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There should be some form of punishment related to pornography?

Fines for producers only
7
2%
Fines for all people involved in production (even actors)
9
2%
Fines even for the users
3
1%
Criminalization of producers
12
3%
Criminalization for all people involved in production (even actors)
15
4%
Criminalization for all people involved + fines for the users
10
2%
Criminalization even for the users
8
2%
Awareness campaigns only
37
9%
Pornography is free speech
325
76%
 
Total votes : 426

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:09 pm

Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:09 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

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Postby Orostan » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:09 pm

Porn is fine so long as everyone consents and is not exploited.

LET THEM HAVE PORN
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:15 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Seems to be a little bit over board, don't you think?
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:16 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote: People who, due to their own economic circumstances, are forced into the sex industry, in order to make enough money to survive or to support their families.

That's literally every job, ever.
If I look for a job that pays more, I am not doing it because I want to, but because I have to in order to make enough money to survive and support my family and my lifestyle.
Not exactly a good standard, there.
Hirota wrote:People are coerced economically into the fast food industry. That doesn't mean working in pr0n is more worthy of tackling than flipping burgers.
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People who, due to their own economic circumstances, are forced into the sex industry, in order to make enough money to survive or to support their families.

You could argue that of a lot things

Ok on a more serious note, I think the porn industry and sex work industry in general are more prone to abuse, and due to lack of regulation, are more likely to hire undocumented people (who perhaps would rather flip burgers than have sex for money, but are unable to work elsewhere without documentation).

But I also support changing society to a form where people aren't condemned to menial tasks under wage slavery for life
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:17 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.


Care to explain why?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:20 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:Ok on a more serious note, I think the porn industry and sex work industry in general are more prone to abuse, and due to lack of regulation, are more likely to hire undocumented people (who perhaps would rather flip burgers than have sex for money, but are unable to work elsewhere without documentation).

But I also support changing society to a form where people aren't condemned to menial tasks under wage slavery for life


Then that's a problem with regulation, and not with the industry as a whole.

You can regulate without trying to ban an industry.
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Postby Chessmistress » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:20 pm

New haven america wrote:
Galloism wrote:Btw, this is the eventual result of term dilution.

It's like the term "sex offender". Now that, in some states, "sex offender" includes someone caught urinating in public while drunk a decade ago, the term has been diluted beyond any real meaning. Consequently, if someone says "X person is a sex offender" my first question is "sex offense for what?" This is because the term has been diluted so much that it, by itself, carries no real meaning or weight anymore.

That's the logical result of Chessmistress and people like her diluting the term 'rape'.

And of course, she constantly chooses to ignore males who are sex workers in order to make her point that "This is only a women's issue" instead of actually wanting equality (Which she has admitted that she doesn't want, she wants a matriarchy, something feminism should be against).


I'm not interested about matriarchy, and even just only two days ago I was arguing that I doubt it could be even possible.
I could even open an interesting thread about it, but I'm not sure that I should because it seems to me that there's around a lot of people are hypersensitive about certain arguments.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:20 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Some of the users might like being flogged and imprisoned...
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:20 pm

Valgora wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.


Care to explain why?


Dio wants to return to the Middle Ages, essentially.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:21 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
New haven america wrote:And of course, she constantly chooses to ignore males who are sex workers in order to make her point that "This is only a women's issue" instead of actually wanting equality (Which she has admitted that she doesn't want, she wants a matriarchy, something feminism should be against).


I'm not interested about matriarchy, and even just only two days ago I was arguing that I doubt it could be even possible.
I could even open an interesting thread about it, but I'm not sure that I should because it seems to me that there's around a lot of people are hypersensitive about certain arguments.


I would, frankly, participate, but mind that my arguments would be a counterbalance to yours and I'd be asking a lot of questions in regards of this matriarchal system you were to propose in said thread.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Remind me to never let you near politics, good thing I have my guns so your goons are going to have a fun time
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Care to explain why?


Dio wants to return to the Middle Ages, essentially.

Will there be tournaments?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Ok on a more serious note, I think the porn industry and sex work industry in general are more prone to abuse, and due to lack of regulation, are more likely to hire undocumented people (who perhaps would rather flip burgers than have sex for money, but are unable to work elsewhere without documentation).

But I also support changing society to a form where people aren't condemned to menial tasks under wage slavery for life


Then that's a problem with regulation, and not with the industry as a whole.

You can regulate without trying to ban an industry.

I never said that it should be banned.
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Postby Chessmistress » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.


That's absolutely exaggerated, clearly extremist.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Care to explain why?


Dio wants to return to the Middle Ages, essentially.

Does that include the use of guns?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:23 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
New haven america wrote:And of course, she constantly chooses to ignore males who are sex workers in order to make her point that "This is only a women's issue" instead of actually wanting equality (Which she has admitted that she doesn't want, she wants a matriarchy, something feminism should be against).


I'm not interested about matriarchy, and even just only two days ago I was arguing that I doubt it could be even possible.
I could even open an interesting thread about it, but I'm not sure that I should because it seems to me that there's around a lot of people are hypersensitive about certain arguments.

We aren't the ones who want to take womens rights away to empower them
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:23 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
New haven america wrote:And of course, she constantly chooses to ignore males who are sex workers in order to make her point that "This is only a women's issue" instead of actually wanting equality (Which she has admitted that she doesn't want, she wants a matriarchy, something feminism should be against).


I'm not interested about matriarchy.

You want women to have full control over men as a "Payback" for the patriarchy (Which doesn't exist in the Western World).

Yes, you are interested in a matriarchy.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Dio wants to return to the Middle Ages, essentially.

Does that include the use of guns?

Back to arqeubuses and hand cannons is it?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Jankau-Helmutsberg » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:24 pm

I gave up on pornography a certain time ago, and it's so much better now. I'd advise anyone the same, but not ban anyone from watching it. It doesn't affect anyone besides them.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Dio wants to return to the Middle Ages, essentially.

Does that include the use of guns?

To be honest though, I could get used to a world where everythings the same except we have no guns
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:25 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Then that's a problem with regulation, and not with the industry as a whole.

You can regulate without trying to ban an industry.

I never said that it should be banned.


True, but then again, the thread is about banning it. So, you know, keeping in topic.

But yes, I do agree with you that regulation of the porn industry to weed out harmful practices is important. Now, I am not an expert in the field, and even if I were, I think most of the data is obscured due to the shameful nature of it in society, so first it should be noted that proper research should be conducted on the field and see what are the common practices among the porn industry, and not just take it from anecdotal evidence that appears on the news, because the news is interested in views and making money, and so they will report the most scandalous occurrences.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:25 pm

Diopolis wrote:Everyone involved in production should be eligible for the death penalty, and that goes double for distribution. Users should be fined and flogged, and for repeat offenders imprisoned.

Edgy. Would ask as others have for reasoning behind this statement, but it seems more to be an off-the-cuff leap at making a ridiculous post, then giggling over the resulting rustled jimmies. So naaaah.

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Postby Saikaya » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:25 pm

It should have increased regulations, but outright bans and punishments, no.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:27 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:That's literally every job, ever.
If I look for a job that pays more, I am not doing it because I want to, but because I have to in order to make enough money to survive and support my family and my lifestyle.
Not exactly a good standard, there.
Hirota wrote:People are coerced economically into the fast food industry. That doesn't mean working in pr0n is more worthy of tackling than flipping burgers.
Internationalist Bastard wrote:You could argue that of a lot things

Ok on a more serious note, I think the porn industry and sex work industry in general are more prone to abuse, and due to lack of regulation, are more likely to hire undocumented people (who perhaps would rather flip burgers than have sex for money, but are unable to work elsewhere without documentation).

But I also support changing society to a form where people aren't condemned to menial tasks under wage slavery for life


Much like drugs, I think prostitution should be regulated and taxed. Girls have to be licensed, insured, regular health checkups etc. The underground prostitution networks will wither, as it is made legal. No pimps, no trwfficing, no mob involvement.

Professional porn for the most part is regulated, age records are kept, and most of the industry has testing requiremnts. Making it illegal would make it another growth industry for the mob.
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