Do you think that punishing pornographers would right?

[Romanum Dominium]

Gay and solo male porn don't exist?

Gloria Steinem

On the issue of same-sex pornography, Steinem asserts, "Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography including male-male gay pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

I don't think that solo porn is a relevant percentage.

There's quite a lot of porn that features "enslaved man and mistress". In fact, now that I think about it, there may even be "enslaved man and master" and "enslaved woman and mistress"! Shocking!

Maybe Steinman doesn't know what she's talking about?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Gloria Steinem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

I don't think that solo porn is a relevant percentage.

There's quite a lot of porn that features "enslaved man and mistress". In fact, now that I think about it, there may even be "enslaved man and master" and "enslaved woman and mistress"! Shocking!

Maybe Steinman doesn't know what she's talking about?

Ohhhhh there's a lot of both trust me

[New haven america]

Besides mandatory condoms and requirements for regular clear STD tests, here is a list of things banned from porn in the UK

- infliction of pain or acts which may cause lasting physical harm

- sexual activity which involves real or apparent lack of consent

- penetration by any object associated with violence

- sexual threats, humiliation or abuse which do not form part of a clearly consenting role-playing game

- any form of physical restraint which prevents participants from indicating a withdrawal of consent

- material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in sexually abusive activity which may include adults role-playing as non-adults

The guidelines are non-exhaustive and subject to interpretation.

Sounds like BDSM porn is stuck in a bit of a limbo in the UK, if that's the case.

I thought it was illegal already illegal in the UK...

[Cetacea]

Sounds like BDSM porn is stuck in a bit of a limbo in the UK, if that's the case.

I thought it was illegal already illegal in the UK...

it is BDSM that leaves lasting harm is illegal to do, under porn las its also illegal for actos based in the UK to simulate and possible even illegal to possess. The discretion comes as to whether light whipping is the same as serious caning

[Arkinesia]

If porn drove all men to rape, why isn't there a rape apocalypse all over the world? I've watched porn and I haven't felt like raping the first woman that gets close to me.

Never said that porn drove all men to rape: I think that porn tend to make men watching it behaving worse towards women, treating us more as objects than human beings.
The effects is probably close to zero on some men, barely relevant on some other men, relevant but far away from droving them to rape on some other men, even more relevant but still not enough to drove them to commit rape on some other men, and, finally, droving some men to commit rape. Probably those who are droven by porn to commit rape were already sexist and misogynists, but still less than before becoming porn consumers. And so on.

In which case, the problem is not porn.

[Lady Scylla]

Gloria Steinem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

I don't think that solo porn is a relevant percentage.

There's quite a lot of porn that features "enslaved man and mistress". In fact, now that I think about it, there may even be "enslaved man and master" and "enslaved woman and mistress"! Shocking!

Maybe Steinman doesn't know what she's talking about?

Likely the case.

[Lady Scylla]

I thought it was illegal already illegal in the UK...

it is BDSM that leaves lasting harm is illegal to do, under porn las its also illegal for actos based in the UK to simulate and possible even illegal to possess. The discretion comes as to whether light whipping is the same as serious caning

Then it isn't BDSM -- it's just abuse. A dom takes great care in ensuring safety of the sub. Items used during play must be adjusted, and have quick releases (such as rope bondage); cues and safewords must be set, and even then, the dom must observe the sub at all times for any sign of distress or injury such as nerve damage or circulatory problems. Being careless can get your sub killed or severely injured.

[Baltenstein]

Nooooooooooooooooo

Goddammit, Great Britain! You can't leave us alone with just the American and German stuff! We demand good BDSM porn with English, Welsh and Scottish accents

Bestiality porn would really take things too far...

Gloria Steinem

On the issue of same-sex pornography, Steinem asserts, "Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography including male-male gay pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

By that logic all forms of sex, regardless of gender, are an imitation of the "male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm" and therefore misogynist.

[Wolfsnacht]

Golly, I do still remember the times when wanting to illegalize pornography was a conservative-reactionary idea that was more frequently touted by proponents on what's generally labeled "patriarchy" by modern feminist firebrands.

It feels like the world has been flipped around, doesn't it?

[Thermodolia]

Gay and solo male porn don't exist?

Gloria Steinem

On the issue of same-sex pornography, Steinem asserts, "Whatever the gender of the participants, all pornography including male-male gay pornography is an imitation of the male-female, conqueror-victim paradigm, and almost all of it actually portrays or implies enslaved women and master."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_St ... ornography

I don't think that solo porn is a relevant percentage.

Well she's a homophobic asshole

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Define "pornographer." Does it include someone who hires porn stars, or also someone who films their own sex acts? What of the drawn stuff?

[Costa Fierro]

There was a thing on the news today about renewed calls for an investigation into pornography with a poll conducted saying something like 71% of New Zealanders believe it's bad for society and 42% said it was indicative of or supported rape culture.

And I cannot for the life of me find anything about it online.

[Thermodolia]

There was a thing on the news today about renewed calls for an investigation into pornography with a poll conducted saying something like 71% of New Zealanders believe it's bad for society and 42% said it was indicative of or supported rape culture.

And I cannot for the life of me find anything about it online.

This is all I could find https://foreignaffairs.co.nz/2017/04/30 ... ards-poll/

[Costa Fierro]

There was a thing on the news today about renewed calls for an investigation into pornography with a poll conducted saying something like 71% of New Zealanders believe it's bad for society and 42% said it was indicative of or supported rape culture.

And I cannot for the life of me find anything about it online.

This is all I could find https://foreignaffairs.co.nz/2017/04/30 ... ards-poll/

That would probably be it. I couldn't get in because for some reason my internet safety shit says it's "not secure". Which is funny because I never have problems with porn sites.

[Thermodolia]

This is all I could find https://foreignaffairs.co.nz/2017/04/30 ... ards-poll/

That would probably be it. I couldn't get in because for some reason my internet safety shit says it's "not secure". Which is funny because I never have problems with porn sites.

It did the same for my I just ignored it

[Chessmistress]

Speaking of New Zealand, that could be interesting:
http://porninquiry.nz/

Social scientists, clinical psychologists, biologists and neurologists are now beginning to understand the psychological and biological negative effects of viewing pornography both online and through the media and video games. They show that men who view pornography regularly have a higher tolerance for abnormal sexuality, including rape, sexual aggression, and sexual promiscuity. Prolonged consumption of pornography results in stronger perceptions of women as commodities or as ‘sex objects’.

Pornography has a damaging effect on intimacy, love, and respect and at its worst, leads to sex role stereotyping, viewing persons as sexual objects, and family breakdown. Research has also shown that children who are exposed to pornography develop skewed ideas about sex and sexuality, which lead to negative stereotypes of women, sexual activity at a young age, and increased aggression in boys.

In November 2016, Young New Zealanders Viewing Sexual Violence, the latest research report from the Office of Film and Literature Classification found that teenagers think that inaccurate depictions or misrepresentations of sexual violence in entertainment media are potentially harmful. Harms identified included normalisation, perpetuation of harmful stereotypes, negative impacts on victim/survivors, and being negatively influenced by behaviour seen on screen.

Early last year, the deputy chief censor called for the government to put more options on the table for regulating online pornography, saying “Given New Zealand’s acknowledged problems with sexual and family violence and the demonstrated harm caused by pornography that degrades, dehumanises and demeans people (particularly women), the choice for Government and regulators, must be about how far we are willing to intervene — rather than whether we are prepared to intervene at all.”

Concerns about the health harms of porn are gaining traction around the world. The Canadian parliament has unanimously agreed to investigate the “public health effects” of “violent and degrading sexually explicit material on adults and children” who easily view it on the Internet. Legislators in Israel have approved a bill that would block all porn in Israel unless people ask to view it. In 2016, the Utah House of Representatives became the first legislative body in the United States to pass a resolution declaring pornography “a public health hazard leading to a broad spectrum of individual and public health impacts and societal harms.” (UPDATE: South Dakota, Arkansas and Virginia have recently passed new measures, joining Utah as states that now view porn as a public health crisis.) Canada has also commissioned a study into the negative impacts of Internet pornography.

You guys keep thinking that my views are outdated, but it might be the other way around...

[Costa Fierro]

No, they are outdated. This is being pushed by Family First, who are also against abortion rights and gay marriage.

[Thermodolia]

Speaking of New Zealand, that could be interesting:
http://porninquiry.nz/

Social scientists, clinical psychologists, biologists and neurologists are now beginning to understand the psychological and biological negative effects of viewing pornography both online and through the media and video games. They show that men who view pornography regularly have a higher tolerance for abnormal sexuality, including rape, sexual aggression, and sexual promiscuity. Prolonged consumption of pornography results in stronger perceptions of women as commodities or as ‘sex objects’.

Pornography has a damaging effect on intimacy, love, and respect and at its worst, leads to sex role stereotyping, viewing persons as sexual objects, and family breakdown. Research has also shown that children who are exposed to pornography develop skewed ideas about sex and sexuality, which lead to negative stereotypes of women, sexual activity at a young age, and increased aggression in boys.

In November 2016, Young New Zealanders Viewing Sexual Violence, the latest research report from the Office of Film and Literature Classification found that teenagers think that inaccurate depictions or misrepresentations of sexual violence in entertainment media are potentially harmful. Harms identified included normalisation, perpetuation of harmful stereotypes, negative impacts on victim/survivors, and being negatively influenced by behaviour seen on screen.

Early last year, the deputy chief censor called for the government to put more options on the table for regulating online pornography, saying “Given New Zealand’s acknowledged problems with sexual and family violence and the demonstrated harm caused by pornography that degrades, dehumanises and demeans people (particularly women), the choice for Government and regulators, must be about how far we are willing to intervene — rather than whether we are prepared to intervene at all.”

Concerns about the health harms of porn are gaining traction around the world. The Canadian parliament has unanimously agreed to investigate the “public health effects” of “violent and degrading sexually explicit material on adults and children” who easily view it on the Internet. Legislators in Israel have approved a bill that would block all porn in Israel unless people ask to view it. In 2016, the Utah House of Representatives became the first legislative body in the United States to pass a resolution declaring pornography “a public health hazard leading to a broad spectrum of individual and public health impacts and societal harms.” (UPDATE: South Dakota, Arkansas and Virginia have recently passed new measures, joining Utah as states that now view porn as a public health crisis.) Canada has also commissioned a study into the negative impacts of Internet pornography.

You guys keep thinking that my views are outdated, but it might be the other way around...

A website that's against porn couldn't possibly have gotten their hands on biased studies.

Also Utah, South Dakota, and Virginia aren't bastions of liberalism. Hell Utah is full of religiously conservative Mormons so they believe that porn is bad because their god says it is

[Chessmistress]

A website that's against porn couldn't possibly have gotten their hands on biased studies.

Also Utah, South Dakota, and Virginia aren't bastions of liberalism. Hell Utah is full of religiously conservative Mormons so they believe that porn is bad because their god says it is

Do you know that there's a bill in 12-13 states in USA that would block porn in all new computers/tablets/mobiles unless the user pays $20 to unlock it (the $20 can be paid just only by adults and are meant to fund the new filter in all devices), do you know it, right?

[Excidium Planetis]

Can't we all agree that it doesn't make sense that if I agree to pay someone to have sex with me, I can get arrested, but if I agree to pay someone to have sex with me on camera, it's protected free speech?

[Valgora]

Speaking of New Zealand, that could be interesting:
http://porninquiry.nz/

Social scientists, clinical psychologists, biologists and neurologists are now beginning to understand the psychological and biological negative effects of viewing pornography both online and through the media and video games. They show that men who view pornography regularly have a higher tolerance for abnormal sexuality, including rape, sexual aggression, and sexual promiscuity. Prolonged consumption of pornography results in stronger perceptions of women as commodities or as ‘sex objects’.

Pornography has a damaging effect on intimacy, love, and respect and at its worst, leads to sex role stereotyping, viewing persons as sexual objects, and family breakdown. Research has also shown that children who are exposed to pornography develop skewed ideas about sex and sexuality, which lead to negative stereotypes of women, sexual activity at a young age, and increased aggression in boys.

In November 2016, Young New Zealanders Viewing Sexual Violence, the latest research report from the Office of Film and Literature Classification found that teenagers think that inaccurate depictions or misrepresentations of sexual violence in entertainment media are potentially harmful. Harms identified included normalisation, perpetuation of harmful stereotypes, negative impacts on victim/survivors, and being negatively influenced by behaviour seen on screen.

Early last year, the deputy chief censor called for the government to put more options on the table for regulating online pornography, saying “Given New Zealand’s acknowledged problems with sexual and family violence and the demonstrated harm caused by pornography that degrades, dehumanises and demeans people (particularly women), the choice for Government and regulators, must be about how far we are willing to intervene — rather than whether we are prepared to intervene at all.”

Concerns about the health harms of porn are gaining traction around the world. The Canadian parliament has unanimously agreed to investigate the “public health effects” of “violent and degrading sexually explicit material on adults and children” who easily view it on the Internet. Legislators in Israel have approved a bill that would block all porn in Israel unless people ask to view it. In 2016, the Utah House of Representatives became the first legislative body in the United States to pass a resolution declaring pornography “a public health hazard leading to a broad spectrum of individual and public health impacts and societal harms.” (UPDATE: South Dakota, Arkansas and Virginia have recently passed new measures, joining Utah as states that now view porn as a public health crisis.) Canada has also commissioned a study into the negative impacts of Internet pornography.

You guys keep thinking that my views are outdated, but it might be the other way around...

I don't think your views are outdated.
They're just stupid, idiotic views.

[Valgora]

A website that's against porn couldn't possibly have gotten their hands on biased studies.

Also Utah, South Dakota, and Virginia aren't bastions of liberalism. Hell Utah is full of religiously conservative Mormons so they believe that porn is bad because their god says it is

Do you know that there's a bill in 12-13 states in USA that would block porn in all new computers/tablets/mobiles unless the user pays $20 to unlock it (the $20 can be paid just only by adults and are meant to fund the new filter in all devices), do you know it, right?

What the actual fuck?
20 fucking dollars to allow myself to watch porn while that 20 fucking dollars is being used to pay for the censorship!!!!

[Chessmistress]

Do you know that there's a bill in 12-13 states in USA that would block porn in all new computers/tablets/mobiles unless the user pays $20 to unlock it (the $20 can be paid just only by adults and are meant to fund the new filter in all devices), do you know it, right?

What the actual fuck?
20 fucking dollars to allow myself to watch porn while that 20 fucking dollars is being used to pay for the censorship!!!!

Yeah, it's pure poetry.
I love such idea.
A good portion is even for the victims of human trafficking, and that's even better.

[New haven america]

A website that's against porn couldn't possibly have gotten their hands on biased studies.

Also Utah, South Dakota, and Virginia aren't bastions of liberalism. Hell Utah is full of religiously conservative Mormons so they believe that porn is bad because their god says it is

Do you know that there's a bill in 12-13 states in USA that would block porn in all new computers/tablets/mobiles unless the user pays $20 to unlock it (the $20 can be paid just only by adults and are meant to fund the new filter in all devices), do you know it, right?

Source?

[Valgora]

What the actual fuck?
20 fucking dollars to allow myself to watch porn while that 20 fucking dollars is being used to pay for the censorship!!!!

Yeah, it's pure poetry.
I love such idea.

So you support the government going into ever single new electronic device that has a connection to the internet, and installing something to keep me from seeing two people fuck and forcing me to pay 20 fucking dollars just to see people fuck.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

In the words of the Dude: "Fucking fascist!"