Do you think that punishing pornographers would right?

[New haven america]

Yeah, it's pure poetry.
I love such idea.

So you support the government going into ever single new electronic device that has a connection to the internet, and installing something to keep me from seeing two people fuck and forcing me to pay 20 fucking dollars just to see people fuck.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

In the words of the Dude: "Fucking fascist!"

That's not how it would work.

Also, I don't get why Chess keeps bringing up human trafficking, considering basically all porn actors chose to do their job. (Hell, no porn company would want to be charged or suspected of human trafficking, that would be a massive hit to their business)

[Excidium Planetis]

Yeah, it's pure poetry.
I love such idea.

So you support the government going into ever single new electronic device that has a connection to the internet, and installing something to keep me from seeing two people fuck and forcing me to pay 20 fucking dollars just to see people fuck.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

In the words of the Dude: "Fucking fascist!"

I don't think that's how it works. They wouldn't install something on devices, they would just have ISPs block access without permission. Way easier to enforce and less intrusive.

[Valgora]

So you support the government going into ever single new electronic device that has a connection to the internet, and installing something to keep me from seeing two people fuck and forcing me to pay 20 fucking dollars just to see people fuck.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

In the words of the Dude: "Fucking fascist!"

I don't think that's how it works. They wouldn't install something on devices, they would just have ISPs block access without permission. Way easier to enforce and less intrusive.

Either way, it's still stupid as fuck.
And the "fucking fascist" reference to The Big Lebowski (fucking great movie by the way) still works.

[Chessmistress]

I don't know the details, but it's described as something pre-installed within all the new devices
http://www.azfamily.com/story/35195078/ ... -pay-a-tax

Lawmakers in about a dozen states are considering a bill that would block pornography from all new phones and computers unless consumers pay up.

Backers of the porn tax plan to introduce it on the federal level this month.

State Rep. Kelly Townsend (R-Mesa) considered sponsoring a version of the bill in Arizona, but the measure was not introduced this session, her staff confirmed.

Supporters say porn is a public health problem and argue that taxing it would help cut down on a range of issues, including sex trafficking.

The Human Trafficking Prevention Act would require that all new internet-connected devices be equipped with a porn filter. Consumers who want to unlock the filter would have to pay a one-time fee of $20 on each device.

The tax would be used to fund groups that fight human trafficking, domestic violence, sexual assault and other issues, according to boilerplate language from the act's supporters.

“What we know about pornography is that it's addictive. It actually affects the brain,” said Kathleen Winn of the Arizona Anti-Trafficking Network.

“Like any drug, like an addiction, you need more and more and more of it to get the same reaction from it as the first time you saw it. So yes, I absolutely believe pornography is contributing to the growing criminal enterprise of sex trafficking.”

That is the situation, actually:

“We have taxes on cigarettes. We have taxes on alcohol. We have taxes on any product that you go and buy. This is a product,” she argued.

A number of state legislatures including South Carolina, Florida, Georgia and Texas are currently considering versions of the Human Trafficking Prevention Act. Lawmakers in North Dakota and Wyoming rejected the measure.

[Philjia]

I don't know the details, but it's described as something pre-installed within all the new devices
http://www.azfamily.com/story/35195078/ ... -pay-a-tax

Lawmakers in about a dozen states are considering a bill that would block pornography from all new phones and computers unless consumers pay up.

Backers of the porn tax plan to introduce it on the federal level this month.

State Rep. Kelly Townsend (R-Mesa) considered sponsoring a version of the bill in Arizona, but the measure was not introduced this session, her staff confirmed.

Supporters say porn is a public health problem and argue that taxing it would help cut down on a range of issues, including sex trafficking.

The Human Trafficking Prevention Act would require that all new internet-connected devices be equipped with a porn filter. Consumers who want to unlock the filter would have to pay a one-time fee of $20 on each device.

The tax would be used to fund groups that fight human trafficking, domestic violence, sexual assault and other issues, according to boilerplate language from the act's supporters.

“What we know about pornography is that it's addictive. It actually affects the brain,” said Kathleen Winn of the Arizona Anti-Trafficking Network.

“Like any drug, like an addiction, you need more and more and more of it to get the same reaction from it as the first time you saw it. So yes, I absolutely believe pornography is contributing to the growing criminal enterprise of sex trafficking.”

That is the situation, actually:

“We have taxes on cigarettes. We have taxes on alcohol. We have taxes on any product that you go and buy. This is a product,” she argued.

A number of state legislatures including South Carolina, Florida, Georgia and Texas are currently considering versions of the Human Trafficking Prevention Act. Lawmakers in North Dakota and Wyoming rejected the measure.

Nobody is buying their porn. This is a surcharge, not tax And what of erotic drawn art; much of it distributed by hobbyists for no monetary gain?

[Excidium Planetis]

I don't know the details, but it's described as something pre-installed within all the new devices
http://www.azfamily.com/story/35195078/ ... -pay-a-tax

That's stupid and would never work. People would just use old devices, refurbished devices, or foreign devices which don't have the filter. Either that or hack their device.

Having ISPs block access would be universally applied, no worry about old or foreign devices lacking the filter.

[Chessmistress]

Nobody is buying their porn. This is a surcharge, not tax And what of erotic drawn art; much of it distributed by hobbyists for no monetary gain?

I don't know the details.
In Sweden there's actually a massive survey about sexuality: the government is worried about people having less sex than in the past.
Results are expected to be published in 2019.
I bet 1,000 $ that they'll find a correlation between pornography and the lack of sex, and they'll crack on porn. Harshly, not so lightly as asking 20 $.

[Valgora]

“We have taxes on cigarettes. We have taxes on alcohol. We have taxes on any product that you go and buy. This is a product,” she argued.

A number of state legislatures including South Carolina, Florida, Georgia and Texas are currently considering versions of the Human Trafficking Prevention Act. Lawmakers in North Dakota and Wyoming rejected the measure.

The number of people who pay money for porn is very, very low.
Perhaps nearly non-existent.

I go to Pornhub and XVideos and don't pay a single cent.
I'm never going to spend the $1 or whatever for the premium version of Pornhub.

It's not a sales tax. You can't fucking tax porn from websites that don't have you pay for it.

[New haven america]

Nobody is buying their porn. This is a surcharge, not tax And what of erotic drawn art; much of it distributed by hobbyists for no monetary gain?

I don't know the details.
In Sweden there's actually a massive survey about sexuality: the government is worried about people having less sex than in the past.
Results are expected to be published in 2019.
I bet 1,000 $ that they'll find a correlation between pornography and the lack of sex, and they'll crack on porn. Harshly, not so lightly as asking 20 $.

Or maybe it's the fact that most developed countries are having problems with getting people to have sex and reproduce, mainly because of economic and social reasons...

Oh wait, that makes too much sense and goes against the radfem narrative, never mind...

[New Grestin]

You know, I could go on a long diatribe about the ethics of punishing porn, but I'll just go for the Occam's Razor approach here.

Frankly, the idea of punishing pornographers is just a load of authoritarian prudish bullshit. It's effectively unenforceable and only exists to curtail the basic human freedom of sexual autonomy. Sure, you could jail some big-shot porn producer, but what does that actually accomplish?

Oh, sure. You made yourself feel good. You scored some points with the Feminist crowd.

You also just wasted an immeasurable amount of government funds on fining and putting someone behind bars that, at least in the United States, would likely not be able to find work afterwards and potentially be forced into the vicious cycle of the prison industrial complex. You also just put a number of people out of work who now will have trouble finding jobs, along with the very women you're pretending to give equality to, who could have lucrative and economically rewarding careers in pornography ruined. Porn is an industry. Destroying it could put a lot of folks out of work, including the women within it, especially if they have careers.

It's a waste of time, money, and energy, and that's not even getting into how morally bankrupt governments like those of the States in the USA could exploit those laws for political gain. You can say that's implausible, but it's readily apparent that governments can and will exploit any avenue to maintain control, up to and including a hypothetical porn criminalization.

[Philjia]

Nobody is buying their porn. This is a surcharge, not tax And what of erotic drawn art; much of it distributed by hobbyists for no monetary gain?

I don't know the details.

Of what? How much people spend on porn, or drawn erotica? (If the latter, the short comic Feeling Box represents what I consider to be a good example. Obviously don't go looking for it if it's illegal for you to do so in your country. It's pornographic. Use your head.)

[Thermodolia]

A website that's against porn couldn't possibly have gotten their hands on biased studies.

Also Utah, South Dakota, and Virginia aren't bastions of liberalism. Hell Utah is full of religiously conservative Mormons so they believe that porn is bad because their god says it is

Do you know that there's a bill in 12-13 states in USA that would block porn in all new computers/tablets/mobiles unless the user pays $20 to unlock it (the $20 can be paid just only by adults and are meant to fund the new filter in all devices), do you know it, right?

And that's fucking dumb and it's not motivated by feminism but by right wing conservatives you hate on for "expanding the patriarchy"

[Thermodolia]

“We have taxes on cigarettes. We have taxes on alcohol. We have taxes on any product that you go and buy. This is a product,” she argued.

A number of state legislatures including South Carolina, Florida, Georgia and Texas are currently considering versions of the Human Trafficking Prevention Act. Lawmakers in North Dakota and Wyoming rejected the measure.

Sin taxes are stupid. Also the republicans will lose almost everything if they try and pull this.

One more thing Georgia isn't considering anything because the state legislature isn't in session for the year

[Valgora]

Sin taxes are stupid. Also the republicans will lose almost everything if they try and pull this.

One more thing Georgia isn't considering anything because the state legislature isn't in session for the year

For some reason, this reminds me of a joke news thing I saw posted on Instgram.
It said something about Trump wanting to ban porn.
I commented on it: "It's because he doesn't need porn because he has his daughter." Which is a reference to some of the creepy things he said about Ivanka.

[Costa Fierro]

In Sweden there's actually a massive survey about sexuality: the government is worried about people having less sex than in the past.

Because the government has embraced feminism to the extent that men simply aren't masculine enough anymore. Swedish women are turning to men from overseas because of how effeminate men are in Sweden thanks to the wholesale adoption of feminist policies and the demonisation of men.

I bet 1,000 $ that they'll find a correlation between pornography and the lack of sex, and they'll crack on porn. Harshly, not so lightly as asking 20 $.

Nope. Pornography has nothing to do with how many times someone has sex. In fact, pornography can help improve a couple's sex life by adding a bit of spice into the bedroom, opening up dialogue and helping both of them understand about what attracts them to their partners and what physical aspects of their partner that they find sexually attractive.

[Chestaan]

I never understood the whole "porn encourages violence against women" thing. Like all porn? How about gay porn? Does that encourage violence against men?

[Valaran]

Nope.

[Veceria]

Hell no. It's art!

[Costa Fierro]

Frankly, the idea of punishing pornographers is just a load of authoritarian prudish bullshit. It's effectively unenforceable and only exists to curtail the basic human freedom of sexual autonomy. Sure, you could jail some big-shot porn producer, but what does that actually accomplish?

It's interesting that there's two different approaches to how to stop the objectification of women: some want to ban pornography and some want to walk around naked.

I prefer the naked ones.

[Costa Fierro]

I never understood the whole "porn encourages violence against women" thing. Like all porn? How about gay porn? Does that encourage violence against men?

Something something Gloria Steinem something something "master and slave" something something I can't be arsed digging Chess' post up from a few pages back.

[Salandriagado]

A website that's against porn couldn't possibly have gotten their hands on biased studies.

Also Utah, South Dakota, and Virginia aren't bastions of liberalism. Hell Utah is full of religiously conservative Mormons so they believe that porn is bad because their god says it is

Do you know that there's a bill in 12-13 states in USA that would block porn in all new computers/tablets/mobiles unless the user pays $20 to unlock it (the $20 can be paid just only by adults and are meant to fund the new filter in all devices), do you know it, right?

Will be entirely and completely ineffective, even if passed.

[Gauthier]

Do you know that there's a bill in 12-13 states in USA that would block porn in all new computers/tablets/mobiles unless the user pays $20 to unlock it (the $20 can be paid just only by adults and are meant to fund the new filter in all devices), do you know it, right?

Will be entirely and completely ineffective, even if passed.

Ransomware as law. Hilarious.

[Salandriagado]

Will be entirely and completely ineffective, even if passed.

Ransomware as law. Hilarious.

It's more that you are trying to implement security systems where the person you expect to be the attacker has unlimited unsupervised physical access to the machine.

[Gauthier]

Ransomware as law. Hilarious.

It's more that you are trying to implement security systems where the person you expect to be the attacker has unlimited unsupervised physical access to the machine.

Not to mention there's already various methods for people to bypass Adult Verification checks on porn sites and those would be adapted for this ransomware bill.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Nobody is buying their porn. This is a surcharge, not tax And what of erotic drawn art; much of it distributed by hobbyists for no monetary gain?

I don't know the details.
In Sweden there's actually a massive survey about sexuality: the government is worried about people having less sex than in the past.
Results are expected to be published in 2019.
I bet 1,000 $ that they'll find a correlation between pornography and the lack of sex, and they'll crack on porn. Harshly, not so lightly as asking 20 $.

Frankly, they might be worried about false rape accusations. While the lower barriers to reporting make more genuine victims feel comfortable coming forward, it stands to reason more pretent victims would as well; this is the same country that brought us Assange's accusers after all.

In any case, it stands to reason that a side-benefit of this would be a reduction in pregnancy and STDs.

Not that there was ever any excuse for censorship anyway. Either you believe in freedom of speech or you don't.