Do you think that punishing pornographers would right?

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) Hitmen would certainly disagree. Also, human rights are really no different than just another moralistic system, so that argument isn't really any stronger than mine for banning prostitution.
B) "People do illegal things more often", basically; Okay, so banning murder therefore means more murder, so we should legalize murder.
C) You're the one who said you love corruption earlier in the thread, so I don't see why you think I'm more of a Putin-lover than you.

A. Is killing people bad: Yes. Should it be done: No. Doesn't really seem subjective to me.
B. Yet again, murder does this little thing called infringing on people's rights, sex doesn't.
C. Never said I love corruption, so mind finding a source for this claim?

A) Why is killing people bad?
B) Rights are an artificial creation, they do not really exist except for legalistic purposes.
C)

I know I was

And isn't corruption fun?

I enjoy a little corruption every now and again.

[Valgora]

A. Is killing people bad: Yes. Should it be done: No. Doesn't really seem subjective to me.
B. Yet again, murder does this little thing called infringing on people's rights, sex doesn't.
C. Never said I love corruption, so mind finding a source for this claim?

A) Why is killing people bad?
B) Rights are an artificial creation, they do not really exist except for legalistic purposes.
C)

And isn't corruption fun?

I enjoy a little corruption every now and again.

I think you're taking the corruption quote out of context.

[New haven america]

A. Is killing people bad: Yes. Should it be done: No. Doesn't really seem subjective to me.
B. Yet again, murder does this little thing called infringing on people's rights, sex doesn't.
C. Never said I love corruption, so mind finding a source for this claim?

A) Why is killing people bad?
B) Rights are an artificial creation, they do not really exist except for legalistic purposes.
C)

And isn't corruption fun?

I enjoy a little corruption every now and again.

A. Because maybe most people don't want to end their existence or have their existence ended without their control.
B. then why have humans come up with these things called "Universal rights."
C. >The joke










>Your head

[Galloism]

I mean, you could go down the path that personal freedoms are not important and the state has a duty to protect people from their own irresponsibility by taking over their decision making for them, but the logical conclusion thereof is absurd and the cure likely worse than the disease.

There would be no prostitution, but there would be forced procreation with your government assigned mate.

Probably, yes.

I was thinking more mundane things though, like the sugar gestapo. After all, above certain quantities, sugar is quite destructive to the person eating it, so if we're going to have the government protect people from themselves, we would need to sharply ration sugar and ensure no one gets more than the safe dose.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) Why is killing people bad?
B) Rights are an artificial creation, they do not really exist except for legalistic purposes.
C)

I think you're taking the corruption quote out of context.

I think that moral corruption is just as bad as financial corruption, so I don't think it's very different. Both destroy the foundation of civilization.

[Cetacea]

I think that the website we are discussing that involves a p at the beginning and ends in hub has the largest number of videos.

A hundred million choices, and they're all the same or all shit.

Pornhub uses view tracking to identify most viewed clips and your own viewing history and thus predict your personal 'taste in porn', so if the porn you're viewing is generic then you can blame your neighbours (and your own choices) since they have influenced the algorithm to overload your menu options with Hot step-sisters and lesbian gangbangs.

Fortunately Pornhub encrypts their connections by default so even though an ISP can sell the fact that you visit the site they can't tell exactly what it is you are looking for.

Ironically it was Republicans who passed legislation to allow ISP to sell customer viewing histories only to then learn that during last years Republican Convention Cleveland had a 184% spike in porn views - Republicans like porn

[Galloism]

I think you're taking the corruption quote out of context.

I think that moral corruption is just as bad as financial corruption, so I don't think it's very different. Both destroy the foundation of civilization.

Yeah, I remember people complaining about the moral corruption of society when those darn liberals eliminated the old moral way of deciding guilt: trial by combat.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) Why is killing people bad?
B) Rights are an artificial creation, they do not really exist except for legalistic purposes.
C)

A. Because maybe most people don't want to end their existence or have their existence ended without their control.
B. then why have humans come up with these things called "Universal rights."
C. >The joke










>Your head

A) That doesn't make it bad.
B) Since you're an atheist, do you mind if I use that argument for the existence of God? After all, why else would people have come up with it? I'm sorry, that's a terrible argument. It's just another form of argumentum ad populum.

[Gauthier]

Most porn is not too different from a gymnastics routine, they're that predictable.

[Galloism]

Most porn is not too different from a gymnastics routine, they're that predictable.

Gymnasts would be lucky to be as flexible as porn actresses.

[New haven america]

A. Because maybe most people don't want to end their existence or have their existence ended without their control.
B. then why have humans come up with these things called "Universal rights."
C. >The joke










>Your head

A) That doesn't make it bad.
B) Since you're an atheist, do you mind if I use that argument for the existence of God? After all, why else would people have come up with it? I'm sorry, that's a terrible argument. It's just another form of argumentum ad populum.

A. Yes it does. Just like how having sex without people's consent is bad, and psychologically harming.
B. I'm not an atheist though, but good try though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) That doesn't make it bad.
B) Since you're an atheist, do you mind if I use that argument for the existence of God? After all, why else would people have come up with it? I'm sorry, that's a terrible argument. It's just another form of argumentum ad populum.

A. Yes it does. Just like how having sex without people's consent is bad, and psychologically harming.
B. I'm not an atheist though, but good try though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A) Prove that it makes it morally wrong.
B) My mistake. But, still it is a stupid argument. People have thought up various ideas that are completely daft. Just look at the entire political career of Ronald Reagan.

[New haven america]

A. Yes it does. Just like how having sex without people's consent is bad, and psychologically harming.
B. I'm not an atheist though, but good try though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A) Prove that it makes it morally wrong.
B) My mistake. But, still it is a stupid argument. People have thought up various ideas that are completely daft. Just look at the entire political career of Ronald Reagan.

A. Well, would you want someone to end your existence without your consent?
B. Uh, most people agree that Reagan was a terrible President, the only people who like him are GOP members, who's main goal seems to be making everyone else's lives harder.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) Prove that it makes it morally wrong.
B) My mistake. But, still it is a stupid argument. People have thought up various ideas that are completely daft. Just look at the entire political career of Ronald Reagan.

A. Well, would you want someone to end your existence without your consent?
B. Uh, most people agree that Reagan was a terrible President, the only people who like him are GOP members, who's main goal seems to be making everyone else's lives harder.

A) No, but me not wanting it doesn't make it bad or morally wrong.
B) That's hilariously inaccurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Re ... ical_image

Reagan has some of the highest approval ratings in retrospect of any president, despite his fiscal irresponsibility.

[Aethrys]

That moment when feminism starts looking like it's a real contender for upsetting Islamic fundamentalism as the ideology most oppressive to women.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That moment when feminism starts looking like it's a real contender for upsetting Islamic fundamentalism as the ideology most oppressive to women.

Humans are innately evil do to our free will, and, as a result, require a strong, guiding hand to keep us under control.

[Bressen]

A. Well, would you want someone to end your existence without your consent?
B. Uh, most people agree that Reagan was a terrible President, the only people who like him are GOP members, who's main goal seems to be making everyone else's lives harder.

A) No, but me not wanting it doesn't make it bad or morally wrong.
B) That's hilariously inaccurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Re ... ical_image

Reagan has some of the highest approval ratings in retrospect of any president, despite his fiscal irresponsibility.

A) it entirely depends on what you view as a source of morally. murder can be viewed as morally wrong based on the consensus that people don't want to be murdered. ultimately, any attempts to boil something down to morally wrong or morally right are pretty pointless because of how subjective sources of morality are, so you can only really make legislation based on consensus.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) No, but me not wanting it doesn't make it bad or morally wrong.
B) That's hilariously inaccurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Re ... ical_image

Reagan has some of the highest approval ratings in retrospect of any president, despite his fiscal irresponsibility.

A) it entirely depends on what you view as a source of morally. murder can be viewed as morally wrong based on the consensus that people don't want to be murdered. ultimately, any attempts to boil something down to morally wrong or morally right are pretty pointless because of how subjective sources of morality are, so you can only really make legislation based on consensus.

A) Unless you think the consensus is wrong, and wrong enough that there needs to be a fight about it, as there has been many times in history. Moreover, many times in history, the consensus was that killing people was okay or even good.

[New haven america]

A. Well, would you want someone to end your existence without your consent?
B. Uh, most people agree that Reagan was a terrible President, the only people who like him are GOP members, who's main goal seems to be making everyone else's lives harder.

A) No, but me not wanting it doesn't make it bad or morally wrong.
B) That's hilariously inaccurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Re ... ical_image

Reagan has some of the highest approval ratings in retrospect of any president, despite his fiscal irresponsibility.

A. Yes it does, you have the right to not have your existence ended if you don't want it to, and people doing so would make them morally wrong.
B. You're pulling info from almost 2 decades ago, trust me, most educated American's don't like him (Though, that number appears to be rather small, bloody Trump. >_>)

[Bressen]

A) it entirely depends on what you view as a source of morally. murder can be viewed as morally wrong based on the consensus that people don't want to be murdered. ultimately, any attempts to boil something down to morally wrong or morally right are pretty pointless because of how subjective sources of morality are, so you can only really make legislation based on consensus.

A) Unless you think the consensus is wrong, and wrong enough that there needs to be a fight about it, as there has been many times in history. Moreover, many times in history, the consensus was that killing people was okay or even good.

if you think the consensus is wrong then maybe you should try and convince people that it's wrong. if they're not convinced, then maybe what you're saying isn't very convincing. likewise, if you do convince them, what you're saying is convincing. humans are pretty stupid, so if you wanna manipulate them it's not terribly hard (religions have been doing it for years afterall)

the consensus is malleable, but once it takes a new shape it's pretty reluctant to snap back into it's old one - hence why the consensus on killing people (presumably for no reason since you didn't give a reason) has changed and remained as ''killing people is pretty bad''. unless, of course, someone particularly convincing comes along and fucks up the shape and rebuilds it.

[KrakenCo]

Pornography is a choice made by many people to make money, many people who are intelligent and beautiful. It creates an atmosphere where people can shamelessly enjoy kinks and fetishes. It can introduce people to such things. Hell, porn helped me discover my sexuality, and I'm sure many others as well. So no, porn should remain legal and not face fines

Though there are some porn videos that should be banned. Bestial ones.

This is right. Most porn is legal (straight, gay, lesbian, etc.)

But shit like that should just be outright criminalized.
(im looking at you, furries)

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) No, but me not wanting it doesn't make it bad or morally wrong.
B) That's hilariously inaccurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Re ... ical_image

Reagan has some of the highest approval ratings in retrospect of any president, despite his fiscal irresponsibility.

A. Yes it does, you have the right to not have your existence ended if you don't want it to.
B. You're pulling info from almost 2 decades ago, trust me, most educated American's don't like him (Though, that number appears to be rather small, bloody Trump. >_>)

A) Again, find concrete proof that killing people is wrong.
B) As a sitting president, Reagan did not have the highest approval ratings,[376] but his popularity has increased since 1989. Gallup polls in 2001 and 2007 ranked him number one or number two when correspondents were asked for the greatest president in history. Reagan ranked third of post–World War II presidents in a 2007 Rasmussen Reports poll, fifth in an ABC 2000 poll, ninth in another 2007 Rasmussen poll, and eighth in a late 2008 poll by British newspaper The Times.[377][378][379] In a Siena College survey of over 200 historians, however, Reagan ranked sixteenth out of 42.[380][381] While the debate about Reagan's legacy is ongoing, the 2009 Annual C-SPAN Survey of Presidential Leaders ranked Reagan the 10th greatest president. The survey of leading historians rated Reagan number 11 in 2000.[382]


Approval ratings for President Reagan (Gallup)
In 2011, the Institute for the Study of the Americas released the first ever British academic survey to rate U.S. presidents. This poll of British specialists in U.S. history and politics placed Reagan as the eighth greatest U.S. president.[383]

But, just keep moving the goalposts.

Also, Reagan had higher approval ratings than both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama while in office.

[New haven america]

A. Yes it does, you have the right to not have your existence ended if you don't want it to.
B. You're pulling info from almost 2 decades ago, trust me, most educated American's don't like him (Though, that number appears to be rather small, bloody Trump. >_>)

A) Again, find concrete proof that killing people is wrong.
B) As a sitting president, Reagan did not have the highest approval ratings,[376] but his popularity has increased since 1989. Gallup polls in 2001 and 2007 ranked him number one or number two when correspondents were asked for the greatest president in history. Reagan ranked third of post–World War II presidents in a 2007 Rasmussen Reports poll, fifth in an ABC 2000 poll, ninth in another 2007 Rasmussen poll, and eighth in a late 2008 poll by British newspaper The Times.[377][378][379] In a Siena College survey of over 200 historians, however, Reagan ranked sixteenth out of 42.[380][381] While the debate about Reagan's legacy is ongoing, the 2009 Annual C-SPAN Survey of Presidential Leaders ranked Reagan the 10th greatest president. The survey of leading historians rated Reagan number 11 in 2000.[382]


Approval ratings for President Reagan (Gallup)
In 2011, the Institute for the Study of the Americas released the first ever British academic survey to rate U.S. presidents. This poll of British specialists in U.S. history and politics placed Reagan as the eighth greatest U.S. president.[383]

But, just keep moving the goalposts.

Also, Reagan had higher approval ratings than both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama while in office.

A. Well, do you want your existence to be ended?
B. Wasn't moving the goal post, most obvious data shown was from 2001, you should've been clearer on what you were showing.

[KrakenCo]

Most porn is not too different from a gymnastics routine, they're that predictable.

Gymnasts would be lucky to be as flexible as porn actresses.

cough cough mia malkova

[United Muscovite Nations]

A) Again, find concrete proof that killing people is wrong.
B) As a sitting president, Reagan did not have the highest approval ratings,[376] but his popularity has increased since 1989. Gallup polls in 2001 and 2007 ranked him number one or number two when correspondents were asked for the greatest president in history. Reagan ranked third of post–World War II presidents in a 2007 Rasmussen Reports poll, fifth in an ABC 2000 poll, ninth in another 2007 Rasmussen poll, and eighth in a late 2008 poll by British newspaper The Times.[377][378][379] In a Siena College survey of over 200 historians, however, Reagan ranked sixteenth out of 42.[380][381] While the debate about Reagan's legacy is ongoing, the 2009 Annual C-SPAN Survey of Presidential Leaders ranked Reagan the 10th greatest president. The survey of leading historians rated Reagan number 11 in 2000.[382]


Approval ratings for President Reagan (Gallup)
In 2011, the Institute for the Study of the Americas released the first ever British academic survey to rate U.S. presidents. This poll of British specialists in U.S. history and politics placed Reagan as the eighth greatest U.S. president.[383]

But, just keep moving the goalposts.

Also, Reagan had higher approval ratings than both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama while in office.

A. Well, do you want your existence to be ended?
B. Wasn't moving the goal post, most obvious data shown was from 2001, you should've been clearer on what you were showing.

A) How does that prove that it is wrong? What people want is entirely irrelevant to the question of "Is a certain action morally correct". Consequentialism is a bunk moral ideology; if actions are not good and bad by virtue of their own merit, then actions do not have moral value.
B) You changed it from "Most people think Reagan was a bad president" to "Most educated people think he was a bad president".