New Orleans Begins Process of "Removing History"

[Neutraligon]

Bullshit they fought to protect their homeland. They started the war, and complained when the North retaliated and crushed them in response to their aggression. What did they think was going to happen? If anything, the Union was protecting itself from a hostile South, who made a long history of never being appeased and making constant demands upon the North.

In my view attacking Fort Sumter is not an act of war (since its on Southern soil). However, the North was the first to cross the line and actually invade. So I would say they started the war.

THe soil may have been in the south but the fort was owned by the US government. The south had no more right to it then I have to invade your property and take it from you.

[Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea]

He'll be going soon.

In fact his racism tendency are one of the reasons why he is going.

And good riddance to him.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

He'll be going soon.

In fact his racism is one of the reasons why he is going.

I would have kept him.

It is the ultimate mockery to be in the bill of a central Federal bank, something he despised.

[Neutraligon]

In fact his racism is one of the reasons why he is going.

I would have kept him.

It is the ultimate mockery to be in the bill of a central Federal bank, something he despised.

Oh I found that hilarious. Let's honor someone who hates the notion of a national bank by putting him on the currency controlled and coined by that bank.

[Kanadorika]

In fact his racism is one of the reasons why he is going.

I would have kept him.

It is the ultimate mockery to be in the bill of a central Federal bank, something he despised.

I am just relieved they didn't boot Hamilton off. Before the Broadway show came out, few have heard of his accomplishments and realised it was Hamilton who made them possible.

[Wallenburg]

Yes, so heroic, waging war against their own country to defend the institution of slavery.

Honestly the whole slavery card and waging war against their whole country thing is getting old , when the United States rebelled against the British empire they were committing high treason and even after the revolution the United States decided to keep slavery , whereas European nations at the time were or had begun the process of ending slavery.

I'm not sure how it is a "slavery card" when slavery is exactly why the Confederates rebelled. I'm just pointing out facts here.

Yes, so heroic, waging war against their own country to defend the institution of slavery.

they fought to defend their home lands from the invading Northerners

the majority of them did not own slaves, they fought the war to protect their homes, not to protect slavery

Yes, those poor Southerners being invaded by relentless, aggressive Northerners!

Please do not pretend to know about US history where you do not.

[Neutraligon]

I would have kept him.

It is the ultimate mockery to be in the bill of a central Federal bank, something he despised.

I am just relieved they didn't boot Hamilton off. Before the Broadway show came out, few have heard of his accomplishments and realised it was Hamilton who made them possible.

I must say it was rather awesome the way that play made people aware of his importance. He was all to ignored as a founding father. He really was rather forward thinking, aware that the US was not going to end up being an agrarian society. It would have been a real almost criminal to remove Hamilton.

[Kanadorika]

I am just relieved they didn't boot Hamilton off. Before the Broadway show came out, few have heard of his accomplishments and realised it was Hamilton who made them possible.

I must say it was rather awesome the way that play made people aware of his importance. He was all to ignored as a founding father. He really was rather forward thinking, aware that the US was not going to end up being an agrarian society.

Now only if they could make one about Marquis de Lafayette. Then.... I shall be satisfied.

[The Batorys]

Honestly the whole slavery card and waging war against their whole country thing is getting old , when the United States rebelled against the British empire they were committing high treason and even after the revolution the United States decided to keep slavery , whereas European nations at the time were or had begun the process of ending slavery.

Except that the Colonies did not rebel for the sake of preserving slavery. While the actual politics were more complicated, they rebelled on the basis that they were being denied full representation in the British government and recourse for grievances against the same.

The South had full representation in the US government, and in fact had disproportionate influence for much of the countries early history, which they were only too happy to wield to full effect. See the ever popular Fugitive Slave Act, which not only forced free states to protect slavery, but also effectively legalized the kidnapping of free northern blacks for transporting to slavery in the South.

And then they lost an election and didn't even attempt to make use of their complete access to the courts and the legislature and other means of addressing their grievances, they immediately just went "We can't have our way without question? Fine, rebellion!"

And the to add insult to injury, they and their descendants have spent the last century and a half having the gall to claim they were fighting for "freedom" and "states rights".

The problem is not with tearing down Confederate monuments, it's that they were ever allowed to be raised in the first place.

Precisely.

[The Batorys]

In my view attacking Fort Sumter is not an act of war (since its on Southern soil). However, the North was the first to cross the line and actually invade. So I would say they started the war.

THe soil may have been in the south but the fort was owned by the US government. The south had no more right to it then I have to invade your property and take it from you.

Indeed. It was United States property. Not the property of South Carolina.

[Wallenburg]

Bullshit they fought to protect their homeland. They started the war, and complained when the North retaliated and crushed them in response to their aggression. What did they think was going to happen? If anything, the Union was protecting itself from a hostile South, who made a long history of never being appeased and making constant demands upon the North.

In my view attacking Fort Sumter is not an act of war (since its on Southern soil). However, the North was the first to cross the line and actually invade. So I would say they started the war.

Fort Sumter was on federal land and was federal property. The men within Fort Sumter were federal troops and the weapons they held were federal property. What the actual fuck are you talking about?

[Luminesa]

I must say it was rather awesome the way that play made people aware of his importance. He was all to ignored as a founding father. He really was rather forward thinking, aware that the US was not going to end up being an agrarian society.

Now only if they could make one about Marquis de Lafayette. Then.... I shall be satisfied.

I thought we had some. If not, YES. I WANT A STATUE OF THE MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE AND I WANT ONE NOW. XD

[Neutraligon]

Now only if they could make one about Marquis de Lafayette. Then.... I shall be satisfied.

I thought we had some. If not, YES. I WANT A STATUE OF THE MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE AND I WANT ONE NOW. XD

I think they where saying they wanted a play about the Marquis.

[Luminesa]

I would have kept him.

It is the ultimate mockery to be in the bill of a central Federal bank, something he despised.

Oh I found that hilarious. Let's honor someone who hates the notion of a national bank by putting him on the currency controlled and coined by that bank.

*Somewhere Andrew Jackson's parrot's ghost curses more.*
*Thomas Jefferson tries to get him to stop.*
*Jackson is laughing his butt off.*
*Washington: THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.*

[Kanadorika]

Now only if they could make one about Marquis de Lafayette. Then.... I shall be satisfied.

I thought we had some. If not, YES. I WANT A STATUE OF THE MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE AND I WANT ONE NOW. XD

No no, a Broadway show like the one made about Hamilton. Jesus just about every state has a placed named after Lafayette.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I am just relieved they didn't boot Hamilton off. Before the Broadway show came out, few have heard of his accomplishments and realised it was Hamilton who made them possible.

I must say it was rather awesome the way that play made people aware of his importance. He was all to ignored as a founding father. He really was rather forward thinking, aware that the US was not going to end up being an agrarian society. It would have been a real almost criminal to remove Hamilton.

Well anyone who was aware of developments in the Old World in regards of technology during the 18th and 19th centuries was aware that the US could not have ended up being an agrarian society.

Hamilton called it way before the time of the industrial revolution, although the development of the commercial steam engine by Richard Trevithick in 1797-1799 was technically the end of the agrarian period and the start of the industrial revolution, I would say, so Hamilton was years ahead of his time, perhaps, in predicting the utilization and success of the steam engine and the end of the old agrarian methods.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Bullshit they fought to protect their homeland. They started the war, and complained when the North retaliated and crushed them in response to their aggression. What did they think was going to happen? If anything, the Union was protecting itself from a hostile South, who made a long history of never being appeased and making constant demands upon the North.

In my view attacking Fort Sumter is not an act of war (since its on Southern soil). However, the North was the first to cross the line and actually invade. So I would say they started the war.

The act of firing upon Fort Sumter, which was federal property, started the war and it was the duty of the United States (the North) to put down the treasonous rebellion.

[Neutraligon]

I thought we had some. If not, YES. I WANT A STATUE OF THE MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE AND I WANT ONE NOW. XD

No no, a Broadway show like the one made about Hamilton. Jesus just about every state has a placed named after Lafayette.

Even nonstates (DC) has a place or 2 (more) named after him.

[Australian rePublic]

Stalin would be better for that example honestly.

Most of those really are either in museums or str8 up dismantled.

Read what I wrote about the Moscow metro

[Neutraligon]

I must say it was rather awesome the way that play made people aware of his importance. He was all to ignored as a founding father. He really was rather forward thinking, aware that the US was not going to end up being an agrarian society. It would have been a real almost criminal to remove Hamilton.

Well anyone who was aware of developments in the Old World in regards of technology during the 18th and 19th centuries was aware that the US could not have ended up being an agrarian society.

Hamilton called it way before the time of the industrial revolution, although the development of the commercial steam engine by Richard Trevithick in 1797-1799 was technically the end of the agrarian period and the start of the industrial revolution, I would say, so Hamilton was years ahead of his time, perhaps, in predicting the utilization of the steam engine and the end of the old agrarian methods.

Exactly what I was saying. Some of the other founders where not nearly as far forward looking as Hamilton, and wanted an agrarian society.

[Luminesa]

No no, a Broadway show like the one made about Hamilton. Jesus just about every state has a placed named after Lafayette.

Even nonstates (DC) has a place or 2 (more) named after him.

That's what I originally thought. Lol.

Broadway show would be fantastic.

[Luminesa]

I thought we had some. If not, YES. I WANT A STATUE OF THE MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE AND I WANT ONE NOW. XD

I think they where saying they wanted a play about the Marquis.

Ohhhh. Oops. My bad! XD

[Wallenburg]

Most of those really are either in museums or str8 up dismantled.

Read what I wrote about the Moscow metro

I'm not sure why you think that your post about that is some sort of argument to end all arguments. That some subway on the other side of the world has communist posters in it does not make it bad to remove monuments that celebrate treason.

[Neutraligon]

Even nonstates (DC) has a place or 2 (more) named after him.

That's what I originally thought. Lol.

Broadway show would be fantastic.

I know this is not the thread for it, but they really do us a disservice in the way they teach about US history in high school. I was out of high school before I really started learning more then the shiny version of what happened in the civil and revolutionary war. History is so much more interesting then the way it is portrayed in high school history classes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's what I originally thought. Lol.

Broadway show would be fantastic.

I know this is not the thread for it, but they really do us a disservice in the way they teach about US history in high school. I was out of high school before I really started learning more then the shiny version of what happened in the civil and revolutionary war. History is so much more interesting then the way it is portrayed in high school history classes.

If you like history at the college level, I'd suggest finding good historical fiction novels that stick to original sources, and also micro-history books on a particular subject you might be interested in.

They're oddly satisfying to get to know things about history and culture of the period when they're well done.