8 Values Political Test

[The Federation of Kendor]

So, how do you think of my views? Also, this cause me to wonder if we can be friendly, given I'm friendly to some communist players here, while I'm a capitalist. Also, I both of our ideologies is an enemy to fascism

I do not agree with your views. Liberalism goes against communism, and has a history of supporting fascism more than communism.

What. What liberalism is actually. Also, what do you mean with supporting fascism. I don't like fascism because of their oppression

[Imperializt Russia]

I do not agree with your views. Liberalism goes against communism, and has a history of supporting fascism more than communism.

What. What liberalism is actually. Also, what do you mean with supporting fascism. I don't like fascism because of their oppression

The United States supported and indeed installed a plethora of fascist authoritarian right-wing governments around the world, notably in South America and the Middle East, in order to oppose the imposition or indeed democratic election of left-wing governments (including socialist, communist and outright Soviet-backed regimes) in those regions, which would be in conflict with American interests.

[Thervingia]

Shrug.

[Kennlind]

Theocratic Socialism
huh, really makes me think.
I'd say I'm a bit less statist and 90% nation on the diplo axis, but societal & econ are spot on.

[Kennlind]

Here are my results https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.5&s=69.2

How do you think of my result?

And as a hater of communism, I don't like your communist views. Also, I saw that your nationalism is concerning. Indeed, national identity is still important. But there are also problems with too much of it, like imperialism to impose that identity and get rid of others, for example. Though I think I like on how you were for peace

what??????
"Indeed, national identity is still important. But there are also problems with too much of it, like imperialism to impose that identity and get rid of others, for example."
seriously? I hate to break it to you, but at least 90% of nationalists don't support imperialism to impose their identity on, and to get rid of, others...

[Brokpastan]

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=92.1&d=73.4&g=75.8&s=84.6
I would say that my results are pretty accurate, though I think my diplomatic axis really should be more toward the world. I also support the abolition of the state to maybe "libertarian" is an understatement.

I think it's mostly accurate, except for economic, I would be closer to 100% Equality. But I am not sure if it will go higher.

And perhaps a little less Progress also, because I don't believe development and technological advancement should happen so fast as it is today, to the detriment of the environment and the creatures of the earth. Most people update their phone and even computer every year... Draining the earth of resources to make these new things.. And filling the oceans and land with discarded objects.. My computer is 10 years old and is working fine.. Progress for the sake of only progress is not good. But social progress for equality and acceptance is important.
https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 1.5&s=76.8

I think I'm gonna be sick.

We can respect each other's views without trying to be hostile ^^

And protecting the environment will make us less sick, not more!

[Gyrenaica]

Here are my results https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.5&s=69.2

[Harzberg]

These are my results: https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.1&s=41.2

[Balloch]

Here are my results. Libertarian socialist, as I thought. The internationalist part surprised me a bit though.
https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 9.6&s=85.2

[Arashi Shoujo]

Scored "autocracy."

[Nouveau Yathrib]

If you go to the spoiler on my signature, you can see my results. Dunno if right-wing populism is accurate though. I'm center-right to right-wing, but I have reservations against democracy, seems a little anti-populism.

Some of the questions are stupid, though, like the one about furthering "my group" and the "hierarchical state is best" (there are more bad questions). Also, my idea of a political compass is 3, not 4-d. They have all three. The tradition vs. progress is unnecessary.

I disagree, the Tradition vs. Progress axis captures a lot of the "liberal vs conservative" divide in social values that the others don't. Liberty vs Authority reflects how much power you think the government should have, Nation vs World has to do with international relations, and Equality vs Markets is the classic left-right economic axis.

[Iron Rangers]

It described me as a democratic socialist. I would describe that label as not quite accurate for my views.

[Imperializt Russia]

It described me as a democratic socialist. I would describe that label as not quite accurate for my views.

What opposition do you feel from that label?

Really, "democratic socialism" is nothing to do with liberal democracy, but more the direct alternative to authoritarian socialism, ie Marxist-Leninism.

[Omnonia]

Libertarian Socialist

[Pax Cybertronian]

Right-wing populism.

[Brocialist]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.1&s=82.6

[Reutoa]

I generally agree with this, but I'd say I like Liberty more than Authority though.
https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 3.1&s=44.4

[Imperializt Russia]

Right-wing populism.

The idea of "populist" as an actual position has always confused me.
Isn't it inherently an insincere position to take?

[Pax Cybertronian]

Right-wing populism.

The idea of "populist" as an actual position has always confused me.
Isn't it inherently an insincere position to take?

In my opinion, it isn't. The definition of populism is about the concerns of the ordinary man and it is anti-elitism. It became significant here when the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. The Conservatives were divided in the vote - our ex-Prime Minister David Cameron supported Remain - and the consensus of Labour was generally to Remain in the EU; only around 10 Labour MPs chose to Leave. Around those times, UKIP - the major populist party - became popular because it supported leaving the European Union, which garnered them a good percentage of the vote if I remember correctly.

[Imperializt Russia]

The idea of "populist" as an actual position has always confused me.
Isn't it inherently an insincere position to take?

In my opinion, it isn't. The definition of populism is about the concerns of the ordinary man and it is anti-elitism. It became significant here when the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. The Conservatives were divided in the vote - our ex-Prime Minister David Cameron supported Remain - and the consensus of Labour was generally to Remain in the EU; only around 10 Labour MPs chose to Leave. Around those times, UKIP - the major populist party - became popular because it supported leaving the European Union, which garnered them a good percentage of the vote if I remember correctly.

Therein lies my objection. "Populist" movements dress themselves in the "concerns of the ordinary man" and "anti-elitism", but wholly insincerely. Farage's UKIP, Trump, and historical fascists.

These populists, whipping up an at-times literally violent fervour (see, skyrocketing hate crime rates in the UK and US) then either get into power or enact changes that blatantly shows them as vote-grabbing liars who are only interested in dismantling the "elites" they don't like and replacing them with their preferred elites, and steamrolling "the ordinary man" at breakneck speed by whoring themselves out to corporate interests.
Much like between today and fascists in the past is, "the ordinary man" seems to have fallen for it and believes that this is all somehow to their benefit.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

In my opinion, it isn't. The definition of populism is about the concerns of the ordinary man and it is anti-elitism. It became significant here when the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. The Conservatives were divided in the vote - our ex-Prime Minister David Cameron supported Remain - and the consensus of Labour was generally to Remain in the EU; only around 10 Labour MPs chose to Leave. Around those times, UKIP - the major populist party - became popular because it supported leaving the European Union, which garnered them a good percentage of the vote if I remember correctly.

Therein lies my objection. "Populist" movements dress themselves in the "concerns of the ordinary man" and "anti-elitism", but wholly insincerely. Farage's UKIP, Trump, and historical fascists.

These populists, whipping up an at-times literally violent fervour (see, skyrocketing hate crime rates in the UK and US) then either get into power or enact changes that blatantly shows them as vote-grabbing liars who are only interested in dismantling the "elites" they don't like and replacing them with their preferred elites, and steamrolling "the ordinary man" at breakneck speed by whoring themselves out to corporate interests.
Much like between today and fascists in the past is, "the ordinary man" seems to have fallen for it and believes that this is all somehow to their benefit.

IIRC, what the 8values versions of left-wing and right-wing populism have in common is a combination of moderate Nationalism (which means representing the interests of ordinary people) and moderate Statism (which I guess represents disdain for the elites, if you consider how it's easier to appreciate civil liberties and constitutional rights when you aren't living paycheck to paycheck).

With right-wing populism the hated "elites" would be "queer-loving tree-hugging globalist SJW champagne socialists", while with left-wing populism the hated "elites" would be "pro-immigration transnational Wall Street/Silicon Valley neo-bourgeois corporate shills" or something like that.

[Silber-Krieger]

I got fascism

[Grand Byelorussia]

[Libertypendence Park]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 0.0&s=45.9

I feel kind of gypped.

[Zarnazia]

Just the way I like it.