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There should be some form of punishment related to pornography?

Fines for producers only
7
2%
Fines for all people involved in production (even actors)
9
2%
Fines even for the users
3
1%
Criminalization of producers
12
3%
Criminalization for all people involved in production (even actors)
15
4%
Criminalization for all people involved + fines for the users
10
2%
Criminalization even for the users
8
2%
Awareness campaigns only
37
9%
Pornography is free speech
325
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:04 pm

Galloism wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:All jobs are rape then, because we're coerced to do things we may or may not like for money.
:eyebrow:

Seriously, we have a bad enough problem with rape without you watering down the terminology or what actually constitutes rape. Let's not cheapen people's suffering by suggesting that being paid to have sex on film, or in photography, or anything of the sort, by free will and choice, is anything even remotely close to being forced to endure unwanted sexual contact, penetration, or abuse, whatever gender one might happen to be, and regardless of the gender of the rapist.

Btw, this is the eventual result of term dilution.

It's like the term "sex offender". Now that, in some states, "sex offender" includes someone caught urinating in public while drunk a decade ago, the term has been diluted beyond any real meaning. Consequently, if someone says "X person is a sex offender" my first question is "sex offense for what?" This is because the term has been diluted so much that it, by itself, carries no real meaning or weight anymore.

That's the logical result of Chessmistress and people like her diluting the term 'rape'.

And of course, she constantly chooses to ignore males who are sex workers in order to make her point that "This is only a women's issue" instead of actually wanting equality (Which she has admitted that she doesn't want, she wants a matriarchy, something feminism should be against).
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:12 pm

Like the gun lobby says, you can come take my porn out of my cold dead hands
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:14 pm

New haven america wrote:
Galloism wrote:Btw, this is the eventual result of term dilution.

It's like the term "sex offender". Now that, in some states, "sex offender" includes someone caught urinating in public while drunk a decade ago, the term has been diluted beyond any real meaning. Consequently, if someone says "X person is a sex offender" my first question is "sex offense for what?" This is because the term has been diluted so much that it, by itself, carries no real meaning or weight anymore.

That's the logical result of Chessmistress and people like her diluting the term 'rape'.

And of course, she constantly chooses to ignore males who are sex workers in order to make her point that "This is only a women's issue" instead of actually wanting equality (Which she has admitted that she doesn't want, she wants a matriarchy).

Don't you know, men are never in situations where they can be abused? /s
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:14 pm

Legalise prostitution and unionise sex workers. Problem solved :)
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Like the gun lobby says, you can come take my porn out of my cold dead hands


But they wouldn't need to take it from your hands. They just need to ban the websites.
Unless you are still using magazines.
Plus, the friction would warm up your hands.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:16 pm

Distribution and production of pornography should be illegal. This would prevent porn addictions and corruption of youth.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:18 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:Legalise prostitution and unionise sex workers. Problem solved :)

But that would just cause more violence against women. Jeez, you will do everything in your power to keep the patriarchy in control.

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Postby Soyouso » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:18 pm

No. As long as no one is getting raped and they are both adults, why the fuck should the government give a shit? We have better things to worry about than people filming themselves having sex. I seen no reason to ban pornography that isn't breaking any laws. Let them have their fun if they're both happy with their job.

EDIT: By the way, if you think BDSM is encouraging violence then you don't know what it is. BDSM when done properly is a roleplay between two consenting adults, and they are supposed to agree to any sadomasochistic things they do beforehand. This is why safe words are a thing. BDSM requires an intsnse amount of maturity and trust. If it were abuse then they wouldn't give a shit what the partner thinks.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:19 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Distribution and production of pornography should be illegal. This would prevent porn addictions and corruption of youth.

The youth will be corrupted either way.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:21 pm

New haven america wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Distribution and production of pornography should be illegal. This would prevent porn addictions and corruption of youth.

The youth will be corrupted either way.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:22 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
New haven america wrote:The youth will be corrupted either way.

I know I was

And isn't corruption fun?

I enjoy a little corruption every now and again.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:22 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:Legalise prostitution and unionise sex workers. Problem solved :)

Do I have to be union, can I just like, suck dick on the side?
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Postby Aodh-Rhionnia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:22 pm

Uh, no. Porn is not some kind of shaddy ring where producers kidnap women at an early age and groom them into actresses against their will. It is almost always a consensual production. Now, are there videos and such where consent is not given? Yes and those are of course disgusting and wrong. But that is not the vast majoroty of the pornography industry.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:24 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:I know I was

And isn't corruption fun?

I enjoy a little corruption every now and again.

I'm all for corruption, Dark sides way cooler anyway
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:25 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Legalise prostitution and unionise sex workers. Problem solved :)

Do I have to be union, can I just like, suck dick on the side?

all sex workers must assimilate
     
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Postby Aodh-Rhionnia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:27 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Distribution and production of pornography should be illegal. This would prevent porn addictions and corruption of youth.

Ha. Yeah how exactly is porn corruption? And are we really going to put this kind of strain on an already overcrowded and inefficient prison system? Thats just what it needs.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:27 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
New haven america wrote:And isn't corruption fun?

I enjoy a little corruption every now and again.

I'm all for corruption, Dark sides way cooler anyway

And we get all the cool gadgets and toys too.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:27 pm

Valgora wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Like the gun lobby says, you can come take my porn out of my cold dead hands


But they wouldn't need to take it from your hands. They just need to ban the websites.
Unless you are still using magazines.
Plus, the friction would warm up your hands.

I could be buying videos and dvds for all you know, it could also be downloaded on to be phone and computer
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:28 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Do I have to be union, can I just like, suck dick on the side?

all sex workers must assimilate

Whelp then I guess my ass stays off market
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valgora wrote:
But they wouldn't need to take it from your hands. They just need to ban the websites.
Unless you are still using magazines.
Plus, the friction would warm up your hands.

I could be buying videos and dvds for all you know, it could also be downloaded on to be phone and computer


True.
I still say your hands won't be cold though.
So they have to take it from your warm, dead hands.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:29 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
New haven america wrote:The youth will be corrupted either way.

I know I was

Same.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:30 pm

Valgora wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I could be buying videos and dvds for all you know, it could also be downloaded on to be phone and computer


True.
I still say your hands won't be cold though.
So they have to take it from your warm, dead hands.

Goddamnit!!! Stop destroying my comment!!' And they will be after about 30 minutes to 1 hour
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:33 pm

Valgora wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I could be buying videos and dvds for all you know, it could also be downloaded on to be phone and computer


True.
I still say your hands won't be cold though.
So they have to take it from your warm, dead hands.

Well, it could also depend on the temp. Sometimes if it gets really cold, then your hands will get cold too.

So, I guess the better saying would be from their temperature varying hands.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:34 pm

New haven america wrote:
Valgora wrote:
True.
I still say your hands won't be cold though.
So they have to take it from your warm, dead hands.

Well, it could also depend on the temp. Sometimes if it gets really cold, then your hands will get cold too.

So, I guess the better saying would be from their temperature varying hands.

Just stop ruining my moment!!! *walks off in a huff*
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:35 pm

This is mostly about the United States and her own views since, I think, so let me introduce this to the fact that this is a merely American view.

Pornography in the United States has been ruled by the Supreme Court as "free speech", and so despite Dines' efforts, she is likely to fail to have the current body of law overturned against pornography in the United States.

That being said, in other countries where they make highly profitable, and pornography that would otherwise be illegal in the United States, I can see a use for this law. However, due to the nature of the porn industry in the United States, while there needs to be heavier regulation in the industry, it's not a real problem with women being coerced into the industry, at least in America where Dines operates.
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