8 Values Political Test

[Nouveau Yathrib]

I'm starting to see a trend where everyone who leans towards Markets economically is also more Nationalist diplomacy-wise, but the reverse generally isn't true.

Are there any globalist capitalists out there? Most of the market-oriented people in this thread seem to lean nationalist, even the self-proclaimed libertarians.

[Ardrentt]

I'm starting to see a trend where everyone who leans towards Markets economically is also more Nationalist diplomacy-wise, but the reverse generally isn't true.

Are there any globalist capitalists out there? Most of the market-oriented people in this thread seem to lean nationalist, even the self-proclaimed libertarians.

Well, Neu Leonstein seems to be one, so there's that.

EDIT: Well, I'm wrong, looking through the posts and seeing his. Huh. I guess it's the rhetoric I'd remember him using.

[Community Values]

I'm starting to see a trend where everyone who leans towards Markets economically is also more Nationalist diplomacy-wise, but the reverse generally isn't true.

Are there any globalist capitalists out there? Most of the market-oriented people in this thread seem to lean nationalist, even the self-proclaimed libertarians.

I got globalist and pro-markets.

I don't think I posted in this thread though.

[The Krogan]

Social Liberalism it would seem https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=61.6&d=63.3&g=61.5&s=71.6

Accurate to some degree I guess.

[Arkinesia]

I think the test overrates my “equality/socialist” tendencies because I support consumer protections and single payer healthcare, but whatever.

[Neu Leonstein]

Well, Neu Leonstein seems to be one, so there's that.

EDIT: Well, I'm wrong, looking through the posts and seeing his. Huh. I guess it's the rhetoric I'd remember him using.

I wouldn't say it's wrong. Maybe you remember my embarrassing Randroid days. But seriously, I'm trained as an economist and I think markets are a good way to allocate resources. It's just that I'm also aware of market failures and have had enough experience related to government policy to know that regulations exist to solve particular problems. Matt Levine put it well as always:

I am working on a tentative theory of regulation. It goes like this:

1. There are two kinds of regulations: custom regulations and bulk regulations.
2. A custom regulation is designed to accomplish a particular goal. You want people to do something, so you write a rule mandating that they do it and punishing them if they don't. For instance, if you want U.S. companies to keep jobs in the U.S., you might write a rule to mandate that, and to "impose a 'very major' border tax on companies that move jobs outside the U.S." That is an example of a custom regulation, and it is good because it keeps jobs in the U.S.
3. Bulk regulations are the kind that you buy by the yard, ones that you measure by quantity rather than purpose. They don't have a purpose, really; they are just generic "red tape." These are the regulations that presidents frequently announce they will cut in half, or freeze with an executive order. They're the regulations that come not from a reasoned desire to achieve a particular goal, but from a pure impulse to regulate. Bulk regulations are bad because they prevent businesses from doing business-y things without accomplishing anything good.
4. All regulations are custom regulations.
5. All discussion of "regulation" is about bulk regulations, which do not exist.

The problem is that when you approach a test like this, which is asking generic questions about economics (or rather political economy) instead of asking you to think about specific problems*, then my waffly "well, sometimes this, sometimes that" ends up putting me somewhere close to the centre, with only a slight edging to the right most of the time. It depends on the test, really.

And rhetoric always depends on the discussion... sadly there aren't many good economics discussions on NSG these days. Nowadays it's always about immigrants and nationalism and stuff like that.

* Wouldn't that be a great test? Ask you questions about pricing at Wal-Mart and market making under the Volcker Rule and funding allocations across a few different school districts, and then calculate your score from generalisations based on your responses. I suspect you'd get a lot fewer extremes... those are just the result of people gaming these tests to confirm their team allegiances.

[Narintia]

im a Libertarian Socialist ayyy

[Infected Mushroom]

It says I am a Centrist.

[The Land of the Ephyral]

My results:

[Wallenburg]

Okay. Makes sense to me.

[Ambarii]

Apparently I support autocracy.

[Pope Joan]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 0.8&s=50.3

Liberal, I guess; too bad the term has become so degraded.

But the biggest tendency is anti authoritarian, while it seems to me that modern liberals are all about imposing authority upon others (for their own good, of course)

[The khedivate of Arabia]

http://imgur.com/a/cPkxO

Seems right.

[Gyrenaica]

I accidentally saved image instead of copying (I'm on my iPad.)

Anyway, I got Libertarian Capitalist.

Economic Axis: Market (25.6% Equality/74.4% Wealth)
Diplomatic Axis: Dovish (30.8% Might/69.2% Peace)
Civil Axis: Libertarian (81.3% Liberty/18.7% Authority)
Societal Axis: Neutral (46% Tradition/54% Progress)

[Gages Icelandic Army]

Libertarian. Not surprised. I used to be a left leaning Libertarian, but the reading 1984 by George Orwell has rocked my world. I may have to take it again.

Why would that move you away from left-libertarianism?
1984 was mainly against Totalitarianism in general regardless of spectrum.

Orwell was also a well known Democratic Socialist.

The events described in that book were a result of personal regulation and economic collectivism. So I'm moved further to pure libertarianism whether then leading on one side or the other.

[Gages Icelandic Army]

Libertarian. Not surprised. I used to be a left leaning Libertarian, but the reading 1984 by George Orwell has rocked my world. I may have to take it again.

George Orwell was a socialist, just saying

I know he was. But I believe it is a fallacy to believe that only the authors interpretation of their book is legitimate.

[Democracy of California]

I really like my result.

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 1.9&s=80.1

[Jelmatt]

George Orwell was a socialist, just saying

I know he was. But I believe it is a fallacy to believe that only the authors interpretation of their book is legitimate.

It's a bit strange to be converted from a left-libertarian to a right-libertarian by a book written in support of left-libertarian is all we're saying. (I should note I'm using the terms left-libertarian and right-libertarian very loosely, not strictly referring to libertarian socialism/minarchism)

[Pope Joan]

im a Libertarian Socialist ayyy

On this quiz? How did you manage that? i was aiming for it, but clearly missed the mark.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

I accidentally saved image instead of copying (I'm on my iPad.)

Anyway, I got Libertarian Capitalist.

Economic Axis: Market (25.6% Equality/74.4% Wealth)
Diplomatic Axis: Dovish (30.8% Might/69.2% Peace)
Civil Axis: Libertarian (81.3% Liberty/18.7% Authority)
Societal Axis: Neutral (46% Tradition/54% Progress)

I guess that answered my question. I wonder if it's possible for someone to lean towards both Peace and Authority.

im a Libertarian Socialist ayyy

On this quiz? How did you manage that? i was aiming for it, but clearly missed the mark.

You need higher values for Equality (at least 70) to be considered Socialist. High 50s is Centrist, mid-60s is "Social".

[Gyrenaica]

I accidentally saved image instead of copying (I'm on my iPad.)

Anyway, I got Libertarian Capitalist.

Economic Axis: Market (25.6% Equality/74.4% Wealth)
Diplomatic Axis: Dovish (30.8% Might/69.2% Peace)
Civil Axis: Libertarian (81.3% Liberty/18.7% Authority)
Societal Axis: Neutral (46% Tradition/54% Progress)

I guess that answered my question. I wonder if it's possible for someone to lean towards both Peace and Authority.

What was your question?

[Collatis]

You need higher values for Equality (at least 70) to be considered Socialist. High 50s is Centrist, mid-60s is "Social".

I got Social on the economic axis, and still got Libertarian Socialist.

[Elykyellek]

[Nouveau Yathrib]

I guess that answered my question. I wonder if it's possible for someone to lean towards both Peace and Authority.

What was your question?

I was wondering if there's anyone whose economic views lean towards the market and diplomacy views lean international/globalist, because the vast majority of market-leaning people also tend to be more nationalist.

[Neu Leonstein]

I was wondering if there's anyone whose economic views are lean towards the market and diplomacy views lean international/globalist, because the vast majority of market-leaning people also tend to be more nationalist.

There are a few though. It's just a sign of the times on the internet a little bit, I think, because of the resurgence in edgy reactionary ideology, which made nationalism trendy. A few years ago you would've found quite a large contingent of more free association-type libertarians who wouldn't have put much faith into national governments.

Whether they would've scored high on the globalist scale for tests like this though I'm not sure. Problem is that if you're a hard libertarian and don't trust the government to do anything, questions about international cooperation and multinational organisations aren't going to capture your scepticism about nations as political entities either.