Should School Attendance be Compulsory?

[Ryock]

What if those people cannot afford birth control or abortions?

uhhhhhhhh, going back to EARNING YOUR MONEY

What about people who want abortion clinics made illegal?

[Industrial Virginia]

uhhhhhhhh, going back to EARNING YOUR MONEY

What about people who want abortion clinics made illegal?

How is that related to anything?

[Thermodolia]

Wait...it isn't already?

For most of the world it is, though some have this fantasy that it isn't or shouldn't be

[Industrial Virginia]

Wait...it isn't already?

For most of the world it is, though some have this fantasy that it isn't or shouldn't be

People that are forced to do something ultimately don't want to do it.

[Thermodolia]

For most of the world it is, though some have this fantasy that it isn't or shouldn't be

People that are forced to do something ultimately usually don't want to do it.

Going to school is one of those things. Like several people have said before suck it up buttercup

[Industrial Virginia]

People that are forced to do something ultimately usually don't want to do it.

Going to school is one of those things. Like several people have said before suck it up buttercup

Uh, so did you know that people that don't want to do stuff usually don't learn anything about what they don't want to do?

[Tee Googly Coffee Me]

I think basic education up to about middle school should be compulsory but after that optional, some kids do better in a trade school and should be able to do that without having to go to high school which would be useless. By the end of middle school, you should know all the basics anyway.

[Thermodolia]

Going to school is one of those things. Like several people have said before suck it up buttercup

Uh, so did you know that people that don't want to do stuff usually don't learn anything about what they don't want to do?

Look school is important and for at least 16-17 years needs to be mandatory. I don't care about the few kids that don't want to do it or don't learn anything from school. That's on them, they should have be responsible enough to pay attention and get a good education

[Industrial Virginia]

Uh, so did you know that people that don't want to do stuff usually don't learn anything about what they don't want to do?

Look school is important and for at least 16-17 years needs to be mandatory. I don't care about the few kids that don't want to do it or don't learn anything from school. That's on them, they should have be responsible enough to pay attention and get a good education

Ok, so let's waste tax money on literally useless education. If you want it so bad, let's provide it to people who want it, instead of people who are going to waste tax dollars.

[Thermodolia]

Look school is important and for at least 16-17 years needs to be mandatory. I don't care about the few kids that don't want to do it or don't learn anything from school. That's on them, they should have be responsible enough to pay attention and get a good education

Ok, so let's waste tax money on literally useless education.

It's not a waste if only a few don't learn anything. They should take personal responsibility and pay attention.
Besides the real world doesn't cater to everyone's whims

[Industrial Virginia]

Ok, so let's waste tax money on literally useless education.

It's not a waste if only a few don't learn anything. They should take personal responsibility and pay attention.
Besides the real world doesn't cater to everyone's whims

Ok, if the world doesn't cater to everyone's whims, we shouldn't care if people choose not to go to school.

[Thermodolia]

It's not a waste if only a few don't learn anything. They should take personal responsibility and pay attention.
Besides the real world doesn't cater to everyone's whims

Ok, if the world doesn't cater to everyone's whims, we shouldn't care if people choose not to go to school.

No we should because society as a whole does worse when people don't go to school, also it's not fair to those in school that some don't have to go to school. It's all or nothing, everyone goes to school for 17 years or no one does. There's no middle ground, no gray area; it's just black and white.

[Industrial Virginia]

Ok, if the world doesn't cater to everyone's whims, we shouldn't care if people choose not to go to school.

No we should because society as a whole does worse when people don't go to school, also it's not fair to those in school that some don't have to go to school. It's all or nothing, everyone goes to school for 17 years or no one does. There's no middle ground, no gray area; it's just black and white.

Yes there is with the free market. And again, people in school also experience large amounts of depression due to harassment. If we weren't required to, we wouldn't have such high suicide rates.

[Tee Googly Coffee Me]

uhhhhhhhh, going back to EARNING YOUR MONEY

What about people who want abortion clinics made illegal?

Based on this forum, whoever made this clearly wants a totally free or damn near totally free market with little to no government interference. People who want abortion to be made illegal are more authoritarian. I'm going to say by the "Go back to earning your money" response, in his perfect world, abortion would be legal.

[Industrial Virginia]

What about people who want abortion clinics made illegal?

Based on this forum, whoever made this clearly wants a totally free or damn near totally free market with little to no government interference. People who want abortion to be made illegal are more authoritarian. I'm going to say by the "Go back to earning your money" response, in his perfect world, abortion would be legal.

In my perfect world no one would want abortions, therefore the abortion clinics would go bankrupt.

[Thermodolia]

No we should because society as a whole does worse when people don't go to school, also it's not fair to those in school that some don't have to go to school. It's all or nothing, everyone goes to school for 17 years or no one does. There's no middle ground, no gray area; it's just black and white.

Yes there is with the free market. And again, people in school also experience large amounts of depression due to harassment. If we weren't required to, we wouldn't have such high suicide rates.

The free market isn't going to pay for education of kids because it's less expensive to make and program robots than teach kids.

The suicide rates are not connected to big required to go to school for X years. If people are depressed due to harassment then we deal with harassment.

You don't burn down your house if it's drafty, you fix the draft. The same with harassment in schools you don't close down schools because of it you go after the harassment

[Thermodolia]

Based on this forum, whoever made this clearly wants a totally free or damn near totally free market with little to no government interference. People who want abortion to be made illegal are more authoritarian. I'm going to say by the "Go back to earning your money" response, in his perfect world, abortion would be legal.

In my perfect world no one would want abortions, therefore the companies are bankrupt.

That doesn't make any sense

[Kernen]

Compulsory schooling increases rates of things the government has an interest in: literacy, mathematical competence, mainstream socialization, basic communication skills, etc. It also serves as an excellent, 12 year babysitting service. You get rid of that, and parents will have to spend a lot more on childcare.

School attendance shouldn't just be compulsory, it should be year-round. Nix summer vacations in primary education.

[Barunia]

Anyway, so, I am personally against compulsory school due to the fact that people should be responsible for getting their own education.

Sure, let's leave it up to a 7-year-old to make a rational choice about their future. Have you ever met a child?

If schooling is left to be a persons decision, it will probably then go back to being left to the free market. This would be good because it could allow schooling to be competitive and create supply and demand for schooling.

Take it from a teacher, this is a terrible idea. All it would do would be to increase the inequality in education, which is going to further the cycle of disadvantage. Education is the first step to breaking that cycle, don't make it part of the problem.

[Thermodolia]

Anyway, so, I am personally against compulsory school due to the fact that people should be responsible for getting their own education.

Sure, let's leave it up to a 7-year-old to make a rational choice about their future. Have you ever met a child?

If schooling is left to be a persons decision, it will probably then go back to being left to the free market. This would be good because it could allow schooling to be competitive and create supply and demand for schooling.

Take it from a teacher, this is a terrible idea. All it would do would be to increase the inequality in education, which is going to further the cycle of disadvantage. Education is the first step to breaking that cycle, don't make it part of the problem.

It seems to me that they've had a bad experience at school where they where harassed and possibly nobody did anything so now all school is evil.

[Forsher]

Going to school is one of those things. Like several people have said before suck it up buttercup

Uh, so did you know that people that don't want to do stuff usually don't learn anything about what they don't want to do?

The disengaged are an issue, yes. However, they hardly learn nothing. Education is like a disease... or a stalker... just when you think it's gone...

However, you really have to be totally committed to being disengaged to be a problem. There are times when pretty much everyone would rather be anywhere else and times where you just don't feel like it. This is not disengagement. Hence, the trick is making sure that people turn up even when their reason for not doing so is, e.g. "Maybe it will rain today"*.

*I live in a part of the world where, technically, this is true every day because the weather is extremely variable (the climate? not so much... there is the warmer and the colder period and, well, that's it). In practice, it can go for days or weeks without rain and can be very unexpected but that is not the point.

Look school is important and for at least 16-17 years needs to be mandatory. I don't care about the few kids that don't want to do it or don't learn anything from school. That's on them, they should have be responsible enough to pay attention and get a good education

Ok, so let's waste tax money on literally useless education. If you want it so bad, let's provide it to people who want it, instead of people who are going to waste tax dollars.

The people who want it aren't the pupils, not even the attentive ones.

The interested pupil is a particularly productive investment. The disinterested pupil a less productive investment. The entirely disengaged pupil is still something of a sponge, at least learns the basics of interpersonal interaction and is identifiable because, odds are, if you're a problem, you're probably a symptom too.

Which is to say... society wants education. And some individuals happen to like getting it, but that's not the point.

No we should because society as a whole does worse when people don't go to school, also it's not fair to those in school that some don't have to go to school. It's all or nothing, everyone goes to school for 17 years or no one does. There's no middle ground, no gray area; it's just black and white.

Yes there is with the free market. And again, people in school also experience large amounts of depression due to harassment. If we weren't required to, we wouldn't have such high suicide rates.

There is what with a free market?

The rest of the post is the sort of thing you should be talking about in terms of (a) empirics and (b) why the solution is to pretend the issue doesn't exist.

In my perfect world no one would want abortions, therefore the companies are bankrupt.

That doesn't make any sense

Diversify or die. If there is no demand for what you sell (abortion services), then you sell nothing, have no revenue and therefore have fixed costs that aren't met. These have to be met, so you go bankrupt.

This assumes, of course, that abortion providers do nothing else.

Ah, you might mean how this connects to earning money. I don't know.

[Kilobugya]

You can't make an informed choice if you have no education, so you can't invoke freedom of choice to get an education or not. Anyway, children (ie, below 16 or 18) don't make decisions by themselves, it's their parents who make decisions for them, so it's not "freedom of choice" for the involved person, and having parents who might not have the child's best interest in mind, or who can be religious biggots, or who can be subject of strong economical pressure to not send their children to school, or who may not realize the importance of education due to themselves not having a sufficient one, or ... decide is not the best option.

So yes, school should be mandatory at least from 4 to 16, much better from 3 to 18. And to public schooling, or at the very least to private schools with state-enforced curriculum, no "we don't teach evolution" or similar madness. Everyone must learn the basics on how the world works, and that includes evolution.

[Industrial Virginia]

You can't make an informed choice if you have no education, so you can't invoke freedom of choice to get an education or not. Anyway, children (ie, below 16 or 18) don't make decisions by themselves, it's their parents who make decisions for them, so it's not "freedom of choice" for the involved person, and having parents who might not have the child's best interest in mind, or who can be religious biggots, or who can be subject of strong economical pressure to not send their children to school, or who may not realize the importance of education due to themselves not having a sufficient one, or ... decide is not the best option.

So yes, school should be mandatory at least from 4 to 16, much better from 3 to 18. And to public schooling, or at the very least to private schools with state-enforced curriculum, no "we don't teach evolution" or similar madness. Everyone must learn the basics on how the world works, and that includes evolution.

People would still have access to education. There would actually, left to the free market, be advertisements for education that would then help people make the decision for getting in school. On the topic of the parents choice, of course it would be the parents choice due to them having the money. There might be loans that could be provided to the student, but the main sum of money would come from the parents. If the parents actually wanted to have their child have a decent life they would indeed send them to school whether with loans or money from parents. A thing we addressed earlier in the debate is that you can't waste tax dollars on people that don't want to be educated. Therefore at least we should have it at least that tax dollars are used for people that actually want to go to public school. OR, we can let the free market control the education system and give people the ability to NEVER have wasted tax dollars and for there to be a choice.

Also, evolution is a real theory (coming from a Christian) it's just the way it's taught is wrong.

[Thermodolia]

You can't make an informed choice if you have no education, so you can't invoke freedom of choice to get an education or not. Anyway, children (ie, below 16 or 18) don't make decisions by themselves, it's their parents who make decisions for them, so it's not "freedom of choice" for the involved person, and having parents who might not have the child's best interest in mind, or who can be religious biggots, or who can be subject of strong economical pressure to not send their children to school, or who may not realize the importance of education due to themselves not having a sufficient one, or ... decide is not the best option.

So yes, school should be mandatory at least from 4 to 16, much better from 3 to 18. And to public schooling, or at the very least to private schools with state-enforced curriculum, no "we don't teach evolution" or similar madness. Everyone must learn the basics on how the world works, and that includes evolution.

People would still have access to education. There would actually, left to the free market, be advertisements for education that would then help people make the decision for getting in school. On the topic of the parents choice, of course it would be the parents choice due to them having the money. There might be loans that could be provided to the student, but the main sum of money would come from the parents. If the parents actually wanted to have their child have a decent life they would indeed send them to school whether with loans or money from parents. A thing we addressed earlier in the debate is that you can't waste tax dollars on people that don't want to be educated. Therefore at least we should have it at least that tax dollars are used for people that actually want to go to public school. OR, we can let the free market control the education system and give people the ability to NEVER have wasted tax dollars and for there to be a choice.

Also, evolution is a real theory (coming from a Christian) it's just the way it's taught is wrong.

You can just wave you hand, say "the free market will fix it" three times, and expect everything to turn out fine.


A theory in scientific terms doesn't mean the same thing as a theory in laymans terms. Gravity is a theory

[Industrial Virginia]

People would still have access to education. There would actually, left to the free market, be advertisements for education that would then help people make the decision for getting in school. On the topic of the parents choice, of course it would be the parents choice due to them having the money. There might be loans that could be provided to the student, but the main sum of money would come from the parents. If the parents actually wanted to have their child have a decent life they would indeed send them to school whether with loans or money from parents. A thing we addressed earlier in the debate is that you can't waste tax dollars on people that don't want to be educated. Therefore at least we should have it at least that tax dollars are used for people that actually want to go to public school. OR, we can let the free market control the education system and give people the ability to NEVER have wasted tax dollars and for there to be a choice.

Also, evolution is a real theory (coming from a Christian) it's just the way it's taught is wrong.

You can just wave you hand, say "the free market will fix it" three times, and expect everything to turn out fine.


A theory in scientific terms doesn't mean the same thing as a theory in laymans terms. Gravity is a theory

Can't I say the same thing about government?