Should School Attendance be Compulsory?

[Internationalist Bastard]

And let's say those kids don't have money, like, most kids

F R E E E D U C A T I O N

How, who's paying for it?

[Thermodolia]

I personally believe parents should be allowed to decide what's best for their child. But I realize the benefits of having kids go to school for a basic education.

Ya no I don't want children to get fucked over and be homeschooled because mommy and daddy think the government is going to indoctrinate their kids

[Reploid Productions]

Well you have dangerous socialist attitude and you're english me tit

DOS go boom.


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[Imperializt Russia]

I'm 23, also in education, and am unemployed (and before you insinuate, I take no benefits ), yet for some reason, I'm pro-taxes, and will remain pro-taxes once I enter a career field.

Well you have dangerous socialist attitude and you're english me tit

Astute observations.

I am motivated by the interest of society being bettered, not my own personal self-interest. I don't receive state benefits, but I want to support the welfare state with my taxes. I am burdened by extreme student debt, and I want no-one else who comes after me to be subjected to it. etc.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm 23, also in education, and am unemployed (and before you insinuate, I take no benefits ), yet for some reason, I'm pro-taxes, and will remain pro-taxes once I enter a career field.

Good for you? I'm not sure what point you was trying to make here, other than the fact that you are X and have Y opinion. I think it's a stupid opinion, but you're welcome to have it.

Explain its stupidity to me, m'lud, I apologise fur me insol'nce.

[Bressen]

Because we shouldn't be forcing people to attend school if they don't want to, and we certainly shouldn't go on to threaten the parents of those people with fines if they refuse to force their child to attend school.

Why should there be a choice? Parents or students should be able to choose to be totally uneducated? Should there be homeschooling or should that be a choice too?

Choice is our full expression of personal freedom. I'm not saying that the choice to not go into education is a good choice - in fact it's terrible and conducive to a bad life - but I'm not then going to go on and say people can't freely make that choice. I don't get off by dictating what's best for people, and if they wanna do something, I'll ultimately let them do it (of course, I'll try to persuade them not to initially).

[Bressen]

Maybe not necessarily a voucher system, but I'd just like to see more choice in general for schooling. Like I said, I don't know much about the alternative methods, so I don't really want to get into a discussion about them.

So your opposed to something but don't knew the alternatives? Makes perfect sense.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PUBLIC EDUCATION, WEW LAD.

[Bressen]

Good for you? I'm not sure what point you was trying to make here, other than the fact that you are X and have Y opinion. I think it's a stupid opinion, but you're welcome to have it.

Explain its stupidity to me, m'lud, I apologise fur me insol'nce.

I think you can infer why I think it's stupid based on the fact that I'm against income tax.

[Thermodolia]

So your opposed to something but don't knew the alternatives? Makes perfect sense.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PUBLIC EDUCATION, WEW LAD.

You're just opposed to taxes paying for it

[San Lumen]

Why should there be a choice? Parents or students should be able to choose to be totally uneducated? Should there be homeschooling or should that be a choice too?

Choice is our full expression of personal freedom. I'm not saying that the choice to not go into education is a good choice - in fact it's terrible and conducive to a bad life - but I'm not then going to go on and say people can't freely make that choice. I don't get off by dictating what's best for people, and if they wanna do something, I'll ultimately let them do it (of course, I'll try to persuade them not to initially).

So education should be a choice as should homeschooling? Im not following your logic. By your logic if i want to speed down the highway i should be allowed to? How fast I drive should be choice?

[Bressen]

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PUBLIC EDUCATION, WEW LAD.

You're just opposed to taxes paying for it

I'm opposed to income taxes paying for it, because I'm opposed to income taxes.

[Imperializt Russia]

Why should there be a choice? Parents or students should be able to choose to be totally uneducated? Should there be homeschooling or should that be a choice too?

Choice is our full expression of personal freedom. I'm not saying that the choice to not go into education is a good choice - in fact it's terrible and conducive to a bad life - but I'm not then going to go on and say people can't freely make that choice. I don't get off by dictating what's best for people, and if they wanna do something, I'll ultimately let them do it (of course, I'll try to persuade them not to initially).

You're basing this on a false and facile perception of what "freedom" is.

Your argument is they should be free to not make the dumb (your inference) choice to not send their child to school. They will be dissuaded from this - and kids themselves will be dissuaded from not paying attention in school - by the fact that if they don't receive an education, they will be unemployable.
And since your world clearly detests the welfare state, they will probably die.

This is in no reasonable way "freedom". The freedom to (indirectly) starve is not freedom.

[Patridam]

Education is a unique product in the sense that it is somewhere between a public good (an educated population aids society in general in the same way the military and roads do, unless maybe we're talking about a post-secondary gender studies degree) and a private human capital good (education is an investment into better earning opportunities). There is some point at which the private good capacity overtakes the public good capacity, and a point at which the costs of a government funded compulsory education outweigh the potential benefits to society.

It's impossible to really and truly determine an optimal time when these factors are balanced, especially since they vary so much from student to student with how seriously he/she takes his/her schooling, but I think 18 is a reasonable age, and that mandatory school attendance is wise.

And thus the government should pay for schooling to such an age by way of taxes, as it do other public goods. Whether it should be the government itself administering the education is another issue.

[San Lumen]

You're just opposed to taxes paying for it

I'm opposed to income taxes paying for it, because I'm opposed to income taxes.

so what would pay for it?

[Thermodolia]

You're just opposed to taxes paying for it

I'm opposed to income taxes paying for it, because I'm opposed to income taxes.

But yet you don't pay any

[Imperializt Russia]

Explain its stupidity to me, m'lud, I apologise fur me insol'nce.

I think you can infer why I think it's stupid based on the fact that I'm against income tax.

That doesn't tell me why you think it's stupid, just that you do think that it is a stupid belief.

[Bressen]

Choice is our full expression of personal freedom. I'm not saying that the choice to not go into education is a good choice - in fact it's terrible and conducive to a bad life - but I'm not then going to go on and say people can't freely make that choice. I don't get off by dictating what's best for people, and if they wanna do something, I'll ultimately let them do it (of course, I'll try to persuade them not to initially).

So education should be a choice as should homeschooling? Im not following your logic. By your logic if i want to speed down the highway i should be allowed to? How fast I drive should be choice?

What on Earth are you talking about? Education should be a choice because it only impacts the person who's choosing not to get an education.

And no, that's not what my logic entails at all. You can't speed down a highway because you're likely to end up hitting someone; you have your choice of how fast you can drive limited by the law so you don't infringe on someone else by ramming into them at 100mph.

[Bressen]

I'm opposed to income taxes paying for it, because I'm opposed to income taxes.

But yet you don't pay any

Because the government doesn't think I need to. I don't earn above the income rate that the government deems taxable, therefore I'm not taxed and thus don't pay taxes.

[Valgora]

I think school should be compulsory until someone is 16 years old.
The reason why I say 16 instead of 18 is because I like Finland's education system.

[Bressen]

I'm opposed to income taxes paying for it, because I'm opposed to income taxes.

so what would pay for it?

VAT/consumption tax is pretty nice. Any method of taxation that doesn't result in people being extorted/threatened with being thrown into a cage is fine by me.

[Imperializt Russia]

Education is a unique product in the sense that it is somewhere between a public good (an educated population aids society in general in the same way the military and roads do, unless maybe we're talking about a post-secondary gender studies degree)

"Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies majors develop skills that are highly valued by employers. These skills include: critical thinking, research, analysis, oral/written communication, presentation, and problem solving skills. Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies majors may find employment in a variety of areas depending on their skills and experience. Some Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies graduates choose to work in advocacy or social services-related positions, community development, business, and government. Career-related internships or part-time jobs may be a prerequisite to finding professional-level employment after graduation in these and other fields."
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https://www.gvsu.edu/wgs/what-can-i-do- ... -in-69.htm

[Novsvacro]

So education should be a choice as should homeschooling? Im not following your logic. By your logic if i want to speed down the highway i should be allowed to? How fast I drive should be choice?

What on Earth are you talking about? Education should be a choice because it only impacts the person who's choosing not to get an education.

And no, that's not what my logic entails at all. You can't speed down a highway because you're likely to end up hitting someone; you have your choice of how fast you can drive limited by the law so you don't infringe on someone else by ramming into them at 100mph.

Why should children be punished for their parents' idiocy to not send them to school? Is it really a matter of personal responsibility when a 10 year old isn't getting an education?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I think school should be compulsory until someone is 16 years old.
The reason why I say 16 instead of 18 is because I like Finland's education system.

I think that's fair enough

[Diopolis]

Education should be compulsory.
That being said, I'm not so sure about the way we do it now. I definitely support the growth of homeschooling and apprenticeship programs, and formal education is all too often very expensive daycare- it's more to keep the kids occupied than to actually do anything useful.

[Thermodolia]

I think school should be compulsory until someone is 16 years old.
The reason why I say 16 instead of 18 is because I like Finland's education system.

16-17 is what most of the US has in place