Judge Allows White Alabama Town to Return to Segregation

[Salandriagado]

1. Okay, then how is it Liberal?
2. Yes, we get on everyone's tail for using Implication Arrows, you're not unique.
So, if you're not using logical fallacies (incorrectly too), then why did you bring up straw? (Which relates to strawman) Also, you keep bringing up :^), which most people on this site know is bait in order to try to get a reaction out of people. Way to help your case...

1. Identity Politics.

This thread is literally about some decidedly right wing identity politics.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

What the fuck is this?

This is utterly fucking stupid.

Was the judge drunk?

Can we resurrect MLK and have him slap the judge in the face?

All black schools is a progressive idea. Just ask Canada. It is just a matter of poor phrasing.

You don't create a school for white students. That is racist. You remove the white students from the school so the black students can have a discrimination-free learning space. That is highly progressive.

Ive been in public schools in Canada. They had black people in them.

Made some really good friend ships with them.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

So non-whites can avoid whites, but whites can't avoid non-whites?

[Vassenor]

So other races can avoid whites, but whites can't avoid other races?

No-one said that. This particular attempt to avoid other races just happens to violate federal law.

[Conserative Morality]

So other races can avoid whites, but whites can't avoid other races?

"Some people don't want to hang around other races, therefore, segregation is okay."

10/10 would return to the 1960s again.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

So other races can avoid whites, but whites can't avoid other races?

No-one said that. This particular attempt to avoid other races just happens to violate federal law.

Fair enough, it's just that for all the complaints about racism, it seems to be the kind of thing that's only considered racist when white people do it.

[Chuching]

This is utterly fucking stupid. . .
Can we resurrect MLK and have him slap the judge in the face?

Martin Luther King Jr. was for non-violent civil disobedience.

[Gyrenaica]

Alright. Seems this town needs liberation. Operation MLK resurrection is a go. Then Operation MLK Insurrection shall be enacted.

[Major-Tom]

But thats not happening.

The root is a sensastionalistic media outlet, sort of like how Breitbart is a sensastionalistic right wing media outlet. Simply put, the judge is not allowing for segregation to return. In fact, if you read what the judge said, it is explicit that segregation will not happen.

"The new school system will have to work out a desegregation plan and appoint at least one African American resident to the city's board of education within 60 days."

Now, does Gardendale perhaps have racist or elitist motives for not wanting to be within the Jefferson County school district? Sure. But when you read through the article, and when I found that no other outlet asides from local outlets and "the root" had covered this, it seems to me that the article the OP linked was sensational.

Remember to read, kids.

[Pope Joan]

I seem to recall this being illegal.

I also doubt our government will actually do anything about it.

What a time to be alive...

Although SCOTUS is economically conservative, it is not necessarily socially conservative.

Besides, they have a strong preference for supporting landmark precedent cases, including Roe v. Wade.

Brown v. Topeka Board certainly qualifies as such a precedent.

I doubt SCOTUSwill let this stand.

[Vassenor]

But thats not happening.

The root is a sensastionalistic media outlet, sort of like how Breitbart is a sensastionalistic right wing media outlet. Simply put, the judge is not allowing for segregation to return. In fact, if you read what the judge said, it is explicit that segregation will not happen.

"The new school system will have to work out a desegregation plan and appoint at least one African American resident to the city's board of education within 60 days."

Now, does Gardendale perhaps have racist or elitist motives for not wanting to be within the Jefferson County school district? Sure. But when you read through the article, and when I found that no other outlet asides from local outlets and "the root" had covered this, it seems to me that the article the OP linked was sensational.

Remember to read, kids.

You'll note we've discussed what's in the actual court document several times, not just what is in the article.

[Major-Tom]

But thats not happening.

The root is a sensastionalistic media outlet, sort of like how Breitbart is a sensastionalistic right wing media outlet. Simply put, the judge is not allowing for segregation to return. In fact, if you read what the judge said, it is explicit that segregation will not happen.

"The new school system will have to work out a desegregation plan and appoint at least one African American resident to the city's board of education within 60 days."

Now, does Gardendale perhaps have racist or elitist motives for not wanting to be within the Jefferson County school district? Sure. But when you read through the article, and when I found that no other outlet asides from local outlets and "the root" had covered this, it seems to me that the article the OP linked was sensational.

Remember to read, kids.

You'll note we've discussed what's in the actual court document several times, not just what is in the article.

Noted and disregarded.

Your title reads; "Judge allows White Alabama Town to Return to Segregation."

That would be appalling and much more newsworthy if that were actually happening. But comparing this to full on racial segregation is like comparing Olive Garden to a luxurious Italian restaurant.

Basically, Gardendale is being stupid and potentially racist/elitist by wanting to separate from Jefferson County. But nowhere in the court document does the Judge say "feel free to segregate." It is explicitly said that she doesn't want that to happen.

[The Lone Alliance]

The rich people already do this, they just send their students to private schools instead.

[Major-Tom]

The rich people already do this, they just send their students to private schools instead.

This too. Gardendale Alabama is not unique. School districts within my own state are divided between poor and rich. The fact that these systems are funded by property taxes within those respective districts shows either heavy classism or extreme idiocy.

[Vassenor]

You'll note we've discussed what's in the actual court document several times, not just what is in the article.

Noted and disregarded.

Your title reads; "Judge allows White Alabama Town to Return to Segregation."

That would be appalling and much more newsworthy if that were actually happening. But comparing this to full on racial segregation is like comparing Olive Garden to a luxurious Italian restaurant.

Basically, Gardendale is being stupid and potentially racist/elitist by wanting to separate from Jefferson County. But nowhere in the court document does the Judge say "feel free to segregate." It is explicitly said that she doesn't want that to happen.

As we have already discussed.

[Major-Tom]

Noted and disregarded.

Your title reads; "Judge allows White Alabama Town to Return to Segregation."

That would be appalling and much more newsworthy if that were actually happening. But comparing this to full on racial segregation is like comparing Olive Garden to a luxurious Italian restaurant.

Basically, Gardendale is being stupid and potentially racist/elitist by wanting to separate from Jefferson County. But nowhere in the court document does the Judge say "feel free to segregate." It is explicitly said that she doesn't want that to happen.

As we have already discussed.

Then why the clickbaity title that misleads people into thinking that this is an active return to segregation?

[Vassenor]

As we have already discussed.

Then why the clickbaity title that misleads people into thinking that this is an active return to segregation?

Because I haven't gotten around to fixing it. Despite your best efforts this isn't actually comparable to the Austrian headscarves thing because I admit that's wrong up there.

[Salus Maior]

*sighs the sigh of a 1000 sighs*

[Jamzmania]

I'm not sure how much race actually has to do with this. The article describes the Jefferson County schools as "struggling" and that several other better-off suburbs have already formed their own school districts. It seems completely plausible that the people of Gardendale simply think that their kids would be better off attending a local school than a supposedly struggling Birmingham school. Even if race was a factor, as long as they follow all the legal procedures, I'm not sure there's any reason to actually stop the creation of the new district. If there are any civil rights violations or other breaches of the law in the actual administration of the school, they can be smacked down by the appropriate authorities.

[New Clearland]

That stupid mother/sister fucking hillbilly judge must have fried his brain with fucking weed or something to think that a segregated school district is a good idea. Fucking redneck.

[Jamzmania]

That stupid mother/sister fucking hillbilly judge must have fried his brain with fucking weed or something to think that a segregated school district is a good idea. Fucking redneck.

It's not a segregated school district. It even states in the article that black students will be attending.

[San Marlindo]

Having been a part of a school district repartitioning process myself, is there any concrete proof that the residents only wanted a separate school district because they support racial segregation?

The fact that the suburb is (predominantly) white while the school district itself is (predominantly) black may very well be circumstantial.

[Northwest Slobovia]

And I really don't get why the judge let it pass despite outwardly stating that it was a move motivated purely by racism.

The judge didn't.

The judge's order is at the end of the file other people have linked to. It reads:

Having considered the record in its entirety, binding precedent from the United States Supreme Court and the Eleventh Circuit, and the practical implications of the available remedies, the Court orders as follows:

1. The Court grants in part and denies in part Gardendale’s motion for separation. For the 2017-2018 school year and until this Court orders otherwise, the Gardendale Board of Education may operate Gardendale Elementary School and Snow Rogers Elementary School. [legal details elided]

2. Counsel for the private plaintiffs and for the United States shall confer with counsel for the Gardendale Board of Education and develop and submit to the Court within 60 days a proposed desegregation order tailored to the specific circumstances of the Gardendale City Schools System. [legal details elided]

3. Should the Gardendale Board of Education operate Gardendale Elementary and Snow Rogers in good faith compliance with the anticipated desegregation order, then in three years, the Court shall consider a renewed motion for operation of a Gardendale municipal system for grades Kindergarten through 12. [legal details follow, but the important parts are a) Gardendale isn't being allowed to set of a segregated school system and b) with what's in 1., they're just being allowed to operate the lower grades of the school system, and that's temporary.]

[several paragraphs elided]

6. Within 60 days, the Gardendale City Council shall appoint at least one African-American resident of the City of Gardendale to the Gardendale Board of Education. [That's hardly "Go ahead, set up a segregrated school district, you red-blooded, God-fearing Americans."]

[several paragraphs elided]

The Court has fashioned these remedies for a number of reasons. The Court is giving the Gardendale Board of Education an opportunity to demonstrate good faith. To date, the Gardendale Board has fallen short, but it is a new board with limited training. [remainder of reasoning]

In short, the judge knows she's working with a bunch of racist fucks, but she's letting them try to show good faith with part of the school system. If they don't, she's reserved the power to take the whole thing back from them.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

All black schools is a progressive idea. Just ask Canada.

We literally do not have these.

[Threlizdun]

Problem in America is that there is massive cultural differences between different ethnic groups.

In other countries where multiple ethnicities live together in harmony either one ethnicity dominates the affairs of the state and have established their identity as having moral ownership of the state thereby enabling other ethnicities to assimilate into their culture or there is some sort of merging of cultures.

African Americans seem to have oppressed themselves with identification as 'Black people in America' rather than 'Americans who happened to be Black'.

The short of it is that either African Americans forget about Africa and start concentrating on America or they forget about America and go back to Africa.

You can't blame people for bringing you over against your will but then when you've got the freedom to go back you choose to stay but demand equality and sometimes even corrective discrimination.

Wow. Simply, wow. Sure, African Americans have faced centuries of slavery, another century of Jim Crow, and have still been subjected to mass-criminalization, employment discrimination, housing discrimination, financial discrimination, and systemic violence to this very day, but clearly they're just asking for discrimination because for some reason they feel like this history of oppression is somehow important to their identity. It's honestly rather incredible that people are capable of taking victim blaming to this degree.