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There should be some form of punishment related to pornography?

Fines for producers only
7
2%
Fines for all people involved in production (even actors)
9
2%
Fines even for the users
3
1%
Criminalization of producers
12
3%
Criminalization for all people involved in production (even actors)
15
4%
Criminalization for all people involved + fines for the users
10
2%
Criminalization even for the users
8
2%
Awareness campaigns only
37
9%
Pornography is free speech
325
76%
 
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Postby New Edom » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:32 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Is that top views by country based off of a percentage of the population, or is it purely based off of the number of people.
Because Iceland's population is a little over 300,000 and they got 2nd on that list.

If it's going based on percentage, which nation has the highest in numbers?



It depends on what you mean. For the sheer number of pornographic videos watched, it's the United States. But there is some very good data on who watches what. The USA is the lead nation followed mostly by other Western European nations and parts of the Anglosphere for the 'lesbian' search category. The USA also leads for the MILF search category, giving the lie to the idea that North American men overwhelmingly prefer girls dangerously skirting the legal age of consent. MILF has, according to porn hub, been among the top range of searches, like top 3, for the last few years at least. Furthermore, both lesbian and MILF are more than twice as popular as say gang bang or ebony, and nearly a 3rd more likely to be searched for than anal.

On the other hand, the Philippines tops the charts for length of time viewing videos, topping the US and Canada by about 2-3 minutes. (their averages being about 9-10 minutes). The average of the top porn using nations is between 8 and 9 minutes.

Generally, people tend to search for the ethnicity of their nation. So Indians tend to prefer watching Indians, Japanese Japanese, etc. So in the USA since most people are white, most of the porn searches are for white actresses, though Black, Latina and Asian are also searched for and are high enough in the statistics to be actively wanted.
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Postby New Edom » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:36 pm

Randsbeik wrote:Who cares? As long as all parties involved consent, it can be as depraved as they damn well please.

If you don't like it, don't partake. The same goes for any other behavior you find "immoral."


Sure. The panel and their friends want to be able to enforce criminalizing what they find immoral though. Because they have stated that pornography causes harm, that requires those who believe it should be about freedom of choice to prove that it causes no harm to society and individuals--that it is only when criminals are involved with it that it does.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:37 pm

Randsbeik wrote:Who cares? As long as all parties involved consent, it can be as depraved as they damn well please.

If you don't like it, don't partake. The same goes for any other behavior you find "immoral."

Should there be restrictions on who can partake and what they can do though?

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Postby Randsbeik » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:Who cares? As long as all parties involved consent, it can be as depraved as they damn well please.

If you don't like it, don't partake. The same goes for any other behavior you find "immoral."

Should there be restrictions on who can partake and what they can do though?

If all parties consent, who cares?

New Edom wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:Who cares? As long as all parties involved consent, it can be as depraved as they damn well please.

If you don't like it, don't partake. The same goes for any other behavior you find "immoral."


Sure. The panel and their friends want to be able to enforce criminalizing what they find immoral though. Because they have stated that pornography causes harm, that requires those who believe it should be about freedom of choice to prove that it causes no harm to society and individuals--that it is only when criminals are involved with it that it does.


The burden of proof isn't on me to disprove an assertion. It's on them to back theirs up. I don't see a porno tape growing arms and shooting me in my sleep.

Porn doesn't hurt anyone. People can, sure. But it isn't the fault of the manufacturer of a kitchen knife if their knife is used in a homicide.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:44 pm

Randsbeik wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Should there be restrictions on who can partake and what they can do though?

If all parties consent, who cares?

New Edom wrote:


Sure. The panel and their friends want to be able to enforce criminalizing what they find immoral though. Because they have stated that pornography causes harm, that requires those who believe it should be about freedom of choice to prove that it causes no harm to society and individuals--that it is only when criminals are involved with it that it does.


The burden of proof isn't on me to disprove an assertion. It's on them to back theirs up. I don't see a porno tape growing arms and shooting me in my sleep.

Porn doesn't hurt anyone. People can, sure. But it isn't the fault of the manufacturer of a kitchen knife if their knife is used in a homicide.

Someone cannot consent until they are 18 though.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:If all parties consent, who cares?



The burden of proof isn't on me to disprove an assertion. It's on them to back theirs up. I don't see a porno tape growing arms and shooting me in my sleep.

Porn doesn't hurt anyone. People can, sure. But it isn't the fault of the manufacturer of a kitchen knife if their knife is used in a homicide.

Someone cannot consent until they are 18 though.


Why that number? People can consent to sex and employment much younger than that across most of the world.

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Postby Randsbeik » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:If all parties consent, who cares?



The burden of proof isn't on me to disprove an assertion. It's on them to back theirs up. I don't see a porno tape growing arms and shooting me in my sleep.

Porn doesn't hurt anyone. People can, sure. But it isn't the fault of the manufacturer of a kitchen knife if their knife is used in a homicide.

Someone cannot consent until they are 18 though.


Let's rephrase it to "consenting adults," then.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:50 pm

Randsbeik wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Someone cannot consent until they are 18 though.


Let's rephrase it to "consenting adults," then.

Then I really don't see much of an issue.

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Postby Chevalryia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:50 pm

Galloism wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:People can be addicted to porn?

Like anything, yes.

It acts like drugs, releasing the same chemicals like dopamine in the brain. You basically get a high. And like drugs, you can never get the same high again, which causes people to search for more erotic and dark things to satisfy the craving that can never be filled.

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Postby New Edom » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:55 pm

Randsbeik wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Should there be restrictions on who can partake and what they can do though?

If all parties consent, who cares?

New Edom wrote:


Sure. The panel and their friends want to be able to enforce criminalizing what they find immoral though. Because they have stated that pornography causes harm, that requires those who believe it should be about freedom of choice to prove that it causes no harm to society and individuals--that it is only when criminals are involved with it that it does.


The burden of proof isn't on me to disprove an assertion. It's on them to back theirs up. I don't see a porno tape growing arms and shooting me in my sleep.

Porn doesn't hurt anyone. People can, sure. But it isn't the fault of the manufacturer of a kitchen knife if their knife is used in a homicide.


Well, if people are trying to influence legislators to make something illegal, then it is up to those of us who wand to defend freedom of artistic expression and commercial media to influence legislators so that they will be unlikely to pass the laws that will make the activity illegal. It would be unwise to wait and let the anti-porn people influence without a voice of dissent, right?
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Postby Randsbeik » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:59 pm

New Edom wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:If all parties consent, who cares?



The burden of proof isn't on me to disprove an assertion. It's on them to back theirs up. I don't see a porno tape growing arms and shooting me in my sleep.

Porn doesn't hurt anyone. People can, sure. But it isn't the fault of the manufacturer of a kitchen knife if their knife is used in a homicide.


Well, if people are trying to influence legislators to make something illegal, then it is up to those of us who wand to defend freedom of artistic expression and commercial media to influence legislators so that they will be unlikely to pass the laws that will make the activity illegal. It would be unwise to wait and let the anti-porn people influence without a voice of dissent, right?


Providing a voice of dissent is what I'm doing right now. My point is that people can'e arbitrarily claim "porn is bad" and state that it's my responsibility to disprove their argument.
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Postby Impireacht » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:01 pm

Chevalryia wrote:

It acts like drugs, releasing the same chemicals like dopamine in the brain. You basically get a high. And like drugs, you can never get the same high again, which causes people to search for more erotic and dark things to satisfy the craving that can never be filled.


Errr, any sexual pleasure causes dopamine releases. It's part of being human - I can do that with my mind (and if we're gonna get vulgar, hand) if I want to, porn is entirely unnecessary. Still haven't become a rapist, so I'm pretty sure it's safe.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:08 pm

Chevalryia wrote:

It acts like drugs, releasing the same chemicals like dopamine in the brain. You basically get a high. And like drugs, you can never get the same high again, which causes people to search for more erotic and dark things to satisfy the craving that can never be filled.

Then please explain to me why I've never viewed anything different, like anything more violent and the like, than the stuff I saw back in middle school?
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Postby New Edom » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:08 pm

Impireacht wrote:
Chevalryia wrote:It acts like drugs, releasing the same chemicals like dopamine in the brain. You basically get a high. And like drugs, you can never get the same high again, which causes people to search for more erotic and dark things to satisfy the craving that can never be filled.


Errr, any sexual pleasure causes dopamine releases. It's part of being human - I can do that with my mind (and if we're gonna get vulgar, hand) if I want to, porn is entirely unnecessary. Still haven't become a rapist, so I'm pretty sure it's safe.


I have yet to see a conclusive study that shows that you will become a rapist. the issue with pornography is more related to criminal behaviour that is involved with production than with consumption. Arguably, the more mainstream it becomes the less criminal behaviour will be involved with production.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:10 pm

Impireacht wrote:
Chevalryia wrote:It acts like drugs, releasing the same chemicals like dopamine in the brain. You basically get a high. And like drugs, you can never get the same high again, which causes people to search for more erotic and dark things to satisfy the craving that can never be filled.


Errr, any sexual pleasure causes dopamine releases. It's part of being human - I can do that with my mind (and if we're gonna get vulgar, hand) if I want to, porn is entirely unnecessary. Still haven't become a rapist, so I'm pretty sure it's safe.

Rapists typically consume less porn than your average person.

I wouldn't worry much.
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Thermodolia wrote:
Chevalryia wrote:It acts like drugs, releasing the same chemicals like dopamine in the brain. You basically get a high. And like drugs, you can never get the same high again, which causes people to search for more erotic and dark things to satisfy the craving that can never be filled.

Then please explain to me why I've never viewed anything different than the stuff I saw back in middle school?

Different people. I have an extremly addictive personality, possibly linked to my deep depression, (deficit of dopamine) so any things give me you'd call a high
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:13 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Then please explain to me why I've never viewed anything different than the stuff I saw back in middle school?

Different people. I have an extremly addictive personality, possibly linked to my deep depression, (deficit of dopamine) so any things give me you'd call a high

Ok but have you viewed increasingly violent or exotic porn, since you started?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Different people. I have an extremly addictive personality, possibly linked to my deep depression, (deficit of dopamine) so any things give me you'd call a high

Ok but have you viewed increasingly violent or exotic porn, since you started?

Oh definatly. I'm not sure if that's linked to high consumption or me finding kinks though. I'd imagine the latter, as I've platued as of two years ago
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:If all parties consent, who cares?



The burden of proof isn't on me to disprove an assertion. It's on them to back theirs up. I don't see a porno tape growing arms and shooting me in my sleep.

Porn doesn't hurt anyone. People can, sure. But it isn't the fault of the manufacturer of a kitchen knife if their knife is used in a homicide.

Someone cannot consent until they are 18 though.

Consent varies in different states, though. Like, in Louisiana the age of consent is 17.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:30 pm

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Someone cannot consent until they are 18 though.

Consent varies in different states, though. Like, in Louisiana the age of consent is 17.

Georgia's is 16, but nobody actually does it with a 16 year old because I think we have another law on the books that says consensual sex anyone under 18 is considered staturory rape or something like that.
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Postby Montchevre » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:35 pm

Pornography, whether you think it's distasteful or not, is protected as free artistry. Were the actors actually being coerced, that would obviously be different, but otherwise prosecuting its producers is insane. They did nothing except supply a product for which there is frankly enormous demand. Just as some advice though, if you recommend doing something India tried to do but failed because of too much backlash from the intelligentsia, you should probably stop recommending it.
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:39 pm

Pioneers of Feminist Porn

Here's an interview of actual Women Porn Producers (Candida Royalle and Jacky St James) which discusses porn as female empowerment - note it's a Youtube clip and has no nudity, whether its erotic is your own business

so Chessmistress do you accept the notion of Feminist Porn?
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:56 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Somebody has a secret porn addiction...
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Consent varies in different states, though. Like, in Louisiana the age of consent is 17.

Georgia's is 16, but nobody actually does it with a 16 year old because I think we have another law on the books that says consensual sex anyone under 18 is considered staturory rape or something like that.

That's...weird. And confusing.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Somebody has a secret porn addiction...

Somebody knows a lot about a person they know nothing about.
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