Trump MAGAthread VI

[Gauthier]

If there had been discrimination protection in the past Baby Jesus wouldn't have to have been born in a manger.

Actually, all the hotels/inns were full.

Overbooked like United. *nod*

[Ism]

You mean people can refuse to provide Trump supporters with food, water and electricity ?
Intruiging..

I never said the end result would be pleasant in all cases. The invisible hand fills in the ugly blank spots with something better eventually.

Just like how a command economy will rectify any error eventually? It's not great when your're touting a system which will work "eventually". What's next, a police force which eventually answers your call? A fire department which eventually puts out fires? A hospital which eventually treats your disease? Why not have some entity, held accountable by the people, guide that invisible hand of yours, so it will respond to issues more quickly?

[Corrian]

Trump plans to sign the Religous Liberty EO in Tomorrow
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/donald-trump-religious-liberty-executive-order-237888

And will immediately be sued by the ACLU.

[Salandriagado]

You mean people can refuse to provide Trump supporters with food, water and electricity ?
Intruiging..

I never said the end result would be pleasant in all cases. The invisible hand fills in the ugly blank spots with something better eventually.

Because that's exactly how it happened. It's not at all like businesses continued to not allow blacks in right up until they were directly forced to cut their shit, and kept trying to do so afterwards by less blatant means. Not at all.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I barely remember it.

Hobby Lobby was pissed because they didn't want to pay for workers insurance plans if it included abortion services because of misogyny religious objections.

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

[Salandriagado]

Hobby Lobby was pissed because they didn't want to pay for workers insurance plans if it included abortion services because of misogyny religious objections.

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

You aren't. You are paying the government for permission to conduct business within its territory. The government is spending its funds on whatever the fuck it likes. This is no more you paying for abortion services than it would be if your landlord donated money to planned parenthood.

[Valgora]

Hobby Lobby was pissed because they didn't want to pay for workers insurance plans if it included abortion services because of misogyny religious objections.

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

Hobby Lobby also hated paying for contraceptives for their workers because of religious objections.

Hobby Lobby SHOULDN'T be allowed to exempt for religious objections. Why? Because they are a for-profit organization.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

You aren't. You are paying the government for permission to conduct business within its territory. The government is spending its funds on whatever the fuck it likes. This is no more you paying for abortion services than it would be if your landlord donated money to planned parenthood.

We're a democracy, we're supposed to be concerned with how the government spends our money.

And, actually, this would be the employer paying it, not the government.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

Hobby Lobby also hated paying for contraceptives for their workers because of religious objections.

Hobby Lobby SHOULDN'T be allowed to exempt for religious objections. Why? Because they are a for-profit organization.

Why is being a for-profit organization make it illegal for you to have moral qualms?

[New haven america]

Hobby Lobby also hated paying for contraceptives for their workers because of religious objections.

Hobby Lobby SHOULDN'T be allowed to exempt for religious objections. Why? Because they are a for-profit organization.

Why is being a for-profit organization make it illegal for you to have moral qualms?

Because businesses are expected to comply with rules and practices that the government has set up. (Non-profits actually have to too) Also, the majority rules, and the majority wants their job to provide medical benefits like birth control.

Get over it.

[Salandriagado]

You aren't. You are paying the government for permission to conduct business within its territory. The government is spending its funds on whatever the fuck it likes. This is no more you paying for abortion services than it would be if your landlord donated money to planned parenthood.

We're a democracy, we're supposed to be concerned with how the government spends our money.

And, actually, this would be the employer paying it, not the government.

Same difference. It's also a democracy, which means that the majority rules, and contrary to your ridiculous assertion earlier, the majority disagrees with you.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why is being a for-profit organization make it illegal for you to have moral qualms?

Because businesses are expected to comply with rules and practices that the government has set up. (Non-profits actually have to too)

Get over it.

And among those is that you have to pay for something you consider to be literally the worst thing a person could do? Should Hindus be required to serve beef too if they open a butcher's shop?

[United Muscovite Nations]

We're a democracy, we're supposed to be concerned with how the government spends our money.

And, actually, this would be the employer paying it, not the government.

Same difference. It's also a democracy, which means that the majority rules, and contrary to your ridiculous assertion earlier, the majority disagrees with you.

So, again, why should Catholics have to pay for something they consider murder out of their own pocket?

[Ism]

Hobby Lobby was pissed because they didn't want to pay for workers insurance plans if it included abortion services because of misogyny religious objections.

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

You may consider your considerations considered, but if all you have are considerations then why should it matter? You're saying that because you hold a certain belief, you're above the law? That's not acceptable.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

You may consider your considerations considered, but if all you have are considerations then why should it matter? You're saying that because you hold a certain belief, you're above the law? That's not acceptable.

I'm saying the law shouldn't require you to pay for other people to do something you find reprehensible.

[New haven america]

Because businesses are expected to comply with rules and practices that the government has set up. (Non-profits actually have to too)

Get over it.

1. And among those is that you have to pay for something you consider to be literally the worst thing a person could do? 2. Should Hindus be required to serve beef too if they open a butcher's shop?

1. Abortion is not the worst thing a person can do, and yes, they should pay for it.
2. Well, there's no government requirement that they have to, so no. But if there was a government requirement to serve beef, unless they're opening a specifically Indian based butcher shop (Serving Indian food), then yes, they should be required to sell beef.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1. And among those is that you have to pay for something you consider to be literally the worst thing a person could do? 2. Should Hindus be required to serve beef too if they open a butcher's shop?

1. Abortion is not the worst thing a person can do.
2. Well, there's no government requirement that they have to, so no. But if there was a government requirement to serve beef, unless they're opening a specifically Indian based butcher shop, then yes, they should be required to sell beef.

1) Many Christians believe it is pretty damn close. In fact, simply paying for someone else to get an abortion is enough to be automatically excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.

2) Why should that requirement exist?

[New haven america]

1. Abortion is not the worst thing a person can do.
2. Well, there's no government requirement that they have to, so no. But if there was a government requirement to serve beef, unless they're opening a specifically Indian based butcher shop, then yes, they should be required to sell beef.

1) Many Christians believe it is pretty damn close. In fact, simply paying for someone else to get an abortion is enough to be automatically excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.

2) Why should that requirement exist?

1. I'd say psychological torture, physical torture, sexual torture/abuse, and y'know, actual murder to be much worse.
2. IDK, you're the one who brought it up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Vassenor]

Hobby Lobby was pissed because they didn't want to pay for workers insurance plans if it included abortion services because of misogyny religious objections.

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

That's a pretty big generalisation you're making there, matey.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1) Many Christians believe it is pretty damn close. In fact, simply paying for someone else to get an abortion is enough to be automatically excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.

2) Why should that requirement exist?

1. I'd say psychological torture, sexual torture/abuse, and y'know, actual murder of actual people, to be much worse.
2. IDK, you're the one who brought it up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1) Catholics consider it to be actual murder.

Moreover, I would say that forcing people to break their religious codes to run a business is a form of discrimination, by virtue of that it would make people who hold their religious views to be important unable to open a business that employs people.

[Ism]

You may consider your considerations considered, but if all you have are considerations then why should it matter? You're saying that because you hold a certain belief, you're above the law? That's not acceptable.

I'm saying the law shouldn't require you to pay for other people to do something you find reprehensible.

The law shouldn't be based on personal feelings and emotions, but on logic and reason.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

That's a pretty big generalisation you're making there, matey.

In the US at least it's pretty true.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Most Christians consider abortion murder, so, I would say our objections to providing abortion services makes sense, and, no, I don't think we should be forced to pay for what we consider homicide.

That's a pretty big generalisation you're making there, matey.

A true one, however. Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox, along with many Protestant groups consider abortion to be murder.

[Vassenor]

That's a pretty big generalisation you're making there, matey.

A true one, however. Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox, along with many Protestant groups consider abortion to be murder.

Not really. Once you ask the actual people what they think, it gets a lot muddier.

Also consider that there is a difference between "I won't abort because I consider it murder" and "no-one should be allowed to abort because I consider it murder".

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm saying the law shouldn't require you to pay for other people to do something you find reprehensible.

The law shouldn't be based on personal feelings and emotions, but on logic and reason.

There is no such thing as a law code not informed by personal feelings and emotions. Moreover, that still isn't a reason to force people to do something that they think is evil.