[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Fartsniffage]

Why join the government then?

It gives them influence over the Tories (they can just threaten to pull their support if they don't get their way), without making themselves as much of a scapegoat as the Lib Dems did.

To be fair, I doubt anything they got smeared with would touch them in their NI constituencies. I'm pretty sure it's the Torys keeping them at arms length.

[Paquador]

The Tories now need to oversee the forming of a NI government even though they are now in bed with the DUP.

This isnt a coalition, it's not a formal agreement and DUP will have no ministers but as a minority government the Tories will be offering things to DUP in order to gain support on votes (Queens speech, budget etc). This will be favour in the NI negotiations as well as disproportinate funding for NI which the DUP will claim as their own.

Now if May goes and Ruth Davidson of Scottish Tories becomes leader (she is extremely popular and actually led the only success for Tories all night) she's gay and the DUP are extremely backwards in social issues. (They belong in the 1960s)

The PM will now have to negotiate Brexit, negotiate NI, negotiate with DUP. That's a lot to deal with.

What should happen now is that Tory and Labour form a cross party mission on things like Brexit, housing, infrastructure funding etc as the concensus on these issues is there (I know May is hard Brexit but this will force her to become softer and therefore bring in Labour.)

[Calladan]

The Tories now need to oversee the forming of a NI government even though they are now in bed with the DUP.

This isnt a coalition, it's not a formal agreement and DUP will have no ministers but as a minority government the Tories will be offering things to DUP in order to gain support on votes (Queens speech, budget etc). This will be favour in the NI negotiations as well as disproportinate funding for NI which the DUP will claim as their own.

Now if May goes and Ruth Davidson of Scottish Tories becomes leader (she is extremely popular and actually led the only success for Tories all night) she's gay and the DUP are extremely backwards in social issues. (They belong in the 1960s)

The PM will now have to negotiate Brexit, negotiate NI, negotiate with DUP. That's a lot to deal with.

What should happen now is that Tory and Labour form a cross party mission on things like Brexit, housing, infrastructure funding etc as the concensus on these issues is there (I know May is hard Brexit but this will force her to become softer and therefore bring in Labour.)

Actually - here's a thought.

If they sack May for being such a feckless dumb-ass, and replace her with Ruth Davidson, could May still be the one in charge of negotiating Brexit? Does it have to be the Head of Government that does the negotiating, or can he/she send someone in their place?

[Geilinor]

If they sack May for being such a feckless dumb-ass, and replace her with Ruth Davidson, could May still be the one in charge of negotiating Brexit? Does it have to be the Head of Government that does the negotiating, or can he/she send someone in their place?

Yes, that's the Brexit Secretary, currently David Davis.

[Paquador]

If they sack May for being such a feckless dumb-ass, and replace her with Ruth Davidson, could May still be the one in charge of negotiating Brexit? Does it have to be the Head of Government that does the negotiating, or can he/she send someone in their place?

Yes, that's the Brexit Secretary, currently David Davis.

Well no, it's the PM that leads the negotiations and ultimately decides with the help and support of David Davies the Brexit minister. The two of them are in the room together essentially. So it could be the case May is put as Brexit minister in a Davidson cabinet but the PM is ultimately in charge of negotiations.

As the Chinese proverb says: May you live in interesting times.

[Tinhampton]

If it wasn't for the otherwise-flailing BNP (yes, they still exist...), we'd likely be seeing Chris Adams becoming MP for Bishop Auckland. This is despite leader Adam Walker stating that his idea of success was taking one vote from Labour.

[Questers]

Yes, that's the Brexit Secretary, currently David Davis.

Well no, it's the PM that leads the negotiations and ultimately decides with the help and support of David Davies the Brexit minister. The two of them are in the room together essentially. So it could be the case May is put as Brexit minister in a Davidson cabinet but the PM is ultimately in charge of negotiations.

As the Chinese proverb says: May you live in interesting times.

It would be VERY uncharacteristic in modern politics to replace the PM and then put her in a lower position.

[Vassenor]

Scuttlebutt is there may be a schism between the English and Scottish Conservatives coming.

[Fartsniffage]

Scuttlebutt is there may be a schism between the English and Scottish Conservatives coming.

I'm truly shocked. Shocked and astonished. Really. That's what I am.

[Ifreann]

WITCHCRAFT

Seriously, how did you do this.

Okay, of the 650 seats, 102 had their elected MP reach a 45% vote among their entire electorate (including non-voters) and only 27 reached 50% for an absolute possible majority.
Only two of these 27 were Conservative seats.

the magic of programming. pulled all the pages and wrote a short script to go through them and collate the data.

burn(witch);

---

The Tories now need to oversee the forming of a NI government even though they are now in bed with the DUP.

This isnt a coalition, it's not a formal agreement and DUP will have no ministers but as a minority government the Tories will be offering things to DUP in order to gain support on votes (Queens speech, budget etc). This will be favour in the NI negotiations as well as disproportinate funding for NI which the DUP will claim as their own.

Now if May goes and Ruth Davidson of Scottish Tories becomes leader (she is extremely popular and actually led the only success for Tories all night) she's gay and the DUP are extremely backwards in social issues. (They belong in the 1960s)

The PM will now have to negotiate Brexit, negotiate NI, negotiate with DUP. That's a lot to deal with.

What should happen now is that Tory and Labour form a cross party mission on things like Brexit, housing, infrastructure funding etc as the concensus on these issues is there (I know May is hard Brexit but this will force her to become softer and therefore bring in Labour.)

Would the Tories really replace May with a gay Protestant who's engaged to a gay Irish Catholic when they need the DUP to give them confidence and supply?

---

Scuttlebutt is there may be a schism between the English and Scottish Conservatives coming.

Read on Twitter that Ruth Davidson has received assurance from the PM that she can push for LGBTI rights in Norn Iron.

Fucking how? What could the Tories possibly give the DUP to keep them on-side for at least two years while Davidson goes around queering up the North with her evil lesbian powers? Are they going to ban the Irish language? Make it a crime to be Gerry Adams? Invade Donegal?

[Vassenor]

the magic of programming. pulled all the pages and wrote a short script to go through them and collate the data.

burn(witch);

---

The Tories now need to oversee the forming of a NI government even though they are now in bed with the DUP.

This isnt a coalition, it's not a formal agreement and DUP will have no ministers but as a minority government the Tories will be offering things to DUP in order to gain support on votes (Queens speech, budget etc). This will be favour in the NI negotiations as well as disproportinate funding for NI which the DUP will claim as their own.

Now if May goes and Ruth Davidson of Scottish Tories becomes leader (she is extremely popular and actually led the only success for Tories all night) she's gay and the DUP are extremely backwards in social issues. (They belong in the 1960s)

The PM will now have to negotiate Brexit, negotiate NI, negotiate with DUP. That's a lot to deal with.

What should happen now is that Tory and Labour form a cross party mission on things like Brexit, housing, infrastructure funding etc as the concensus on these issues is there (I know May is hard Brexit but this will force her to become softer and therefore bring in Labour.)

Would the Tories really replace May with a gay Protestant who's engaged to a gay Irish Catholic when they need the DUP to give them confidence and supply?

---

Scuttlebutt is there may be a schism between the English and Scottish Conservatives coming.

Read on Twitter that Ruth Davidson has received assurance from the PM that she can push for LGBTI rights in Norn Iron.

Fucking how? What could the Tories possibly give the DUP to keep them on-side for at least two years while Davidson goes around queering up the North with her evil lesbian powers? Are they going to ban the Irish language? Make it a crime to be Gerry Adams? Invade Donegal?

All I'd seen so far was an assurance that the Cons weren't going to start with the slash and burn to appease the DUP.

[Bakery Hill]

Read on Twitter that Ruth Davidson has received assurance from the PM that she can push for LGBTI rights in Norn Iron.

Well there goes the coalition.

[Ifreann]

burn(witch);

---

Would the Tories really replace May with a gay Protestant who's engaged to a gay Irish Catholic when they need the DUP to give them confidence and supply?

---

Read on Twitter that Ruth Davidson has received assurance from the PM that she can push for LGBTI rights in Norn Iron.

Fucking how? What could the Tories possibly give the DUP to keep them on-side for at least two years while Davidson goes around queering up the North with her evil lesbian powers? Are they going to ban the Irish language? Make it a crime to be Gerry Adams? Invade Donegal?

All I'd seen so far was an assurance that the Cons weren't going to start with the slash and burn to appease the DUP.

A lad I know RT'd this. Reads like Nick Eardley heard this from Davidson herself. Of course, even if Davidson said that, and even if May really gave her those assurances, I won't believe it until I see it, and even that I expect I'll be sceptical.

[Bombadil]

Britain really has shot itself in the foot here, putting the champagne or arsenic aside for a moment, depending on how you view the results..

Even if another election were held, it would still be a coalition government since I don't see Labour making up 60 seats regardless - ultimately we're in a weak position in Brexit negotiations whether another election or not.
No election and we have a government that will likely leak seats until its majority is negligible and an election is called anyway
That election will likely result in another hung parliament regardless

Frankly if I was a Conservative I wouldn't want the PM position so May will likely have to drag on..

..it's a complete disaster.

[Fartsniffage]

Britain really has shot itself in the foot here, putting the champagne or arsenic aside for a moment, depending on how you view the results..

Even if another election were held, it would still be a coalition government since I don't see Labour making up 60 seats regardless - ultimately we're in a weak position in Brexit negotiations whether another election or not.
No election and we have a government that will likely leak seats until its majority is negligible and an election is called anyway
That election will likely result in another hung parliament regardless

Frankly if I was a Conservative I wouldn't want the PM position so May will likely have to drag on..

..it's a complete disaster.

I love you.

[Olivaero]

Britain really has shot itself in the foot here, putting the champagne or arsenic aside for a moment, depending on how you view the results..

Even if another election were held, it would still be a coalition government since I don't see Labour making up 60 seats regardless - ultimately we're in a weak position in Brexit negotiations whether another election or not.
No election and we have a government that will likely leak seats until its majority is negligible and an election is called anyway
That election will likely result in another hung parliament regardless

Frankly if I was a Conservative I wouldn't want the PM position so May will likely have to drag on..

..it's a complete disaster.

Damn if May actually tries to limp on the next election will be even worse for the conservatives, Corbyn may actually get a majority.

[Bombadil]

I love you.

Straight back at ya kiddo..

Damn if May actually tries to limp on the next election will be even worse for the conservatives, Corbyn may actually get a majority.

Who knows, what we do know is we go into negotiations in just over a week having shown our cards to be incredibly weak.. and uncertainty as to whether the person who starts the negotiations will be the person to finish them. Ultimately, and more than ever, the terms of Brexit will be dictated to us.. the entire thing is a joke. Twice a leader has gambled the UKs future on a power play that failed and left the UK in a weaker position.

Personally I'd like a leader who stood up and said the future is in the EU and if we're going to be bound by all the rules then we may as well have a place on the table than sat out sulking in the corner.

[Ifreann]

I love you.

Straight back at ya kiddo..

Damn if May actually tries to limp on the next election will be even worse for the conservatives, Corbyn may actually get a majority.

Who knows, what we do know is we go into negotiations in just over a week having shown our cards to be incredibly weak.. and uncertainty as to whether the person who starts the negotiations will be the person to finish them. Ultimately, and more than ever, the terms of Brexit will be dictated to us.. the entire thing is a joke. Twice a leader has gambled the UKs future on a power play that failed and left the UK in a weaker position.

Personally I'd like a leader who stood up and said the future is in the EU and if we're going to be bound by all the rules then we may as well have a place on the table than sat out sulking in the corner.

Tim Farron? I didn't know you posted on NSG.

[Bombadil]

Straight back at ya kiddo..



Who knows, what we do know is we go into negotiations in just over a week having shown our cards to be incredibly weak.. and uncertainty as to whether the person who starts the negotiations will be the person to finish them. Ultimately, and more than ever, the terms of Brexit will be dictated to us.. the entire thing is a joke. Twice a leader has gambled the UKs future on a power play that failed and left the UK in a weaker position.

Personally I'd like a leader who stood up and said the future is in the EU and if we're going to be bound by all the rules then we may as well have a place on the table than sat out sulking in the corner.

Tim Farron? I didn't know you posted on NSG.

What else am I going to do with my time?

[Ifreann]

Tim Farron? I didn't know you posted on NSG.

What else am I going to do with my time?

Console Nick Clegg?

[Olivaero]

I love you.

Straight back at ya kiddo..

Damn if May actually tries to limp on the next election will be even worse for the conservatives, Corbyn may actually get a majority.

Who knows, what we do know is we go into negotiations in just over a week having shown our cards to be incredibly weak.. and uncertainty as to whether the person who starts the negotiations will be the person to finish them. Ultimately, and more than ever, the terms of Brexit will be dictated to us.. the entire thing is a joke. Twice a leader has gambled the UKs future on a power play that failed and left the UK in a weaker position.

Personally I'd like a leader who stood up and said the future is in the EU and if we're going to be bound by all the rules then we may as well have a place on the table than sat out sulking in the corner.

It was always going to be bad, we're stuck between a rock, the democratic mandate that the referendum gives the of brexiteers, and a hard place, the combined economic might of the EU. If Theresa May won every single seat in the HoC she couldn't of got a good deal from the EU it's an impossibility without bending and she'll never bend. Jeremy Corbyn might bend, he could never bend all the way to getting us back in the EU but he could get free movement. Staying in them EU is impossible right now. It just is.

[Proctopeo]

What else am I going to do with my time?

Console Nick Clegg?

I read that as "Nice Egg" at first and was very confused

[Ifreann]

Console Nick Clegg?

I read that as "Nice Egg" at first and was very confused

I'm imagine Nick Egg wouldn't mind a hug and some reassurance that he is a good person.

[Proctopeo]

I read that as "Nice Egg" at first and was very confused

I'm imagine Nick Egg wouldn't mind a hug and some reassurance that he is a good person.

How about I offer him a nice egg in this trying time?

[Bombadil]

I'm imagine Nick Egg wouldn't mind a hug and some reassurance that he is a good person.

How about I offer him a nice egg in this trying time?

..with a personal wealth of some £4M I'm sure he can find his own nice eggs.