Do you think that punishing pornographers would right?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Somebody has a secret porn addiction...

Somebody knows a lot about a person they know nothing about.

To be fair to Gauth it does seem to be exceedingly common that someone who goes out of their way to seem heavily against something is actually into it.

Like all those anti-LGBT Republicans who turn out to be banging dudes on the side.

[Valgora]

Somebody knows a lot about a person they know nothing about.

To be fair to Gauth it does seem to be exceedingly common that someone who goes out of their way to seem heavily against something is actually into it.

Like all those anti-LGBT Republicans who turn out to be banging dudes on the side.

It's a defense machanism that Freud thought of.
Reaction Formation - Perform the opposite activity the id wish wants (a very, very simplified definition. My psychology professor didn't have the definition in the power point).

[USS Monitor]

Given wider access to pornography is correlated with a reduction in rape rates, why do you want more people raped, OP?

^This.

Whatever problems there may be regarding the treatment of women within the porn industry, those should be addressed by better regulations or by using private organizations such as labor unions, support groups, or civil rights groups to help porn stars who run into problems.

[Valgora]

Given wider access to pornography is correlated with a reduction in rape rates, why do you want more people raped, OP?

^This.

Whatever problems there may be regarding the treatment of women within the porn industry, those should be addressed by better regulations or by using private organizations such as labor unions, support groups, or civil rights groups to help porn stars who run into problems.

The Industrial Workers of the World have a thing for sex trade workers - https://iww.org/unions/dept600/iu690

[Gauthier]

^This.

Whatever problems there may be regarding the treatment of women within the porn industry, those should be addressed by better regulations or by using private organizations such as labor unions, support groups, or civil rights groups to help porn stars who run into problems.

The Industrial Workers of the World have a thing for sex trade workers - https://iww.org/unions/dept600/iu690

Wait, Wobbly isn't the name of a sex position?

[North Dajao]

So here's the thing. IT'S NOT EXPLOITATION IF IT IS CONSENSUAL!

Now rape videos on the other hand are completely awful. But seriously if an adult woman wants to sell her body then it's her choice! You can't blame her choice on "White men wanting to exploit her"

Also your "sources" are a Facebook page and a strongly feminist news organization.

[Hirota]

Glad to see you've joined the fight, comrade.

I've always been well on the left - but not to the point of eliminating plain old common sense.

So, is it fair to say that your argument is a minimum wage will eliminate the poor going into porn? Because I look at the countries with the highest minimum wages in the world and I'm pretty sure I could find a porn industry in each of them regardless .

[Lady Scylla]

Given wider access to pornography is correlated with a reduction in rape rates, why do you want more people raped, OP?

I'm bothered that she uses facebook, and a bias blog for sources.

[Lady Scylla]

What do you think, NSGs?

Since I really care about understanding what is the opinion of the majority, there's a poll, with almost all possible answers.

Heavily weighted poll lacking any significant oppositional responses to your viewpoint.

[Imperializt Russia]

Golly, I do still remember the times when wanting to illegalize pornography was a conservative-reactionary idea that was more frequently touted by proponents on what's generally labeled "patriarchy" by modern feminist firebrands.

Except the reasoning behind it are at diametric opposites, so it's not much of a fair label.

[Lady Scylla]

If people in the porn industry are suffering abuse or being exploited I'd rather strengthen regulations or improve enforcement.

This. Pornography is perfectly fine as long as it's being done with legal consenting adults.

[Imperializt Russia]

Given wider access to pornography is correlated with a reduction in rape rates, why do you want more people raped, OP?

I'm bothered that she uses facebook, and a bias blog for sources.

It's a facebook event for a conference/panel discussion on the topic, so I don't think this is a fair criticism.

It's not like she linked a Facebook meme saying "pornography increases rape by 39% no really trust me".

[Hirota]

Given wider access to pornography is correlated with a reduction in rape rates, why do you want more people raped, OP?

I'm bothered that she uses facebook, and a bias blog for sources.

Bothered, but not shocked, I imagine.

Anyway, I'm at work, so there is no way I'm going to google this right now - but can anyone actually provide evidence of a correlation between economic background and employment in porn?

[Lady Scylla]

I'm bothered that she uses facebook, and a bias blog for sources.

It's a facebook event for a conference/panel discussion on the topic, so I don't think this is a fair criticism.

It's not like she linked a Facebook meme saying "pornography increases rape by 39% no really trust me".

Admittedly, I saw 'facebook' and skipped over it.

[Lady Scylla]

I'm bothered that she uses facebook, and a bias blog for sources.

Bothered, but not shocked, I imagine.

Anyway, I'm at work, so there is no way I'm going to google this right now - but can anyone actually provide evidence of a correlation between economic background and employment in porn?

I'm never shocked with Chess anymore. And yes, yes I can -- my involvement in burlesque was clearly because I wanted to feel like an object for men to abuse, and not because I thought it was fun and liked the outfits.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's a facebook event for a conference/panel discussion on the topic, so I don't think this is a fair criticism.

It's not like she linked a Facebook meme saying "pornography increases rape by 39% no really trust me".

Admittedly, I saw 'facebook' and skipped over it.

OP could probably found a more "reputable" link for the conference however, so you're not entirely wrong.

[Lady Scylla]

Admittedly, I saw 'facebook' and skipped over it.

OP could probably found a more "reputable" link for the conference however, so you're not entirely wrong.

That would've been a better approach since, as in my case, I simply skipped over it without a second thought because I immediately attribute facebook with self-centred drama.

[New Edom]

It's a facebook event for a conference/panel discussion on the topic, so I don't think this is a fair criticism.

It's not like she linked a Facebook meme saying "pornography increases rape by 39% no really trust me".

Admittedly, I saw 'facebook' and skipped over it.

What concerns me is that the panel is a bunch of radfem manhaters.

[Sovaal]

You're telling me that men aren't constantly horny sex machines whose consent you need? /s

Hehe. Well I take your point, but there's lots of reasons why men might refuse sex. one is that they are already in a committed relationship; they may also not like or trust the woman (or man if they're gay for instance) even if they think they're hot, etc. The point is in popular media women are not depicted as being required to respect men or boys' reasons for refusing sex.

I worded that kinda wrong. I was actually trying to agree with you.

[New Edom]

Hehe. Well I take your point, but there's lots of reasons why men might refuse sex. one is that they are already in a committed relationship; they may also not like or trust the woman (or man if they're gay for instance) even if they think they're hot, etc. The point is in popular media women are not depicted as being required to respect men or boys' reasons for refusing sex.

I worded that kinda wrong. I was actually trying to agree with you.

Yes, I knew actually, I was taking the opportunity to flesh things out a bit though for others who might read it.

[Sovaal]

Given wider access to pornography is correlated with a reduction in rape rates, why do you want more people raped, OP?

I'm bothered that she uses facebook, and a bias blog for sources.

They're obviously better than any scientific, peer reviewed research paper could ever hope to be. /s

[Lady Scylla]

I'm bothered that she uses facebook, and a bias blog for sources.

They're obviously better than any scientific, peer reviewed research paper could ever hope to be. /s

That would depend. If she was drawing absolutes from a scientific, peer reviewed research paper -- I'd dismiss it outright. If she was suggesting a hypothesis on such, then I could go along. Don't make absolutes unless you've got some hefty meta-analytical goodies for me to read.

[Sovaal]

They're obviously better than any scientific, peer reviewed research paper could ever hope to be. /s

That would depend. If she was drawing absolutes from a scientific, peer reviewed research paper -- I'd dismiss it outright. If she was suggesting a hypothesis on such, then I could go along. Don't make absolutes unless you've got some hefty meta-analytical goodies for me to read.

While scientific papers suffer the from the fact that any human creation is flawed in someway, I think it can be argued that the credibility of her argument isn't reinforced with links to Facebook.

[The Federation of Kendor]

Pornography should be illegal. The producers produced pornography just to satisfy some pervert people's demands of watching perverted things, exploiting them for money. They also used various tactics to attract new customers who don't watch pornography before to watch them, again just for money. The producers must be punished for making pornos

[Lady Scylla]

Pornography should be illegal. The producers produced pornography just to satisfy some pervert people's demands of watching perverted things, exploiting them for money. They also used various tactics to attract new customers who don't watch pornography before to watch them, again just for money. The producers must be punished for making pornos

You pay for your porn?