[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Souseiseki]

Going back further, of course, there's when you defended Sous dragging up personal information without my permission as a political beating stick, and then tutted at length about the appropriateness of the tone of my response.

so long as politics continues to have a strong effect on people's personal lives and people's personal lives continue to drive their political interests the two cannot reasonably be considered separate. this is amplified in cases where the politics resolves around people's status or very existence and there is a clear link between the politics in question and that status.

nobody asks the black confederate or the working class tories on NSG for their permission. the problem is so obvious and contradiction so pertinent that the idea seems absurd.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Going back further, of course, there's when you defended Sous dragging up personal information without my permission as a political beating stick, and then tutted at length about the appropriateness of the tone of my response.

so long as politics continues to have a strong effect on people's personal lives and people's personal lives continue to drive their political interests the two cannot reasonably be considered separate. this is amplified in cases where the politics resolves around people's status or very existence and there is a clear link between the politics in question and that status.

nobody asks the black confederate or the working class tories on NSG for their permission. the problem is so obvious and contradiction so pertinent that the idea seems absurd.

Leaving the fucking EU is not going to lead to the bloody eradication or sodding persecution of our mutual identity category. This excuse is laughable. Enough with the bullshit.

You know full well that some aspects of identity are more sensitive than others. Your tactics are disgraceful and the fact that you even countenance such emotionally abusive methods shows that your perverse desire to feel big for a moment by getting one over on "the enemy" is out of control.

You compensate for your own insecurities through deliberate and conscious abuse of others, and your pretence to cover it with a veneer of "ends justifying the means" is pathetically see-through, like a schoolyard bully hiding in a nun's habit. You're rotten to the core, if there's even anything there at all other than spite and viciousness. You disgust me.

[The Sauganash Union]

Can I build an industrial shipbuilding empire in Belfast and enforce my corporate rule with a brutal police force, or has that time in British politics ended?

[Shrilland]

I guess I'll be voting Lib Dem. Don't really want to but it's either them or the Tories that can even win here and I really want May gone. The woman just annoys me and looks bizarre. Her arms are too long. Plus, Tories are all but Labour status right now with how fractured they are. They can't even count on DUP votes for crying out loud! Hoping Lib Dems and Nationalists somehow manage to form a coalition. Highly unlikely but it would be a laugh and probably better than having Tory rule for another 5 years. I am all for reforming the EU right now or leaving altogether to teach the EU that it CANNOT continue to bully members into accepting an economic argument that was debunked by a simple spreadsheet error and you cannot force them to accept millions of ECONOMIC MIGRANTS just for shits and giggles. All in all, this elections has no good outcome unless Nationalists get a coalition for federalism put together

[USS Monitor]

so long as politics continues to have a strong effect on people's personal lives and people's personal lives continue to drive their political interests the two cannot reasonably be considered separate. this is amplified in cases where the politics resolves around people's status or very existence and there is a clear link between the politics in question and that status.

nobody asks the black confederate or the working class tories on NSG for their permission. the problem is so obvious and contradiction so pertinent that the idea seems absurd.

Leaving the fucking EU is not going to lead to the bloody eradication or sodding persecution of our mutual identity category. This excuse is laughable. Enough with the bullshit.

You know full well that some aspects of identity are more sensitive than others. Your tactics are disgraceful and the fact that you even countenance such emotionally abusive methods shows that your perverse desire to feel big for a moment by getting one over on "the enemy" is out of control.

You compensate for your own insecurities through deliberate and conscious abuse of others, and your pretence to cover it with a veneer of "ends justifying the means" is pathetically see-through, like a schoolyard bully hiding in a nun's habit. You're rotten to the core, if there's even anything there at all other than spite and viciousness. You disgust me.

*** 1 day ban for flaming ***

[Socialist Nordia]

So I plugged in the numbers from the thread poll and if NS was the UK, these would be the results.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/swingo ... D=18&GRN=6

Hung Parliament: Conservatives short by 39 seats
Conservative: 287
Labour: 237
UKIP: 3
Liberal Democrat: 43
SNP: 55
Green: 2
Plaid Cymru: 4

But this is really only accurate for the parties it lets you plug in.

[Angleter]

B R I N G B A C K Z A C

[Philjia]

B R I N G B A C K Z A C

Oh good, I get to bring out the Zac Goldsmith clip.

[Irona]

B R I N G B A C K Z A C

Actually I think Richmond is a perfect example of how the Tories could lose some seats. Liberal pro-eu seats like that are exactly where the tories are going to lose ground to the lib dems

[Thyerata]

Just in case anyone's interested, the BBC have published their draft guidelines for the election period. While I generally trust the Beeb's impartiality, it's interesting to see the yardstick they set themselves... http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/e ... elines.pdf

[Angleter]

B R I N G B A C K Z A C

Actually I think Richmond is a perfect example of how the Tories could lose some seats. Liberal pro-eu seats like that are exactly where the tories are going to lose ground to the lib dems

There's a few they could lose (Bath, Twickenham, Kingston and Surbiton, Oxford West and Abingdon), but I don't expect anything on the scale of Richmond. Or at least I'd like to think not, since my seat is pretty much identical in terms of Remain vote and Tory lead over the LibDems. When Zac lost, he was a) a Brexiteer, b) running in a by-election that nobody asked for, and c) running without his party. Only a) applies to Zac now, and none of them apply to most Tories in similar seats.

B R I N G B A C K Z A C

Oh good, I get to bring out the Zac Goldsmith clip.

And the greatest song of all time.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Actually I think Richmond is a perfect example of how the Tories could lose some seats. Liberal pro-eu seats like that are exactly where the tories are going to lose ground to the lib dems

There's a few they could lose (Bath, Twickenham, Kingston and Surbiton, Oxford West and Abingdon), but I don't expect anything on the scale of Richmond. Or at least I'd like to think not, since my seat is pretty much identical in terms of Remain vote and Tory lead over the LibDems. When Zac lost, he was a) a Brexiteer, b) running in a by-election that nobody asked for, and c) running without his party. Only a) applies to Zac now, and none of them apply to most Tories in similar seats.

He's fairly high profile though, and not in a good way. Between the by-election and the mayoral race, I wonder if he might have a kind of reverse momentum ("Oh, Zac Goldsmith. That serial loser.") I reckon b) also sort of applies; he's now running as a Tory in an election nobody asked for. His return to the party so soon after the Heathrow thing could be seen as a cynical move as well.

[Napkiraly]

Actually I think when it comes to the burqa ban we should be quite open that it is about banning a piece of clothing promoted by religious extremist sects with a long history of violence: Salafists, Wahhabis, and Deobandis. That is why we see not too many, for the time being that is, since they are still rather small. This will change however if we do not nip them in the bud - it is disconcerting how younger Muslims are becoming more radical than their parents. We are in a conflict with such ideologies and we should no longer treat them with soft gloves. Many Muslims across the world also are against burqas.

We must nip such radical sects in the bud. They have no place in our societies and preferably the entire world.

[Neo Balka]

Actually I think when it comes to the burqa ban we should be quite open that it is about banning a piece of clothing promoted by religious extremist sects with a long history of violence: Salafists, Wahhabis, and Deobandis. That is why we see not too many, for the time being that is, since they are still rather small. This will change however if we do not nip them in the bud - it is disconcerting how younger Muslims are becoming more radical than their parents. We are in a conflict with such ideologies and we should no longer treat them with soft gloves. Many Muslims across the world also are against burqas.

We must nip such radical sects in the bud. They have no place in our societies and preferably the entire world.

But nap! Thats Racist! eh?

[Napkiraly]

Actually I think when it comes to the burqa ban we should be quite open that it is about banning a piece of clothing promoted by religious extremist sects with a long history of violence: Salafists, Wahhabis, and Deobandis. That is why we see not too many, for the time being that is, since they are still rather small. This will change however if we do not nip them in the bud - it is disconcerting how younger Muslims are becoming more radical than their parents. We are in a conflict with such ideologies and we should no longer treat them with soft gloves. Many Muslims across the world also are against burqas.

We must nip such radical sects in the bud. They have no place in our societies and preferably the entire world.

But nap! Thats Racist! eh?

Of course! I mean we shall forget that I oppose it becomes it mainly stems from sects that I view as harmful for Muslims and their well being, but alas that shall not be considered.

[Vassenor]

So how does banning certain forms of dress actually help eliminate those ideologies?

[Salandriagado]

She isn't, though: there are enough hardliners in the Tory party that will vote against anything reasonable that she needs to listen to their shite. Presumably, she's trying to fix that.

What's there to vote on? The Tory hardliners oppose parliament voting on the deal and they have pretty much succeeded removing parliament from the equation. I also find it hard to believe that Labour and the Lib Dems would back Tory hardliners against a moderate settlement.

There will be many, many bills put through parliament dealing with various small and tangentially related aspects of the discussions, that ridiculous enabling act notwithstanding. At present, factions within the Tory party that want to steer negotiations in a particular direction can just stall progress indefinitely by messing with those bills until they get what they want. Getting a bigger majority would let her ignore more of those factions.

[Salandriagado]

Some people, I'm sure, still like Bertie.

Like who?

In other news...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 99776.html

The last time the Tories had a majority of seats in Wales was at the start of Queen Victoria's reign.

Erm, no? It was in the middle of George V's reign.

[Napkiraly]

So how does banning certain forms of dress actually help eliminate those ideologies?

Try actually quoting the person you are addressing.

It is a step in showing how we will not tolerate a symbol of their ideologies, in the same way that Germany banned Nazi symbolism and various Central and Eastern European countries banned communist symbols in their respective denazification and decommunization efforts.

[Thyerata]

To be honest I wish the NS poll was the real life poll - I've just fed the Swingometer the the figures from the most recent YouGov voting intention survey. Labour lose 79 seats to the tories...

http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/swingo ... D=12&GRN=3

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

To be honest I wish the NS poll was the real life poll - I've just fed the Swingometer the the figures from the most recent YouGov voting intention survey. Labour lose 79 seats to the tories...

http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/swingo ... D=12&GRN=3

On the plus side maybe that will convince Labour to change leadership.

[Ifreann]

So how does banning certain forms of dress actually help eliminate those ideologies?

Try actually quoting the person you are addressing.

It is a step in showing how we will not tolerate a symbol of their ideologies, in the same way that Germany banned Nazi symbolism and various Central and Eastern European countries banned communist symbols in their respective denazification and decommunization efforts.

Germany banned military uniforms? This is the first I've heard of it.

[Napkiraly]

Try actually quoting the person you are addressing.

It is a step in showing how we will not tolerate a symbol of their ideologies, in the same way that Germany banned Nazi symbolism and various Central and Eastern European countries banned communist symbols in their respective denazification and decommunization efforts.

Germany banned military uniforms? This is the first I've heard of it.

...

I'm seriously trying to figure out how you went through the mental gymnastics necessary to actually post that.

[Neo Balka]

Germany banned military uniforms? This is the first I've heard of it.

...

I'm seriously trying to figure out how you went through the mental gymnastics necessary to actually post that.

They did ban the nice looking uniforms tho.

[Roosevetania]

It's shameful that May is taking advantage of the disarray Labour's in to seize power. Also, Corbyn is really stupid for supporting this.

But anyway, if I lived in the UK I would be going door-to-door for Labour. I really love Corbyn. A Labour-SNP-Lib Dem coalition would be my dream, but...