What about people who want abortion clinics made illegal?
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by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:18 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:50 am
Kaboomlandia wrote:Wait...it isn't already?
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:12 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:16 am
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:19 am
by Tee Googly Coffee Me » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:21 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:22 am
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:24 am
Thermodolia wrote:Industrial Virginia wrote:
Uh, so did you know that people that don't want to do stuff usually don't learn anything about what they don't want to do?
Look school is important and for at least 16-17 years needs to be mandatory. I don't care about the few kids that don't want to do it or don't learn anything from school. That's on them, they should have be responsible enough to pay attention and get a good education
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:26 am
Industrial Virginia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Look school is important and for at least 16-17 years needs to be mandatory. I don't care about the few kids that don't want to do it or don't learn anything from school. That's on them, they should have be responsible enough to pay attention and get a good education
Ok, so let's waste tax money on literally useless education.
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:27 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:31 am
Industrial Virginia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:It's not a waste if only a few don't learn anything. They should take personal responsibility and pay attention.
Besides the real world doesn't cater to everyone's whims
Ok, if the world doesn't cater to everyone's whims, we shouldn't care if people choose not to go to school.
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:32 am
Thermodolia wrote:Industrial Virginia wrote:
Ok, if the world doesn't cater to everyone's whims, we shouldn't care if people choose not to go to school.
No we should because society as a whole does worse when people don't go to school, also it's not fair to those in school that some don't have to go to school. It's all or nothing, everyone goes to school for 17 years or no one does. There's no middle ground, no gray area; it's just black and white.
by Tee Googly Coffee Me » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:33 am
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:34 am
Tee Googly Coffee Me wrote:Ryock wrote:What about people who want abortion clinics made illegal?
Based on this forum, whoever made this clearly wants a totally free or damn near totally free market with little to no government interference. People who want abortion to be made illegal are more authoritarian. I'm going to say by the "Go back to earning your money" response, in his perfect world, abortion would be legal.
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:37 am
Industrial Virginia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:No we should because society as a whole does worse when people don't go to school, also it's not fair to those in school that some don't have to go to school. It's all or nothing, everyone goes to school for 17 years or no one does. There's no middle ground, no gray area; it's just black and white.
Yes there is with the free market. And again, people in school also experience large amounts of depression due to harassment. If we weren't required to, we wouldn't have such high suicide rates.
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:38 am
Industrial Virginia wrote:Tee Googly Coffee Me wrote:Based on this forum, whoever made this clearly wants a totally free or damn near totally free market with little to no government interference. People who want abortion to be made illegal are more authoritarian. I'm going to say by the "Go back to earning your money" response, in his perfect world, abortion would be legal.
In my perfect world no one would want abortions, therefore the companies are bankrupt.
by Kernen » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:41 am
by Barunia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:45 am
Industrial Virginia wrote: Anyway, so, I am personally against compulsory school due to the fact that people should be responsible for getting their own education.
Industrial Virginia wrote:
If schooling is left to be a persons decision, it will probably then go back to being left to the free market. This would be good because it could allow schooling to be competitive and create supply and demand for schooling.
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:58 am
Barunia wrote:Industrial Virginia wrote: Anyway, so, I am personally against compulsory school due to the fact that people should be responsible for getting their own education.
Sure, let's leave it up to a 7-year-old to make a rational choice about their future. Have you ever met a child?Industrial Virginia wrote:
If schooling is left to be a persons decision, it will probably then go back to being left to the free market. This would be good because it could allow schooling to be competitive and create supply and demand for schooling.
Take it from a teacher, this is a terrible idea. All it would do would be to increase the inequality in education, which is going to further the cycle of disadvantage. Education is the first step to breaking that cycle, don't make it part of the problem.
by Forsher » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:01 am
Industrial Virginia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Look school is important and for at least 16-17 years needs to be mandatory. I don't care about the few kids that don't want to do it or don't learn anything from school. That's on them, they should have be responsible enough to pay attention and get a good education
Ok, so let's waste tax money on literally useless education. If you want it so bad, let's provide it to people who want it, instead of people who are going to waste tax dollars.
Industrial Virginia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:No we should because society as a whole does worse when people don't go to school, also it's not fair to those in school that some don't have to go to school. It's all or nothing, everyone goes to school for 17 years or no one does. There's no middle ground, no gray area; it's just black and white.
Yes there is with the free market. And again, people in school also experience large amounts of depression due to harassment. If we weren't required to, we wouldn't have such high suicide rates.
by Kilobugya » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:22 am
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:39 am
Kilobugya wrote:You can't make an informed choice if you have no education, so you can't invoke freedom of choice to get an education or not. Anyway, children (ie, below 16 or 18) don't make decisions by themselves, it's their parents who make decisions for them, so it's not "freedom of choice" for the involved person, and having parents who might not have the child's best interest in mind, or who can be religious biggots, or who can be subject of strong economical pressure to not send their children to school, or who may not realize the importance of education due to themselves not having a sufficient one, or ... decide is not the best option.
So yes, school should be mandatory at least from 4 to 16, much better from 3 to 18. And to public schooling, or at the very least to private schools with state-enforced curriculum, no "we don't teach evolution" or similar madness. Everyone must learn the basics on how the world works, and that includes evolution.
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:44 am
Industrial Virginia wrote:Kilobugya wrote:You can't make an informed choice if you have no education, so you can't invoke freedom of choice to get an education or not. Anyway, children (ie, below 16 or 18) don't make decisions by themselves, it's their parents who make decisions for them, so it's not "freedom of choice" for the involved person, and having parents who might not have the child's best interest in mind, or who can be religious biggots, or who can be subject of strong economical pressure to not send their children to school, or who may not realize the importance of education due to themselves not having a sufficient one, or ... decide is not the best option.
So yes, school should be mandatory at least from 4 to 16, much better from 3 to 18. And to public schooling, or at the very least to private schools with state-enforced curriculum, no "we don't teach evolution" or similar madness. Everyone must learn the basics on how the world works, and that includes evolution.
People would still have access to education. There would actually, left to the free market, be advertisements for education that would then help people make the decision for getting in school. On the topic of the parents choice, of course it would be the parents choice due to them having the money. There might be loans that could be provided to the student, but the main sum of money would come from the parents. If the parents actually wanted to have their child have a decent life they would indeed send them to school whether with loans or money from parents. A thing we addressed earlier in the debate is that you can't waste tax dollars on people that don't want to be educated. Therefore at least we should have it at least that tax dollars are used for people that actually want to go to public school. OR, we can let the free market control the education system and give people the ability to NEVER have wasted tax dollars and for there to be a choice.
Also, evolution is a real theory (coming from a Christian) it's just the way it's taught is wrong.
by Industrial Virginia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:44 am
Thermodolia wrote:Industrial Virginia wrote:
People would still have access to education. There would actually, left to the free market, be advertisements for education that would then help people make the decision for getting in school. On the topic of the parents choice, of course it would be the parents choice due to them having the money. There might be loans that could be provided to the student, but the main sum of money would come from the parents. If the parents actually wanted to have their child have a decent life they would indeed send them to school whether with loans or money from parents. A thing we addressed earlier in the debate is that you can't waste tax dollars on people that don't want to be educated. Therefore at least we should have it at least that tax dollars are used for people that actually want to go to public school. OR, we can let the free market control the education system and give people the ability to NEVER have wasted tax dollars and for there to be a choice.
Also, evolution is a real theory (coming from a Christian) it's just the way it's taught is wrong.
You can just wave you hand, say "the free market will fix it" three times, and expect everything to turn out fine.
A theory in scientific terms doesn't mean the same thing as a theory in laymans terms. Gravity is a theory
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