Do you think that punishing pornographers would right?

[Ifreann]

Pornography should be illegal. The producers produced pornography just to satisfy some pervert people's demands of watching perverted things, exploiting them for money. They also used various tactics to attract new customers who don't watch pornography before to watch them, again just for money. The producers must be punished for making pornos

Are you aware that what you're describing is basically capitalism? Some people wanted something. Some other people offered it to them in exchange for money. Money was given, products were received, and all was well. Some of the money was used to attract more customers. The "something" you're talking about is porn, but it could as easily be plates or parsnips or pedicures. The only difference is that pornographic publications(websites, magazines) also make money from advertisers.

[Chessmistress]

The most I'll grant Chess is this: People, especially young people, can definitely pick up some wrong ideas about how sex and sexual relationships actually work from watching porn. But the answer to this isn't to try to criminalise porn, rather it is to teach kids about the differences in their sex ed classes.

It doesn't happen just only "to kids".
And kids are already not allowed to watch pornography (even if it's unenforceable). I agree with the ed for kids, but it isn't enough.

[Imperializt Russia]

The most I'll grant Chess is this: People, especially young people, can definitely pick up some wrong ideas about how sex and sexual relationships actually work from watching porn. But the answer to this isn't to try to criminalise porn, rather it is to teach kids about the differences in their sex ed classes.

It doesn't happen just only "to kids".
And kids are already not allowed to watch pornography (even if it's unenforceable). I agree with the ed for kids, but it isn't enough.

People are products of their upbringing.

If children receive shit sex ed from state schooling (which approximately 190% of children do), and little from their parents, then they will need better sex ed later in life - what you suggest.
This rather ignores the fact that we could fix it by... giving better sex ed in school?

[Great Minarchistan]

And kids are already not allowed to watch pornography

Taxpayers can't avoid taxes, too.

[Ifreann]

The most I'll grant Chess is this: People, especially young people, can definitely pick up some wrong ideas about how sex and sexual relationships actually work from watching porn. But the answer to this isn't to try to criminalise porn, rather it is to teach kids about the differences in their sex ed classes.

It doesn't happen just only "to kids".

Obviously, but kids are generally the ones in school and so would be in a position to be taught these things.

And kids are already not allowed to watch pornography (even if it's unenforceable).

Exactly. Better that they be taught before they are allowed to watch porn, so that when they do start they are forearmed with some ability to identify realism or a lack of it in what they're watching.

I agree with the ed for kids, but it isn't enough.

I'd be in favour of an awareness campaign aimed at getting the same information across to adults in general, but I can't see that ever being as effective as a thorough sex ed curriculum.

[Unrepentant Piracy]

Personally I think, too, that pornography is encouraging, even worse: teaching, violence against women.
But I'm also a very pragmatic person: I don't think that it could be possible, nor even totally fair since attitudes are very slow to change and in such case too many men need time beore accepting the idea.
I think that a good first step would be criminalizing the rich producers, not the users: it would be quite similar to what happened in so many countries regarding prostitution, the first step was criminalizing pimps and not the johns, giving a lot (even too much) time to johns to understand that it was a bad thing.
In the case of pornography I think that we should follow the same path.

What do you think, NSGs?

Since I really care about understanding what is the opinion of the majority, there's a poll, with almost all possible answers.

I don't support the idea of banning the entire industry because it has certain... negative tendencies. Instead, correct the tendencies. Problem solved.


And let me ask you this: You want to ban ALL pornographic materials, or just shit that you don't like? That's either going to be entirely unenforceable and create a new product for enterprising hustlers to sell in the streets, or be entirely subjective.

Not only do I think it's a bad idea, it's just not feasible, and the environment it would create would make shit even worse for people.

And another thing! Are you talking about purely big-budget "mainstream" porn? If not, prove that problems exist with other forms of pornography.

[Esternial]

Personally I think, too, that pornography is encouraging, even worse: teaching, violence against women

I disagree with the notion porn teaches violence against women, in the same way I disagree with the notion games teach violence.

Why not spend your efforts trying to adress other ACTUAL causes of violence?

Certain kinds of porn might be a contributing factor in muddling some troubled minds, but the underlying cause - the troubled mind - is not adressed by getting rid of porn. Porn is not the sole impulse with a (marginal?) potential to incite violence in the violence-prone. None of this anti-porn rhetoric is a significant contribution to society.

It's an insignificant symptom of a much larger syndrome. Treating symptoms one-by-one is one approach, but it's not very reliable. Case in point: the same approach is used for treating sepsis and it's still one of the leading causes of death worldwide, so take a lesson from this syndrome and stop wasting everyone's time.

[Vodahmin]

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:
"And believe you me, this is a huge industry, worth a lot of money."


"I'm sure that you're right on such point.
That's why I wrote RICH producers."

Ah yes rich people are the devil incarnate.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Pornography is free speech, and as long as it's made between consenting adults then it should exist for other adults to view.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

[Souseiseki]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

but what if the prohibitions on prostitution are also stupid

[Philjia]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

I don't want conformity, I want choice.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

but what if the prohibitions on prostitution are also stupid

[Valgora]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

Doesn't mean it should be illegal.

In fact, prostitution should be legal.

[New haven america]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

I don't want conformity, I want choice.

You will take your lack of choice and deal with it. *Nod*

[Randsbeik]

but what if the prohibitions on prostitution are also stupid

All Voluntary™ McPorn™ for 19.73 Bitcoin!

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

Doesn't mean it should be illegal.

In fact, prostitution should be legal.

>socialist flag
>literally supports ancap policies
wew lad

[Bressen]

Doesn't mean it should be illegal.

In fact, prostitution should be legal.

>socialist flag
>literally supports ancap policies
wew lad

so only ancaps can support the voluntary exchange of services?

[Ifreann]

Doesn't mean it should be illegal.

In fact, prostitution should be legal.

>socialist flag
>literally supports ancap policies
wew lad

You mean people with different views on government and economics sometimes support the same policies? Good heavens. This is so incongruous I might reference a meme.

[Galloism]

It's literally filmed prostitution, I'm surprised so many so-called feminists support something which demeans women in such a way.

but what if the prohibitions on prostitution are also stupid

You may value personal choice and liberty. You will be attacked as a right wing antifeminist and leftist moral degenerate simultaneously.

[United Muscovite Nations]

>socialist flag
>literally supports ancap policies
wew lad

so only ancaps can support the voluntary exchange of services?

Only ancaps support something that disproportionately harms people both psychologically and economically. Only a tiny minority of prostitution is brought out without economic or even physical coercion.

[Galloism]

Only a tiny minority of prostitution is brought out without economic or even physical coercion.

[Citation Needed]

[New haven america]

Doesn't mean it should be illegal.

In fact, prostitution should be legal.

>socialist flag
>literally supports ancap policies
wew lad

You do realize that banning it will just: A) Make people want it more, B. Give the Pimps more power over their workers, and C. Makes it much harder for workers (Or slaves, in some cases, which illegal prostitution creates) to report client abuse or reporting the Pimps, right?

Also:
>uses greentext outside of 4chan
>supports a country who wants to recreate the ussr
>edginess intensifies

[Valgora]

so only ancaps can support the voluntary exchange of services?

Only ancaps support something that disproportionately harms people both psychologically and economically. Only a tiny minority of prostitution is brought out without economic or even physical coercion.

If prostitution is legal, prostitutes can get medical attention without worrying about getting in trouble and they can go to the police for help without worrying about being arrested.

[United Muscovite Nations]

>socialist flag
>literally supports ancap policies
wew lad

You do realize that banning it will just: A) Make people want it more, B. Give the Pimps more power over their workers, and C. Makes it much harder for workers (Or slaves, in some cases, which illegal prostitution creates) to report client abuse or reporting the Pimps, right?

Also:
>uses greentext outside of 4chan
>supports a country who wants to recreate the ussr
>edginess intensifies

A) You could apply that to literally anything
B) Arrest the pimps
C) Give them real jobs and that won't happen.

I don't see why we should legalize something for the purpose of making organized crime less hard.