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Postby Soyouso » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:30 pm

...I am actually going to go pray now. This has gone beyond trying to be considerate, now this is just searching for things to be offended by. I have many questions.
What people have actually been offended by people not looking at them all of the time, and when did it become a race issue? Do people really think not making eye contact is the equivalent of calling people racial slurs? Why can't we just go help places that actually suffer from racism instead of calling anything a non 'oppressed' group does "microaggressions"?

This isn't advocating for equality anymore, this is madness.

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:31 pm

Looking somebody in the eye on the streets of New York can be considered an act of aggression, or a threat, no matter what ethnicity is involved.

So maybe do not try this outside of Oxford?
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Postby Jello Biafra » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:34 pm

Soyouso wrote:Why can't we just go help places that actually suffer from racism

Which places do you think don't suffer from racism?

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:35 pm

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Soyouso wrote:Why can't we just go help places that actually suffer from racism

Which places do you think don't suffer from racism?

Can we agree this specifically is absurd though?
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:35 pm

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What about being discriminated against? Like a landlord telling you an apartment has already been rented out because your last name is Hispanic, or you have a "black" first name? These things still happen.

That's illegal, I believe.


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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:36 pm

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Soyouso wrote:Why can't we just go help places that actually suffer from racism

Which places do you think don't suffer from racism?


If you consult Gilberto Freyre's horrible work, Brazil.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:36 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:That's illegal, I believe.


The law is just a piece of paper; practice is a different matter.

Hell didn't Trump do exactly that?
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:37 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Which places do you think don't suffer from racism?

Can we agree this specifically is absurd though?


The fundamental idea is not absurd. The failure to account for legitimate reasons why people are not able to make eye contact is.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:37 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
The law is just a piece of paper; practice is a different matter.

Hell didn't Trump do exactly that?


With blacks, but yeah.
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Postby Bressen » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:38 pm

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Bressen wrote:okay, so it's not sexist because they're including white women alongside white men. that still doesn't remove the fact that it's racist.

Well, a microaggression is the casual degradation of any marginalized group. It is possible that one marginalized group may casually degrade another, but it is more likely that a group that is not marginalized would do the degradation.
(White people can be marginalized, but not on the basis of their race.)

also ''many of them would be judged the same if they were said by another person'' isn't something you can know. you're basically saying you know that the people posting these comments are egalitarian in their complaining about microaggressions.

So you think a comment that "Hispanic people have absolutely no control over their kids" would be judged as being fine if it were said by an Asian woman?

define ''marginalised group''.

it depends on who's judging the comment. i don't claim to know what people think.
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Postby Soyouso » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:38 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
Soyouso wrote:Why can't we just go help places that actually suffer from racism

Which places do you think don't suffer from racism?

Other countries have it far worse. They're not worrying about whether people look at them or not because their lives are in danger. The stuff SJWs worry about is usually harmless, like this.

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:39 pm

Soyouso wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Which places do you think don't suffer from racism?

Other countries have it far worse. They're not worrying about whether people look at them or not because their lives are in danger. The stuff SJWs worry about is usually harmless, like this.


Again, it's not "harmless". Less pressing than other racial matters, certainly, but certainly not harmless at the very same time.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:40 pm

Soyouso wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Which places do you think don't suffer from racism?

Other countries have it far worse. They're not worrying about whether people look at them or not because their lives are in danger. The stuff SJWs worry about is usually harmless, like this.

I'd say there are cases of real harmful racism in the First World. This is not one of them
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:41 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Soyouso wrote:Other countries have it far worse. They're not worrying about whether people look at them or not because their lives are in danger. The stuff SJWs worry about is usually harmless, like this.


Again, it's not "harmless". Less pressing than other racial matters, certainly, but certainly not harmless at the very same time.

You're not being harmed by me avoiding eye contact
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Postby Soyouso » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:42 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Soyouso wrote:Other countries have it far worse. They're not worrying about whether people look at them or not because their lives are in danger. The stuff SJWs worry about is usually harmless, like this.


Again, it's not "harmless". Less pressing than other racial matters, certainly, but certainly not harmless at the very same time.

...Not looking people in the eye causes harm now?
Can you elaborate on what you mean?

And in response to Internationalist, it does exist, but what makes it different is the public outcry when it does happen. Well unless it happens to white people, unfortunately people are apathetic about any racial discimination against white people. People have weird logic.

There are countries that would cause people who oppose racism to face suppression if they spoke out.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:42 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Again, it's not "harmless". Less pressing than other racial matters, certainly, but certainly not harmless at the very same time.

You're not being harmed by me avoiding eye contact


I'm white.
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Postby Jello Biafra » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:43 pm

Bressen wrote:define ''marginalised group''.

"Social exclusion is the process in which individuals or people are systematically blocked from (or denied full access to) various rights, opportunities and resources that are normally available to members of a different group, and which are fundamental to social integration and observance of human rights within that particular group (e.g., housing, employment, healthcare, civic engagement, democratic participation, and due process)."

A marginalized group would be a group that suffers from social exclusion.

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:43 pm

Wait, no, this can work. I have an idea.

If we equate autism with racism, then we can finally classify racism as a form of mental disorder that needs to be treated, just like autism.

Problem solved.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:44 pm

Soyouso wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Again, it's not "harmless". Less pressing than other racial matters, certainly, but certainly not harmless at the very same time.

...Not looking people in the eye causes harm now?
Can you elaborate on what you mean?


Of course I'm not referring to any kind of physical harm, but I believe, consistent with psychological research, that micro-aggressions are psychologically harmful.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:44 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:You're not being harmed by me avoiding eye contact


I'm white.

I'm not race, if I avoid eye contact with you, I'm not harming you
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:45 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Soyouso wrote:...Not looking people in the eye causes harm now?
Can you elaborate on what you mean?


Of course I'm not referring to any kind of physical harm, but I believe, consistent with psychological research, that micro-aggressions are psychologically harmful.

Ok, no. That's just people reading way too much into stupid stuff
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Postby Bressen » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:46 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
Bressen wrote:define ''marginalised group''.

"Social exclusion is the process in which individuals or people are systematically blocked from (or denied full access to) various rights, opportunities and resources that are normally available to members of a different group, and which are fundamental to social integration and observance of human rights within that particular group (e.g., housing, employment, healthcare, civic engagement, democratic participation, and due process)."

A marginalized group would be a group that suffers from social exclusion.

so can you explain to me how non-white people can be marginalised on the basis of their race but white people can't, since social exclusion is not associated to race by this definition.
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Postby Rodez » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:46 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I've mastered a particularly racist gaze and use it to stare down people of color all the time.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:47 pm

Rodez wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I've mastered a particularly racist gaze and use it to stare down people of color all the time.

But do they think you hate them or you're constipated?
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:47 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Of course I'm not referring to any kind of physical harm, but I believe, consistent with psychological research, that micro-aggressions are psychologically harmful.

Ok, no. That's just people reading way too much into stupid stuff


http://news.ucsc.edu/2016/10/byrd-microaggressions.html
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