NATION

PASSWORD

Venezuela 2017

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

So what should those in charge in Ven. do

Do nothing and go bust
51
22%
Austerity plan no matter the public backlash
57
24%
Break-up Ven. into 3 or 4 nations
57
24%
Not Sure
68
29%
 
Total votes : 233

User avatar
Tectonix
Minister
 
Posts: 2587
Founded: Apr 30, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Tectonix » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:06 am

Phoenicaea wrote:A suggestion for the debate, if I m allowed to be considered about. What describes these situation is corruption, perhaps in definition we should to indroduce this category. What characterizes that state more and before than socialism and authoritarian steers, it is widespread and desperate corruption.

Even if we are aknowledged this sort of words, as corruption, are difficoult to apply, because they have philosophical meaning and debate about, we should take an emphirical and not-moral definition of corruption and apllying it. Since it is the real pratical thing which influences some states, as significavely as the ownership of property or the amount of state-employeed.

You define it as socialist state, dictatorship state, more or less communist or authoritian, without the corruption quality, if you know something about Venezuela, I guess, you are not staring the real life political context.

A dictatorship state without corruption is, historically, laughable. It's always been part of the package — of course we would factor that into our analysis. Sure, you can describe this situation as pure corruption. However, it leaves out a ton of other, non-corruption based issues. For example, el Constituyente (or National Constituent Assembly), is a product of one-party authoritarianism pushed by the Maduro regime. Another example would be delayed gubernatorial elections, again a product of one-party authoritarianism. Corruption played no part in doing this — it is certainly a major key to this, but is not the sole overriding factor that you are making it out to be.
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
Senator Giovanni Galatis of the DP
Member of the Democratic Party of Galatea - For the many, not the few

User avatar
G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 63982
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:09 am

Fuck me, Maduro is really grasping at straws. Apparently his government is now starting "Plan Rabbit", giving rabbits to communities to breed as meat livestock.

The trouble is apparently communities are using them as pets, and in some cases the state failed to send breeding pairs.
Quite the unofficial fellow. Former P2TM Mentor specializing in faction and nation RPs, as well as RPGs. Always happy to help.

User avatar
Phoenicaea
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1968
Founded: May 24, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Phoenicaea » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:03 am

the form of government is then a comprehensive thing, of course yes we should consider both the things.
I agree I guess, as a clarifying, it is a matter of mesure here: I agree tyrannies to be forcely somewhat corrupted, not the same indeed. This in Venezuela is an hedge case; something like doomely corrupted where you can t find a lone legal thing, which is rare.

Then the second matter is about genesis of this, this Country was mostly corrupted before the seizing of properties and tyrannical steer, eccetera eccetera
Last edited by Phoenicaea on Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:07 am, edited 3 times in total.

User avatar
Kubra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17203
Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Father Knows Best State

Postby Kubra » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:19 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Fuck me, Maduro is really grasping at straws. Apparently his government is now starting "Plan Rabbit", giving rabbits to communities to breed as meat livestock.

The trouble is apparently communities are using them as pets, and in some cases the state failed to send breeding pairs.
Ever since the potato saved the french from starvation everyone's been looking for a new agricultural "one weird trick". Ain't nobody dethroned the potato.
Last edited by Kubra on Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:20 pm, edited 2 times in total.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

User avatar
Costa Fierro
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19902
Founded: Dec 09, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:10 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Fuck me, Maduro is really grasping at straws. Apparently his government is now starting "Plan Rabbit", giving rabbits to communities to breed as meat livestock.

The trouble is apparently communities are using them as pets, and in some cases the state failed to send breeding pairs.


North Korea tried this with giant rabbits. It went as about as successful as you could imagine.
"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

User avatar
Aboim
Envoy
 
Posts: 251
Founded: Nov 06, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Aboim » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:58 am

Closing the year:

Venezuela forced Brazilian and Canadian top diplomats out. In response, Ottawa and Brasília did the same.

Now, Maduro is accusing Portugal of sabotaging the Christmas.

https://panampost.com/karina-martin/201 ... venezuela/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42469225

https://www.dn.pt/mundo/interior/portug ... 11904.html

That's the news :)

User avatar
Arlye Austros
Minister
 
Posts: 2824
Founded: Feb 12, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Arlye Austros » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:25 pm

Its funny how the Christmas Meal issue (related to Portugal) seems to be the main driving force now. Soft protests have been taking place through the country and the pilot who hijacked a helicopter and opened fire on Gvmnt buildings last year has been around, saying his usual lines.
Arlye Austros, the New South. In the Nibaru Expense. -Future Tech-
Patagonia and its regional neighbours are dominated by the Frankish Kingdom of Argentina and use Modern tech for their affairs. -Modern/Post Modern Tech-

Chilean-Argentine, Pro Union of the Americas (all three). Anti Chavism, anti other stuff. Conservative, but not in extremis (hope so).
Pro Stark, Impeach Tommen

Previous

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Alvecia, Google [Bot], Shamhnan Insir, The Grene Knyght, Tungstan

Advertisement

Remove ads