Should School Attendance be Compulsory?

[Neutraligon]

Or, ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robots don't just appear out of the blue, and even so if they where economically viable why the fuck would companies and businesses invest in education when they can program a few 1,000 robots to do it?

Given that is exactly what they are doing now...

[Thermodolia]

But yet you don't pay any

Because the government doesn't think I need to. I don't earn above the income rate that the government deems taxable, therefore I'm not taxed and thus don't pay taxes.

So why do you have a problem with it? You don't pay anything, I do and I have no problem with it.

[Bressen]

I think you can infer why I think it's stupid based on the fact that I'm against income tax.

That doesn't tell me why you think it's stupid, just that you do think that it is a stupid belief.

I think it's stupid because you're willingly giving someone your money who, if you didn't give them money, would throw you in a cage. You're allowing this evil middleman to exist, when you yourself could be a shining example and instead donate your money to people who need it directly.

[Imperializt Russia]

so what would pay for it?

VAT/consumption tax is pretty nice. Any method of taxation that doesn't result in people being extorted/threatened with being thrown into a cage is fine by me.

Attempted VAT/consumption tax evasion would, y'know, result in people being extorted/threatened with being thrown into a cage.

The difference is fairly meaningless.
This would still hit the poor the hardest, since the poor have to spend a much greater portion of their total income, and have little in savings. Meanwhile, the wealthy typically spend a very small proportion of their income and are usually able to amass further wealth in this manner with relative ease.

How do you justify this disparity?

[Valgora]

so what would pay for it?

VAT/consumption tax is pretty nice. Any method of taxation that doesn't result in people being extorted/threatened with being thrown into a cage is fine by me.

So a sales tax.
You do realize that sales taxes are regressive, right?

[San Lumen]

So education should be a choice as should homeschooling? Im not following your logic. By your logic if i want to speed down the highway i should be allowed to? How fast I drive should be choice?

What on Earth are you talking about? Education should be a choice because it only impacts the person who's choosing not to get an education.

And no, that's not what my logic entails at all. You can't speed down a highway because you're likely to end up hitting someone; you have your choice of how fast you can drive limited by the law so you don't infringe on someone else by ramming into them at 100mph.

but you said before its not the governments job to regulate that just like education.

so what would pay for it?

VAT/consumption tax is pretty nice. Any method of taxation that doesn't result in people being extorted/threatened with being thrown into a cage is fine by me.

And taxation is extortion? Last time i checked extortion is a crime. and with a consumption tax you want to pay more money for everything you buy?

[Valgora]

I think school should be compulsory until someone is 16 years old.
The reason why I say 16 instead of 18 is because I like Finland's education system.

16-17 is what most of the US has in place

Isn't it 18?
That's when most graduate high school.

[Patridam]

Education is a unique product in the sense that it is somewhere between a public good (an educated population aids society in general in the same way the military and roads do, unless maybe we're talking about a post-secondary gender studies degree)

"Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies majors develop skills that are highly valued by employers. These skills include: critical thinking, research, analysis, oral/written communication, presentation, and problem solving skills. Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies majors may find employment in a variety of areas depending on their skills and experience. Some Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies graduates choose to work in advocacy or social services-related positions, community development, business, and government. Career-related internships or part-time jobs may be a prerequisite to finding professional-level employment after graduation in these and other fields."
uhhh

https://www.gvsu.edu/wgs/what-can-i-do- ... -in-69.htm

Ah yes, because a college website encouraging people to purchase their product (a gender studies degree) is completely unbiased and a totally accurate source regarding the usefulness of said degree.

Do you also find this advertising a credible source?

[Imperializt Russia]

That doesn't tell me why you think it's stupid, just that you do think that it is a stupid belief.

I think it's stupid because you're willingly giving someone your money who, if you didn't give them money, would throw you in a cage. You're allowing this evil middleman to exist, when you yourself could be a shining example and instead donate your money to people who need it directly.

Well unlike in the US, where citizens have to self-assess, self-declare and physically pay their taxes, we in the UK have our taxes automatically deducted by the government. So, evading paying income tax is about as feasible as evading paying the VAT/consumption taxes you propose in its place.

So why are you so fixated on this notion of "giving the government money" else being "thrown in a cage"?
We don't need to.

[Diopolis]

I personally believe parents should be allowed to decide what's best for their child. But I realize the benefits of having kids go to school for a basic education.

Ya no I don't want children to get fucked over and be homeschooled because mommy and daddy think the government is going to indoctrinate their kids

Homeschooled kids are by most metrics better educated than their peers in public schools. I don't really see how it's any sort of disservice.

[San Lumen]

What on Earth are you talking about? Education should be a choice because it only impacts the person who's choosing not to get an education.

And no, that's not what my logic entails at all. You can't speed down a highway because you're likely to end up hitting someone; you have your choice of how fast you can drive limited by the law so you don't infringe on someone else by ramming into them at 100mph.

Why should children be punished for their parents' idiocy to not send them to school? Is it really a matter of personal responsibility when a 10 year old isn't getting an education?

They shouldn't be. That ten year old cannot decide for themselves under the law.

[Australian rePublic]

You do realise that schooling starts at age 4/5 right? (Younger if you count pre-school). You seriously want 5 year olds to make their own decisions about something as important as schooling and education? Please tell me you're taking the piss. Up next, let's issue major credit cards to 5 year olds and let them vote in national elections!

[Claya]

As a person who is experiencing the horrible state of the American education system right now, I'd have to say no. I don't want to be lectured for eight hours straight for five days a week, around 36 weeks a year. And that's not counting weeks with less than five days.

[Thermodolia]

16-17 is what most of the US has in place

Isn't it 18?
That's when most graduate high school.

It's not a requirement, that's just culture. Where I live you only have to be in school till 16

[San Lumen]

Ya no I don't want children to get fucked over and be homeschooled because mommy and daddy think the government is going to indoctrinate their kids

Homeschooled kids are by most metrics better educated than their peers in public schools. I don't really see how it's any sort of disservice.

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Ya no I don't want children to get fucked over and be homeschooled because mommy and daddy think the government is going to indoctrinate their kids

Homeschooled kids are by most metrics better educated than their peers in public schools. I don't really see how it's any sort of disservice.

I don't imagine many parents are up to the task of teaching all the important subjects

[Bressen]

What on Earth are you talking about? Education should be a choice because it only impacts the person who's choosing not to get an education.

And no, that's not what my logic entails at all. You can't speed down a highway because you're likely to end up hitting someone; you have your choice of how fast you can drive limited by the law so you don't infringe on someone else by ramming into them at 100mph.

Why should children be punished for their parents' idiocy to not send them to school? Is it really a matter of personal responsibility when a 10 year old isn't getting an education?

It's a matter of parental responsibility, and I'll admit that it sucks, but the government (generally speaking) shouldn't be getting involved in family relationships. Some people aren't cut out to be parents, and I think the parents that refuse to send their children to school are likely going to be causing more severe issues to their children, such as parental neglect. However, the number of these types of parents is so low to begin with.

The correct course of action is to then negotiate with the parent, and hope they can see reason, not lock them up or impose a fine on them.

[Valgora]

Ya no I don't want children to get fucked over and be homeschooled because mommy and daddy think the government is going to indoctrinate their kids

Homeschooled kids are by most metrics better educated than their peers in public schools. I don't really see how it's any sort of disservice.

Homeschooled will most likely keep them from gaining any real social interaction.

[Imperializt Russia]

"Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies majors develop skills that are highly valued by employers. These skills include: critical thinking, research, analysis, oral/written communication, presentation, and problem solving skills. Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies majors may find employment in a variety of areas depending on their skills and experience. Some Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies graduates choose to work in advocacy or social services-related positions, community development, business, and government. Career-related internships or part-time jobs may be a prerequisite to finding professional-level employment after graduation in these and other fields."
uhhh

https://www.gvsu.edu/wgs/what-can-i-do- ... -in-69.htm

Ah yes, because a college website encouraging people to purchase their product (a gender studies degree) is completely unbiased and a totally accurate source regarding the usefulness of said degree.

Are you going to attempt to refute the basic principle?
Explain why "gender studies" graduates are useless.

Many chemistry graduates in the UK go into accountancy, for basically the same reasoning Grand Valley State-U advertises for its gender degrees.

[Internationalist Bastard]

As a person who is experiencing the horrible state of the American education system right now, I'd have to say no. I don't want to be lectured for eight hours straight for five days a week, around 36 weeks a year. And that's not counting weeks with less than five days.

Well it's this crap or getting nothing

[San Lumen]

Why should children be punished for their parents' idiocy to not send them to school? Is it really a matter of personal responsibility when a 10 year old isn't getting an education?

It's a matter of parental responsibility, and I'll admit that it sucks, but the government (generally speaking) shouldn't be getting involved in family relationships. Some people aren't cut out to be parents, and I think the parents that refuse to send their children to school are likely going to be causing more severe issues to their children, such as parental neglect. However, the number of these types of parents is so low to begin with.

The correct course of action is to then negotiate with the parent, and hope they can see reason, not lock them up or impose a fine on them.

And what if they don't? just say fine its your choice?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Homeschooled kids are by most metrics better educated than their peers in public schools. I don't really see how it's any sort of disservice.

Homeschooled will most likely keep them from gaining any real social interaction.

Did nobody else heavily socialize as a kid outside of school?

[Kubra]

I will say that as a matter of money use, compulsory counselling does a world more good than fines.

[Neutraligon]

Homeschooled kids are by most metrics better educated than their peers in public schools. I don't really see how it's any sort of disservice.

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

From what I have seen home schooling tends to lead to extremes. For those who are home schooled by people who actually know how to teach the material and who know what material to actually teach most of the time those students seem to be at or above level. All to often though home schooling at least in the US is religious based and students don't even have the basic knowledge of things like science and the such.

[Valgora]

Homeschooled will most likely keep them from gaining any real social interaction.

Did nobody else heavily socialize as a kid outside of school?

I did, but really only with friends I met at school.