or public. Whatever system provides the most overall but still costs the least, that is what should be adopted for national health care. If France excels at all three metrics of cost, access, and quality, then they're doing plenty right.
by New haven america » Sun May 14, 2017 1:29 pm
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