Miami's tent city for sex offenders

[Allanea]

I wouldn't call 28 two teenagers having sex. Try not lying about my statements.

I wouldn't call '28' the same as 'in his forties', nor '16' - 'mid-teens or early teens'.

Um, if 'teens' is defined as 13 to 19, I would certainly call 16 'mid-teens'...

Who the hell defines 'teens' in that manner?

[The Macabees]

We should get together and sexually offend the sex offenders. That'll teach them a lesson!

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Why should child-molesters get a break?

Because they served their sentences.

[Liliya]

Why should child-molesters get a break?

What 'break' are you on about?

The "We don't like being treated like this. We deserve to be treated like everyone else." arguement. That is what it sounded like when I read the story.

They do deserve to be treated like everyone else. They served their time, and have been released.

[Blouman Empire]

Um, if 'teens' is defined as 13 to 19, I would certainly call 16 'mid-teens'...

Who the hell defines 'teens' in that manner?

It is the proper definition of a teenager.

[Jocabia]

Why don't they just leave Miami? Seriously, just start walking.

First, they aren't allowed to be within range of certain types of facilities. It's not as simply as "just start walking".

In addition, they have to get permission to move or go anywhere, really. They are extremely restricted movement and that movement is being further restricted all the time.

[Hamilay]

Who the hell defines 'teens' in that manner?

The dictionary?

[Derscon]

Are you suggesting children are property? And what's wrong with teenagers having sex, again?

Who said anything about property? I was commenting on 'getting things that you could otherwise get,' and sex with children is one of those things. Particularly one of those things you'd be interested in getting, if you had a criminal history of doing so.

Unless you buy into the ludicrous notion that prison "rehabilitates" convicts. Puhleese.

And they can always move elsewhere. Miami, as it turns out, isn't the end-all be-all of the universe or even just the US.

Except Allanea's post obviously was referring to getting property, not child-slaves. lern2context

[Allanea]

It is the proper definition of a teenager.

Last I heard, adolescence begins at age 12.

[Derscon]

It is the proper definition of a teenager.

Last I heard, adolescence begins at age 12.

Yes, but "Twelve" doesn't have the "-teen" suffix.

[Muravyets]

Then fine, if, however, they rape small children. They can all die and go to hell.

Like most people who cop this kind of "they're monsters, they deserve to suffer" attitude, you are not thinking this through.

1) They were tried, convicted and sentenced. They served their sentences. They were released by the state because, according to the state and the law, they owed nothing more to the state. There is no legitimate grounds for continuing to punish them beyond the end of their sentences by refusing to allow them to live anywhere, to get jobs, to get work, etc. That is an abuse of power. It is an application of mob rule, not justice. If you want their punishment to continue, you should be advocating for longer sentences, not changing prosecution into persecution. People who argue as you do don't get to claim the high moral ground just because the people they are abusing are criminals. Whatever their bad character might be, it does not cancel out the unethical and immoral nature of what is being done to these ex-cons.

2) Let's leave aside for the moment the fact that, as has been pointed out several times, not everyone labeled a "sex offender" is a child molester or rapist, nor will every one of them be a repeat offender. Still, it is true that serial rapists and actual child molesters are more likely to reoffend than many other kinds of criminals. ESPECIALLY, if they are subjected to high stress levels and are cut off from support and monitoring services.

So what have these moralistic assholes in the OP story accomplished with their short-sighted cruelty? By making these ex-cons homeless, isolating them in this limited environment, interfering with their ability to earn jobs and afford medical and psychiatric care, they are (A) subjecting them to extreme stress, (B) increasing their exposure to contagious diseases and limiting their ability to stay healthy, and (C) encouraging them to escape by dropping off the official radar to get out of that place. And all of that adds up to:

Likely repeat offenders who are highly motivated to offend again, more motivated to escalate their crimes out of desperation, more likely to not only more seriously injure their victims but also to spread disease to everyone they attack, and highly motivated to avoid detection and capture in the future and be harder to track.

Yeah, good going there, oh, Captains of Morality. You managed to create worse and more dangerous monsters than we had before, but at least you all got the personal high of acting like shits about it.

[Blouman Empire]

It is the proper definition of a teenager.

Last I heard, adolescence begins at age 12.

Adolesence =/= teenager

Adolesence can start before 12 in some people or after 12 and can continue in to their early 20's

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Why don't they just leave Miami? Seriously, just start walking.

It's not that easy. They are required to have a home and a permanent address waiting for them wherever they decide to move before they are allowed to leave. The law requires sex offenders to always be reachable.

That isn't exactly an easy thing to arrange from a tent under a bridge.

[SaintB]

Then fine, if, however, they rape small children. They can all die and go to hell.

Like most people who cop this kind of "they're monsters, they deserve to suffer" attitude, you are not thinking this through.

1) They were tried, convicted and sentenced. They served their sentences. They were released by the state because, according to the state and the law, they owed nothing more to the state. There is no legitimate grounds for continuing to punish them beyond the end of their sentences by refusing to allow them to live anywhere, to get jobs, to get work, etc. That is an abuse of power. It is an application of mob rule, not justice. If you want their punishment to continue, you should be advocating for longer sentences, not changing prosecution into persecution. People who argue as you do don't get to claim the high moral ground just because the people they are abusing are criminals. Whatever their bad character might be, it does not cancel out the unethical and immoral nature of what is being done to these ex-cons.

2) Let's leave aside for the moment the fact that, as has been pointed out several times, not everyone labeled a "sex offender" is a child molester or rapist, nor will every one of them be a repeat offender. Still, it is true that serial rapists and actual child molesters are more likely to reoffend than many other kinds of criminals. ESPECIALLY, if they are subjected to high stress levels and are cut off from support and monitoring services.

So what have these moralistic assholes in the OP story accomplished with their short-sighted cruelty? By making these ex-cons homeless, isolating them in this limited environment, interfering with their ability to earn jobs and afford medical and psychiatric care, they are (A) subjecting them to extreme stress, (B) increasing their exposure to contagious diseases and limiting their ability to stay healthy, and (C) encouraging them to escape by dropping off the official radar to get out of that place. And all of that adds up to:

Likely repeat offenders who are highly motivated to offend again, more motivated to escalate their crimes out of desperation, more likely to not only more seriously injure their victims but also to spread disease to everyone they attack, and highly motivated to avoid detection and capture in the future and be harder to track.

Yeah, good going there, oh, Captains of Morality. You managed to create worse and more dangerous monsters than we had before, but at least you all got the personal high of acting like shits about it.

But Murv, thats what the whole moral highground stand point is about! How dare you offend people's right to rale about how bad the monsters they created are!

[The Romulan Republic]

Who the hell defines 'teens' in that manner?

People who don't alter factual definitions for the sake of justifying sexual perversions?

Note: I recognize that there is a grey area with teen sex, in terms of people in their late teens and sex between two teenagers who are close together in age. However, I can think of a whole host of arguments against teen sex in general, and especially against adults taking advantage of younger and less capable/experienced/mature people for sex. Nor do I think that it is normal or healthy for an adult to be attracted to someone in their mid-teens. And I especially don't appreciate tinkering with factual definitions to make them suit your agenda.

[Yootopia]

Um, if 'teens' is defined as 13 to 19, I would certainly call 16 'mid-teens'...

Who the hell defines 'teens' in that manner?

Anyone not in the porn industry.

[SaintB]

It is the proper definition of a teenager.

Last I heard, adolescence begins at age 12.

Adolesence =/= teenager

Adolesence can start before 12 in some people or after 12 and can continue in to their early 20's

And has been known in a few rare cases to continue well into people's 40's.

[Muravyets]

But Murv, thats what the whole moral highground stand point is about! How dare you offend people's right to rale about how bad the monsters they created are!

Heh, I think you mean "brag" instead of "rale" (or however that's supposed to be spelled).

It cannot be denied that the high ground would not exist if there were no low ground. So, I suppose those who want to claim the moral high ground have to make sure that someone occupies the immoral low ground -- even if they have to force them into it. And the worse the immorality, the better, for contrast.

Gods, I detest these moralistic types.

[Phenia]

Are you suggesting children are property? And what's wrong with teenagers having sex, again?

Who said anything about property? I was commenting on 'getting things that you could otherwise get,' and sex with children is one of those things. Particularly one of those things you'd be interested in getting, if you had a criminal history of doing so.

Unless you buy into the ludicrous notion that prison "rehabilitates" convicts. Puhleese.

And they can always move elsewhere. Miami, as it turns out, isn't the end-all be-all of the universe or even just the US.

Except Allanea's post obviously was referring to getting property, not child-slaves. lern2context

He didn't mention property at all, but simply "getting things." Llllllike, sex with minors, I said. What then?

(No answer yet though. Huhm.)

Calling "sex with minors" a "thing" you can "get" is not at all talking about child-slaves. Lern2context yourself, guy.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Last I heard, adolescence begins at age 12.

Adolesence =/= teenager

Adolesence can start before 12 in some people or after 12 and can continue in to their early 20's

And has been known in a few rare cases to continue well into people's 40's.

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[SaintB]

Um, if 'teens' is defined as 13 to 19, I would certainly call 16 'mid-teens'...

Who the hell defines 'teens' in that manner?

Anyone not in the porn industry.

Which routinely tries to pass off grandmother's as barely legals and barely legal women as mature...

[SaintB]

[quote="Blouman EmpireAdolesence =/= teenager

Adolesence can start before 12 in some people or after 12 and can continue in to their early 20's

And has been known in a few rare cases to continue well into people's 40's.

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LG, your more mature than half the US Senate.

[Blouman Empire]

And has been known in a few rare cases to continue well into people's 40's.

Well that's my excuse for my behaviour at times.

[Poliwanacraca]

Why should child-molesters get a break?

Because, even if you want to wish the worst possible conditions on them, it's utterly stupid to deliberately render people we are trying to keep from reoffending homeless. We WANT their parole officers to be able to check in with them regularly. We WANT the cops to have some idea where to find them. We WANT them to have jobs and families and ties to the community that they'd rather not endanger by doing something criminal. All of those things lessen the likelihood of them raping another kid. So, yeah, if your motivation is purely vengeance, laws that force them into homelessness make sense, I guess, but for those of us who would rather see fewer children get raped, the law is counterproductive and stupid.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

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LG, your more mature than half the US Senate.

Lies!

*dives in mud*