by Neu Leonstein » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:14 am
by Risottia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:53 am
by Lady Scylla » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:10 am
Neu Leonstein wrote:So I'm not going to pull out the various statistics, because I'm sure we're all aware by this point. But basically, the US is splitting up more and more into different nations. You have political polarisation, but this is more and more also coinciding with economic polarisation (areas that are contributing a lot to GDP and are connected with the world economy vs everywhere else), geographic polarisation (city vs country), cultural polarisation (educated vs less educated), religious polarisation (various forms of (politicised?) Christianity vs everything else) and even ethnic polarisation. Those different groups are more and more consuming different news and interpreting them in different ways. The world is a very different place depending on which side you ask. Even America is a very different place depending on which side you ask. There seems to be less and less that those sides can agree on, and more and more stuff that can be repurposed as a new front in this conflict.
So far, so trodden out. But if this trend continues, and elections continue to become the main instances of a larger culture war going on, fought out with increasing rancour and occasional instances of violence... how much longer can the US continue to exist as one nation? How do you see this play out in the future? Will there be some sort of cataclysmic event, or will this turn around somehow?
And if it turns around, what do you think would have to happen? What sort of event, or what sort of leader, would be required to bring all these groups back together again?
As for my own view... I'm really unsure at this point. It's hard for me to imagine the US actually falling apart, but it's equally hard for me to imagine a way for these trends to be reversed. That's sorta why I'm asking for opinions.
by Lorkhan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:49 am
by Neu Leonstein » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:54 am
Lorkhan wrote:If the current trend of violent political destabilization continues among the common class, then we are in for a really rough ride. Riots and street groups are forming across the nation, each with the agenda to protect and if necessary enforce their ideology, triggering battles between literal political gangs in our cities. I do not think there is going to be any peace.
If the federal government continues to spiral out of control, then it's just going to be worse.
by Lorkhan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:57 am
Neu Leonstein wrote:Lorkhan wrote:If the current trend of violent political destabilization continues among the common class, then we are in for a really rough ride. Riots and street groups are forming across the nation, each with the agenda to protect and if necessary enforce their ideology, triggering battles between literal political gangs in our cities. I do not think there is going to be any peace.
If the federal government continues to spiral out of control, then it's just going to be worse.
Is there any sort of politician or political platform that could heal some of these divisions and form a more inclusive majority?
by Seleucas » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:51 pm
by San Marlindo » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:55 pm
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Sanctissima » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:59 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:59 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:00 pm
Sanctissima wrote:The obsession with free market Capitalism will result in another inevitable major recession
by Sanctissima » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:03 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:04 pm
by Osnil Returns » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:07 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:11 pm
by Osnil Returns » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:14 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Ashlak wrote:
>Any amount of regulation equals Keynesianism
Hate to disappoint you, but the US has been monetarist since the 70s.
>20 trillion debt
>Big budget
>Stimulus package and bailout programs
>Cronyism
>Interest rates on the floor (sure... monetarism...)
>Three bubbles created since 2000
Hate to disappoint you, but the US has been keynesian since 2000. Or since 1990s, meh.
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:15 pm
Osnil Returns wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:
>20 trillion debt
>Big budget
>Stimulus package and bailout programs
>Cronyism
>Interest rates on the floor (sure... monetarism...)
>Three bubbles created since 2000
Hate to disappoint you, but the US has been keynesian since 2000. Or since 1990s, meh.
The Trump (pun intended) is sounding for the ending of the Keynesian Ideology and returning to Classical common sense.
by Ashlak » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:19 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Ashlak wrote:
>Any amount of regulation equals Keynesianism
Hate to disappoint you, but the US has been monetarist since the 70s.
>20 trillion debt
>Big budget
>Stimulus package and bailout programs
>Cronyism
>Interest rates on the floor (sure... monetarism...)
>Three bubbles created since 2000
Hate to disappoint you, but the US has been keynesian since 2000. Or since 1990s, meh.
by Osnil Returns » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:19 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:21 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:23 pm
Ashlak wrote:>Implying that the weak stimulus package that Obama did amounted to any significant deviance into Keynesian economics
Ashlak wrote:>Implying that the other things you listed aren't just what happens when you practice deregulartion
Ashlak wrote:kek
by The Batorys » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:24 pm
by Ashlak » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:35 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Ashlak wrote:>Implying that the weak stimulus package that Obama did amounted to any significant deviance into Keynesian economics
>Implying 1.5 trillion dollars amounted to 10% of GDP back in 2008Ashlak wrote:>Implying that the other things you listed aren't just what happens when you practice deregulartion
tfw cronyism and bubbles (mainly the 1929, 2001 and 2008) are caused by government and Federal Reserve.Ashlak wrote:kek
kek² at your economical illiteracy
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:38 pm
Ashlak wrote:>He thinks those things are the results of keynesianism and not the natural result of "free market" capitalism
Ashlak wrote:Capitalism ain't the grand meritocracy you think it is, man.
Ashlak wrote:Also, keynesian policies are what helped the US recover from 1929.
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