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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:58 pm

Monarey wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Except transgender people actually exist. The rest is likely a result of mental illness or simple attention-seeking nonsense.

All three are due to mental aberration or for attention.

I promise you that gender dysphoria isn't a mental aberration, or attention seeking. Trust me, I would know. I'm trans, myself.
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Weskinat
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Postby Weskinat » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:58 pm

I think that there's a certain point where we gotta stock accepting things like this and feel legitimately concerned and give mental help. This is not okay.

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Postby Flowrisa » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:59 pm

Whatever makes that person sleep at night.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:59 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Monarey wrote:All three are due to mental aberration or for attention.

I promise you that gender dysphoria isn't a mental aberration, or attention seeking. Trust me, I would know. I'm trans, myself.

To be fair to Mon-chan, I wouldn't take the word of a Communist on Communism or a Fascist on Fascism.
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Postby Monarey » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:00 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Monarey wrote:All three are due to mental aberration or for attention.

I promise you that gender dysphoria isn't a mental aberration, or attention seeking. Trust me, I would know. I'm trans, myself.

"Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder"
I'm quite certain it's a mental aberration.
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Danceria
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Postby Danceria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:03 pm

Weskinat wrote:I think that there's a certain point where we gotta stock accepting things like this and feel legitimately concerned and give mental help. This is not okay.

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The 502nd Ghost Division
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Postby The 502nd Ghost Division » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:08 pm

If anyone recognizes this real then I'm transfinancial( I'm a rich man trapped in a poor man's body). If you don't give me money, you are transphobic.
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Postby Danceria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:13 pm

The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:If anyone recognizes this real then I'm transfinancial( I'm a rich man trapped in a poor man's body). If you don't give me money, you are transphobic.

Ayy lmao this here is a man with a plan...
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:20 pm

Lincolnopolis wrote:Forget being transgender like Caitlyn Jenner or transracial like Rachel Dolezal, there’s a new “trans” frontier: people who are transage.
In an interview with the gay news site The Daily Xtra, Stefonknee (formerly Paul) Wolscht details his struggles with being a male-to-female transgender person.
The Daily Xtra video, however, glosses over a tiny bit of important information about Wolscht: he thinks he is actually a six year-old girl—not just a woman, but a six year-old girl—stuck in the body of a 50-something man.

( Got this from http://www.mrctv.org/blog/. Check it out !)

My Comments: Apparently, besides being transgendered he is also transaged. Now I know there a lot of people that would be against this, but what if she is ? Do you think it is psychological or do you think it is organic ? What if there are other people that are "transaged" too ? Would you take it seriously, yes or no ? I await your response, NSers !! Tell me what you think !!


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Conserative Morality wrote:M/F/N pick one

M/F, why arbitrarily allow N but not X?


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Imperializt Russia wrote:You do realise no-one takes "transracialism" seriously either and Rachel Doziel[sic] is roundly criticised for being a borderline horrible person?
Transageism is probably the same thing. Otherkin isn't real either.

Transgender and the non-binary spectrum are very real and make plenty of sense if you stop to think about either for five seconds.


What's otherkin?
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Postby Vitainia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:21 pm

Shofercia wrote:What's otherkin?

Otherkins are people who identify as nonhumans (dragons, unicorns, wolves, foxes, etc.)
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Postby Ararat Mountain » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:22 pm

No, and it's sad we have to have this conversation as if it's an even slightly reasonable belief.
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The 502nd Ghost Division
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Postby The 502nd Ghost Division » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:23 pm

Danceria wrote:
The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:If anyone recognizes this real then I'm transfinancial( I'm a rich man trapped in a poor man's body). If you don't give me money, you are transphobic.

Ayy lmao this here is a man with a plan...

A guy actually set up a gofundme saying that he was transfinancial
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Postby Danceria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:32 pm

The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:
Danceria wrote:Ayy lmao this here is a man with a plan...

A guy actually set up a gofundme saying that he was transfinancial

I'd actually do that, but then I see your sig...

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“Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.” - Mark Twain

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Postby Shofercia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:35 pm

Vitainia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:What's otherkin?

Otherkins are people who identify as nonhumans (dragons, unicorns, wolves, foxes, etc.)


I see, thank you.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:35 pm

If only people were as inflexible on questions of gender as they are on age. The world would be right again if there were no sex changes that made the perversion of "men can be women" and "women can be men" acceptable.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:37 pm

Saiwania wrote:If only people were as inflexible on questions of gender as they are on age. The world would be right again if there were no sex changes that made the perversion of "men can be women" and "women can be men" acceptable.

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:38 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:I don't have strong feelings here so I'm neutral on this matter. Keeping that in mind, I wonder why people think this.

Gender is a social construct right? Race is a social construct right? Why is transgenderism fine but transracialism not okay?

There's documented biological and psychological causes for gender dysphoria. Racial dysphoria doesn't exist.

Does someone have to have that to be considered transgender? Can someone who doesn't feel a psychological revulsion to their sex but would still prefer the other sex be called transgender? Are their views any less genuine than the views of those who have psychological issues with their gender?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:39 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:There's documented biological and psychological causes for gender dysphoria. Racial dysphoria doesn't exist.

Does someone have to have that to be considered transgender? Can someone who doesn't feel a psychological revulsion to their sex but would still prefer the other sex be called transgender? Are their views any less genuine than the views of those who have psychological issues with their gender?

I think there's just different degrees to it
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Postby Danceria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:40 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:There's documented biological and psychological causes for gender dysphoria. Racial dysphoria doesn't exist.

Does someone have to have that to be considered transgender? Can someone who doesn't feel a psychological revulsion to their sex but would still prefer the other sex be called transgender? Are their views any less genuine than the views of those who have psychological issues with their gender?

...Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but isn't the psychological revulsion/issue with their gender the definition of Gender Dysphoria?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:07 pm

Danceria wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Does someone have to have that to be considered transgender? Can someone who doesn't feel a psychological revulsion to their sex but would still prefer the other sex be called transgender? Are their views any less genuine than the views of those who have psychological issues with their gender?

...Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but isn't the psychological revulsion/issue with their gender the definition of Gender Dysphoria?

For the most part. Like Alex said, there's varying degrees. Some people aren't as wholly uncomfortable with their bodies as others.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:08 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Danceria wrote:...Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but isn't the psychological revulsion/issue with their gender the definition of Gender Dysphoria?

For the most part. Like Alex said, there's varying degrees. Some people aren't as wholly uncomfortable with their bodies as others.

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Postby Danceria » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:11 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Danceria wrote:...Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but isn't the psychological revulsion/issue with their gender the definition of Gender Dysphoria?

For the most part. Like Alex said, there's varying degrees. Some people aren't as wholly uncomfortable with their bodies as others.

I understand that, not everyone with ADD is a hyperactive nutcase (speaking from personal experience), but a psychological issue is a psychological issue.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:16 pm

Transaged is not real. Period.

Transgender is a dysphoria. Period.

However, that doesnt mean that one must dismiss, out of hand, the appeals to emotion in either case. Nor does that mean that one must accept them.

A line must be drawn, however. I consider transageism to be the logical extension of pedophelia (and the related behaviors). Your rights stop where someone elses rights begin. I do not accept transageism
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:42 pm

We've just opened up a new can of worms here...
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:54 pm

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