Should School Attendance be Compulsory?

[Kubra]

By making more of a currency to pay of debts.
Which is terrible by the way, by making more of a currency, you are devaluating it, and thus keeping your debt at the same size while also reducing the wealth of your country.
Governments aren't all knowing, they are humans, just like us. They don't consider every factor.

No.

A debt is a fixed figure of cash value money you owe someone, minus the interest.
Inflation functionally devalues the figure of debt.
After 100% inflation, a £3000 debt is "worth" only £1500 of "old money", because it's still valued at £3000.
Meanwhile, your pay packet goes from £20k to £40k.

dude means that it devalues the debt by the standpoint of the creditor.
That said, government bonds have low returns in the first place, regardless of the rate of inflation.

[San Lumen]

No. Nothing should be compulsory unless it's a compulsory measure to prevent harm from occurring to other people.

If a parent doesn't strongly encourage their child to attend school or child is too idiotic to not attend school, then that's on them. If they then complain that they don't have a job and can't afford anything, then that's on them. Personal responsibility is wonderful.

So basically make education a choice and leave the government out of education entirely? Are you for real?

[Mezonpotania]

No. Nothing should be compulsory unless it's a compulsory measure to prevent harm from occurring to other people.

If a parent doesn't strongly encourage their child to attend school or child is too idiotic to not attend school, then that's on them. If they then complain that they don't have a job and can't afford anything, then that's on them. Personal responsibility is wonderful.

So basically make education a choice and leave the government out of education entirely? Are you for real?

Yes.

Also, Bressen, I think I'm in love!

[Imperializt Russia]

No.

A debt is a fixed figure of cash value money you owe someone, minus the interest.
Inflation functionally devalues the figure of debt.
After 100% inflation, a £3000 debt is "worth" only £1500 of "old money", because it's still valued at £3000.
Meanwhile, your pay packet goes from £20k to £40k.

You still are a person who doesn't consider every factor.

Thus, I will not argue with an idiot.

What "every factor" am I failing to account for? Spell it out, lad.

If the "government" is "just humans" and therefore "can't take into account every factor", then you've literally admitted that neither "the market" nor the individuals participating in it can either.

[Thermodolia]

so those who cant afford private schools will be out of luck? we should be worrying about schools being profitable over giving quality education?

You really want a private company building schools? Whose going to decide the curriculum, the company building the school. I brought race in because its something that could happen under the OP's proposal.

On the poor and education thing, you do know there is such thing as public charity right?
People will try to look good, or are actually good, so they will donate to charity.
Plus, there is also inheritance and finally, EARNING YOUR MONEY.
You should try and earn money or save up before having a child! Otherwise, don't have one.

If you are raped, or just have an unexpected pregnancy, take birth control or have an abortion.
DONE.

Charity doesn't work like you think it does

[Oneracon]

Education is not a commodity so attempting to operate in a free-market system is doomed to fail. School attendance should be compulsory until the student has reached the age of majority in their jurisdiction... at which point they are considered adults and would be responsible for the consequences of "signing out" or not attending.

Usually whenever I try to complain about stuff, I make a fool of myself. Now for a controversial topic that probably won't make me sound stupid. Anyway, so, I am personally against compulsory school due to the fact that people should be responsible for getting their own education. If schooling is left to be a persons decision, it will probably then go back to being left to the free market. This would be good because it could allow schooling to be competitive and create supply and demand for schooling.

Whatd'ya think? I know I'm probably wrong somewhere in there, so feel free to correct me politely

Schooling up to sixteen (or whatever age) should be compulsory. Whether that is state or private or (at a push) home schooling is really up to the parents, as long as they can legitimately demonstrate the child is getting a fully rounded education in maths, science, the language of the country they are in (English for Britain, French for France etc) and literature (not religious indoctrination) and some level of physical exercise. History & Geography should be added later, along with more science and so on. But mostly a well balanced, well rounded education that isn't warped by the religious bias of the people doing the educating.

And if the child is not getting that, the parents should be punished (fined, imprisoned, children removed and put into care, parents tortured, executed, whipped naked through the streets, forced to watch Big Brother, stakes driven through their hearts - whatever works..... ).

If a child is being homeschooled, there should be periodic inspections to ensure that they're actually being taught the curriculum. My uncle and his wife homeschool their two sons because they're too religious to send them to public school and also don't want to pay for a Christian school from whatever their denomination is... and I have serious doubts about their kids' education (especially since my one cousin is very clearly on the autism spectrum and there's no indication they're taking that into account).

[Mezonpotania]

You still are a person who doesn't consider every factor.

Thus, I will not argue with an idiot.

What "every factor" am I failing to account for? Spell it out, lad.

If the "government" is "just humans" and therefore "can't take into account every factor", then you've literally admitted that neither "the market" nor the individuals participating in it can either.

The market will want money, and then thus force themselves to account for every factor, if they want to make money.
Companies are willingly ran by thousands of people. Those thousands of people will be chosen to be the smartest to account for every factor.

[Thermodolia]

if I recall, tax money spent on education is 2.8%. The amount of tax dollars going to education is tiny. So is the tax rate for the poor - most of the burden falls on the richer

Also, income tax is over 30% on even the poor, which the 70% they have is less than they need to support themselves.
They wouldn't need welfare or any of the other crappy government programs if the government wasn't spending 30% of their income!

No income tax is not 30%, it's actually 10%. The income tax is a sliding scale ranging from 10% to 30% in 5% increments

[Novsvacro]

so those who cant afford private schools will be out of luck? we should be worrying about schools being profitable over giving quality education?

You really want a private company building schools? Whose going to decide the curriculum, the company building the school. I brought race in because its something that could happen under the OP's proposal.

On the poor and education thing, you do know there is such thing as public charity right?
People will try to look good, or are actually good, so they will donate to charity.
Plus, there is also inheritance and finally, EARNING YOUR MONEY.
You should try and earn money or save up before having a child! Otherwise, don't have one.

If you are raped, or just have an unexpected pregnancy, take birth control or have an abortion.
DONE.

Charity can't possibly support all of the poor. You need actual tax-based welfare and education susbsidies to make a private school only system work.

[Imperializt Russia]

so those who cant afford private schools will be out of luck? we should be worrying about schools being profitable over giving quality education?

You really want a private company building schools? Whose going to decide the curriculum, the company building the school. I brought race in because its something that could happen under the OP's proposal.

On the poor and education thing, you do know there is such thing as public charity right?
People will try to look good, or are actually good, so they will donate to charity.
Plus, there is also inheritance and finally, EARNING YOUR MONEY.
You should try and earn money or save up before having a child! Otherwise, don't have one.

If you are raped, or just have an unexpected pregnancy, take birth control or have an abortion.
DONE.

What do you have to say to the basic fact that it will be physically impossible to "EARNING YOUR MONEY" for the majority of people because that's not how a market fucking works? Someone has to be at the bottom. Lots of someones. Otherwise the system collapses, because then the capitalists (who you seem to admire for some reason) can't profit their huge sums because that value does not exist.

[San Lumen]

So basically make education a choice and leave the government out of education entirely? Are you for real?

Yes.

Also, Bressen, I think I'm in love!

And why do you want it to be a choice? Who would be deciding what is taught? Provincial or state governments, county or municipalities? Or the individual schools?

[Imperializt Russia]

What "every factor" am I failing to account for? Spell it out, lad.

If the "government" is "just humans" and therefore "can't take into account every factor", then you've literally admitted that neither "the market" nor the individuals participating in it can either.

The market will want money, and then thus force themselves to account for every factor, if they want to make money.
Companies are willingly ran by thousands of people. Those thousands of people will be chosen to be the smartest to account for every factor.

Thousands of people run the fucking government.

[San Lumen]

What "every factor" am I failing to account for? Spell it out, lad.

If the "government" is "just humans" and therefore "can't take into account every factor", then you've literally admitted that neither "the market" nor the individuals participating in it can either.

The market will want money, and then thus force themselves to account for every factor, if they want to make money.
Companies are willingly ran by thousands of people. Those thousands of people will be chosen to be the smartest to account for every factor.

again i ask why should everything be about making a profit?

[Kubra]

The market will want money, and then thus force themselves to account for every factor, if they want to make money.
Companies are willingly ran by thousands of people. Those thousands of people will be chosen to be the smartest to account for every factor.

Thousands of people run the fucking government.

Willingly, one might add

[Thermodolia]

What "every factor" am I failing to account for? Spell it out, lad.

If the "government" is "just humans" and therefore "can't take into account every factor", then you've literally admitted that neither "the market" nor the individuals participating in it can either.

The market will want money, and then thus force themselves to account for every factor, if they want to make money.
Companies are willingly ran by thousands of people. Those thousands of people will be chosen to be the smartest to account for every factor.

Management can be very fucking stupid, so no companies aren't hiring the smartest

[Thermodolia]

Thousands of people run the fucking government.

Willingly, one might add

Probably more so than the private sector

[Mezonpotania]

On the poor and education thing, you do know there is such thing as public charity right?
People will try to look good, or are actually good, so they will donate to charity.
Plus, there is also inheritance and finally, EARNING YOUR MONEY.
You should try and earn money or save up before having a child! Otherwise, don't have one.

If you are raped, or just have an unexpected pregnancy, take birth control or have an abortion.
DONE.

What do you have to say to the basic fact that it will be physically impossible to "EARNING YOUR MONEY" for the majority of people because that's not how a market fucking works? Someone has to be at the bottom. Lots of someones. Otherwise the system collapses, because then the capitalists (who you seem to admire for some reason) can't profit their huge sums because that value does not exist.

Or, ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mezonpotania]

The market will want money, and then thus force themselves to account for every factor, if they want to make money.
Companies are willingly ran by thousands of people. Those thousands of people will be chosen to be the smartest to account for every factor.

Management can be very fucking stupid, so no companies aren't hiring the smartest

Then Management will go out of business!
You still don't account for anything I previously say!

[Kubra]

Willingly, one might add

Probably more so than the private sector

I mean, government careers are real nice, that's why they're super competitive for getting into.
Here, anyways.

[Risottia]

Usually whenever I try to complain about stuff, I make a fool of myself. Now for a controversial topic that probably won't make me sound stupid. Anyway, so, I am personally against compulsory school due to the fact that people should be responsible for getting their own education. If schooling is left to be a persons decision, it will probably then go back to being left to the free market. This would be good because it could allow schooling to be competitive and create supply and demand for schooling.

Whatd'ya think? I know I'm probably wrong somewhere in there, so feel free to correct me politely

You forgot that minors =/= adults.

And "leaving it to the free market" would yield, as it used to do, to kids of the poorest sectors not being sent to school by their families who would instead send them to work.

As usual, invoking the Free Market Fairy ends up in Screw The Poor. Who would have guessed.

[Kubra]

Management can be very fucking stupid, so no companies aren't hiring the smartest

Then Management will go out of business!
You still don't account for anything I previously say!

and suddenly there's a lot of kids ending their school year early

[Thermodolia]

What do you have to say to the basic fact that it will be physically impossible to "EARNING YOUR MONEY" for the majority of people because that's not how a market fucking works? Someone has to be at the bottom. Lots of someones. Otherwise the system collapses, because then the capitalists (who you seem to admire for some reason) can't profit their huge sums because that value does not exist.

Or, ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robots don't just appear out of the blue, and even so if they where economically viable why the fuck would companies and businesses invest in education when they can program a few 1,000 robots to do it?

[Thermodolia]

Management can be very fucking stupid, so no companies aren't hiring the smartest

Then Management will go out of business!
You still don't account for anything I previously say!

You've evidently never worked a day in your life

[Bressen]

No. Nothing should be compulsory unless it's a compulsory measure to prevent harm from occurring to other people.

If a parent doesn't strongly encourage their child to attend school or child is too idiotic to not attend school, then that's on them. If they then complain that they don't have a job and can't afford anything, then that's on them. Personal responsibility is wonderful.

So basically 1. make education a choice and 2. leave the government out of education entirely? 3. Are you for real?

1. Yeah.
2. I didn't say that.
3. Are you?

[Thermodolia]

Probably more so than the private sector

I mean, government careers are real nice, that's why they're super competitive for getting into.
Here, anyways.

Government careers are some of the best in the US