Do you think that punishing pornographers would right?

[Chessmistress]

I'm not interested about matriarchy, and even just only two days ago I was arguing that I doubt it could be even possible.
I could even open an interesting thread about it, but I'm not sure that I should because it seems to me that there's around a lot of people are hypersensitive about certain arguments.

I would, frankly, participate, but mind that my arguments would be a counterbalance to yours and I'd be asking a lot of questions in regards of this matriarchal system you were to propose in said thread.

My argument is that I doubt that a matriarchy would be possible.
Because the only actually fully working matriarchy, seems to be homophobic and even having very patriarchal attitudes (more than the western world) in some specifical fields.
So it isn't really a matriarchy.

Perhaps I'll open such thread tomorrow, now I have little time.

[Sovaal]

Does that include the use of guns?

To be honest though, I could get used to a world where everythings the same except we have no guns

I don't know. Secret police and gangs armed with elctrified, modern alloy swords don't exactly sound fun to me. But then again, into the badlands is pretty cool.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm not interested about matriarchy.

You want women to have full control over men as a "Payback" for the patriarchy (Which doesn't exist in the Western World).

Yes, you are interested in a matriarchy.

I can't believe I'm doing this, since I usually am more of her devil's advocate in these threads, but it's time to defend Chessmistress.

I personally am not of the opinion that she wants to have a matriarchy. Even she doesn't agree with more radical feminists on several issues that she feels that, while good-intentioned, would be too extreme and would not be well received by the whole of society, or would not serve her interests as a radical feminist of her own particular ideology.

From what I understand, she's quite on the far side, but I wouldn't go as far as to call her a supporter of a matriarchy.

[Internationalist Bastard]

To be honest though, I could get used to a world where everythings the same except we have no guns

I don't know. Secret police and gangs armed with elctrified, modern alloy swords don't exactly sound fun to me. But then again, into the badlands is pretty cool.

Oh c'mon, just imagine the mob showing up asking for protection money with battle axes

[-Fahrong-]

Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Smart man, we need to show these hedonist degenerates proper punishments for their misaction.

[Sovaal]

I don't know. Secret police and gangs armed with elctrified, modern alloy swords don't exactly sound fun to me. But then again, into the badlands is pretty cool.

Oh c'mon, just imagine the mob showing up asking for protection money with battle axes

I'd rather face them than the roving bands of fedora-wearing, katana armed, pseudo-chivalry white knights.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Oh c'mon, just imagine the mob showing up asking for protection money with battle axes

I'd rather face them than the roving bands of fedora-wearing, katana armed, pseudo-chivalry white knights.

Oh man this would be the most fun dystopia ever

[Ethel mermania]

Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Smart man, we need to show these hedonist degenerates proper punishments for their misaction.

That is aweful rough on a poor guy who just comes too soon.

[The Holy Therns]

Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

That's absolutely exaggerated, clearly extremist.

Well, you'd know.

[New Edom]

First, some sources:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1194021540715180/

Eliminating the prostitution and pornography industry is necessary in order to achieve gender equality. The women and girls in the prostitution and porn industry have the right to live free from violence.

The NGO CSW has denied several organizations to host seminars on prostitution and pornography. This is why we, a number of organizations have united to host the event Prostitution –not a choice not a job.

Date: 15th of March, 13.00-15.00 pm
Location: Church of Sweden, 5 East 48th Street, New York

Panel:
► Julie Bindel, writer, feminist, and co-founder of the law-reform group Justice for Women
► Gail Dines, Professor of Sociology and Women's Studies at Wheelock College in Boston, Massachusetts
► Cherie Jimenez, Space International
► Per-Anders Sunesson, Ambassador at Large for Combating Trafficking in Persons, Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Sweden

Moderator: Clara Berglund, Secretary General of the Swedish Women’s Lobby

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/03/ ... -industry/

After exiting prostitution, Jimenez says she struggled “for a long time trying to feel whole again.” Dines extended this to the experiences of women in pornography, citing research by Melissa Farley which found that prostituted women who had pornography made of them experienced even higher rates of PTSD.

According to Dines, this is most likely due to the fact that, for women in pornography, there is no way to ever truly exit the sex trade. Their exploitation is frozen in time, allowing millions of johns to re-victimize women endlessly, even after their deaths. “Think of the trauma of never again having any sense of bodily integrity or privacy,” said Dines.

Bindel attended the 2015 LA Porn Awards as a journalist and learned about yet another way the industry makes it impossible for women to truly exit porn. She explained:

“The biggest category in 2015 was ‘Milf.’ And it was because when the women were retiring at the age of 35 or 36, the industry wanted to get more out of them. And someone told me something about this that left my blood cold. When the women are about to drop out of making films, for the most popular women, they make a ‘real doll’ from her. And it’s anatomically correct in every way. So men are ordering these exact replicas of these women and their orifices. They mold from her body, inside and out, which means that whatever happens to her, wherever she goes, there are men literally fucking her replica and writing about it online, etcetera. And that to me is the height of sadism.”

Considering the impact of the industry on women prostituted through porn (never mind on women and girls as a whole), Dines’ delivers an impassioned plea to the anti-trafficking movement:

“Don’t forget pornography and don’t forget the women in the industry…The less we think about it, the more we ignore the women in pornography and say, ‘You don’t count. We’re not even including you in this.’”

In her final comments, Dines called upon governments like Sweden to incorporate pornography into the legislation that already exists: “Now has come the time, after so many years of the Nordic Model, that if you’re going to fine or imprison [men] for sexual exploitation, you have to also do that for the exploitation of women in pornography.”

As the Nordic Model continues to spread across the world, this landmark legislation for women’s rights could also be a huge blow to the multi-billion dollar porn industry. It may be some time before feminists can convince states to craft and implement specific policy that includes pornography within the Nordic Model, but it is imperative we push for it. Anything less would abandon so many women and girls, arbitrarily denying them their humans rights and the justice they deserve.

Personally I think, too, that pornography is encouraging, even worse: teaching, violence against women.
But I'm also a very pragmatic person: I don't think that it could be possible, nor even totally fair since attitudes are very slow to change and in such case too many men need time beore accepting the idea.
I think that a good first step would be criminalizing the rich producers, not the users: it would be quite similar to what happened in so many countries regarding prostitution, the first step was criminalizing pimps and not the johns, giving a lot (even too much) time to johns to understand that it was a bad thing.
In the case of pornography I think that we should follow the same path.

What do you think, NSGs?

Since I really care about understanding what is the opinion of the majority, there's a poll, with almost all possible answers.

Yeah, because a bunch of lesbian radical feminists are the best people to judge how pornography works, who generally want a female dominated vision of sex. No. Let's intstead legalize it all and regulate it all, and have men involved in these panels and women who actually don't hate men in these panels. Then I'll take it seriously. Anyway I will continue to back a return of conservatism in Canada to curb Liberal appeasement of feminism and other progressive movements. In North America, at least, there are bastions of power that are not afraid to defy the Left.

[Galloism]

I like how she hasn't even tried to argue against the evidence that pornography is associated with a reduction in rape rates. She just keeps ignoring it and hope we'll all forget about it and buy her premise.

For those who are interested, it may be related to the factor that violent movies reduce violent crime.

At least, that's what Slate proposes. Of course, Slate, that far-right pseudoblog.

[Valgora]

I like how she hasn't even tried to argue against the evidence that pornography is associated with a reduction in rape rates. She just keeps ignoring it and hope we'll all forget about it and buy her premise.

For those who are interested, it may be related to the factor that violent movies reduce violent crime.

At least, that's what Slate proposes. Of course, Slate, that far-right pseudoblog.

I doubt that porn would lower rape and sexual assault; however, I do think that it has no actual affect on the number of rapes and sexual assault.

[Thermodolia]

I gave up on pornography a certain time ago, and it's so much better now. I'd advise anyone the same, but not ban anyone from watching it. It doesn't affect anyone besides them.

It's so much better how exactly?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I gave up on pornography a certain time ago, and it's so much better now. I'd advise anyone the same, but not ban anyone from watching it. It doesn't affect anyone besides them.

It's so much better how exactly?

Some people due suffer from addiction

[New haven america]

It's so much better how exactly?

Some people due suffer from addiction

There's even a slightly famous subreddit about that.

[Thermodolia]

It's so much better how exactly?

Some people due suffer from addiction

People can be addicted to porn?

[Valgora]

Some people due suffer from addiction

People can be addicted to porn?

Yes

[Thermodolia]

Some people due suffer from addiction

There's even a slightly famous subreddit about that.

r/nofap?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I like how she hasn't even tried to argue against the evidence that pornography is associated with a reduction in rape rates. She just keeps ignoring it and hope we'll all forget about it and buy her premise.

For those who are interested, it may be related to the factor that violent movies reduce violent crime.

At least, that's what Slate proposes. Of course, Slate, that far-right pseudoblog.

I doubt that porn would lower rape and sexual assault; however, I do think that it has no actual affect on the number of rapes and sexual assault.

I would think that the effect is statistically trivial or more than trivial, given the studies have shown a correlational link, although not a causal one, and it'd be difficult to pinpoint at a causal link anyways because you enter a chicken or egg dilemma: are porn watchers not rapists, or are non-rapists porn watchers?

[Martune]

Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Ur kidding right?

[Galloism]

I like how she hasn't even tried to argue against the evidence that pornography is associated with a reduction in rape rates. She just keeps ignoring it and hope we'll all forget about it and buy her premise.

For those who are interested, it may be related to the factor that violent movies reduce violent crime.

At least, that's what Slate proposes. Of course, Slate, that far-right pseudoblog.

I doubt that porn would lower rape and sexual assault; however, I do think that it has no actual affect on the number of rapes and sexual assault.

That's a plausible interpretation. It's hard to say.

However, given it's associated with a reduction in rape rates, it's hard to see it as increasing rape rates. Reverse correlation is a strong argument against causation.

[Galloism]

Some people due suffer from addiction

People can be addicted to porn?

Like anything, yes.

[Thermodolia]

People can be addicted to porn?

Like anything, yes.

I question the authors sanity

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I doubt that porn would lower rape and sexual assault; however, I do think that it has no actual affect on the number of rapes and sexual assault.

That's a plausible interpretation. It's hard to say.

However, given it's associated with a reduction in rape rates, it's hard to see it as increasing rape rates. Reverse correlation is a strong argument against causation.

I mean, yes, but as I noted above, you kinda do enter a chicken or egg dilemma as to whether potential rapists don't rape because they watch porn, or does watching porn make people less prone to go and rape someone.

In other words, does the watching porn prevent potential rapists to rape because of the action of watching porn (as in, watching porn sates their urges), or because they'd rather watch porn than break the law.

[Sovaal]

I'd rather face them than the roving bands of fedora-wearing, katana armed, pseudo-chivalry white knights.

Oh man this would be the most fun dystopia ever

Also, the Mexican cartels would ride around in sports cars while wielding giant-ass, blinged out great swords and wearing gold plated, uh, plated armor. Yah.