[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Olerand]

As a side note, how the hell has May survived? Is a coup still being formulated behind the curtains or what?

Brexit. The PMship was a poisoned chalice from the moment we voted to leave. It's why she got it after Cameron resigned, no one else really wanted it.

It's now doubly bad since this government isn't going to survive long.

I guess. But some of the words that Tories were uttering this morning made it a little hard to go back to business as usual.

[Eol Sha]

Why join the government then?

They're not in the government. That's why there is no coalition. It's a confidence and supply arrangement, which means that they will allow the Conservatives to form a government by not voting against them, or voting for them or whatever, and will vote on bills that they like that the government proposes.

This gets them some of the benefits of being in government, like having their policies proposed by the Conservatives to keep their votes, without having to shoulder the pressure and mistakes of being in government. Or so the thought goes.

I see. These parliamentary systems can be so confusing sometimes.

That line of thinking seems a little naive since the DUP are the only ones propping up May's government. It's not two or three other parties. It's just them.

[Olerand]

They're not in the government. That's why there is no coalition. It's a confidence and supply arrangement, which means that they will allow the Conservatives to form a government by not voting against them, or voting for them or whatever, and will vote on bills that they like that the government proposes.

This gets them some of the benefits of being in government, like having their policies proposed by the Conservatives to keep their votes, without having to shoulder the pressure and mistakes of being in government. Or so the thought goes.

I see. These parliamentary systems can be so confusing sometimes.

That line of thinking seems a little naive since the DUP are the only ones propping up May's government. It's not two or three other parties. It's just them.

It depends, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The Danish People's Party are doing OK with this situation propping up the Venstre government in Denmark, and the Lib-Dems' choice to go into government with the Tories backfired spectacularly on them. It's not a settled matter.

[Souseiseki]

how long is this taking you

Well, it probably took me half an hour or more to do the first 43 constituencies, and that's with saving even more time by having both tabs windowed together.
Not including the time it took me to give up copying out all 650 constituency names by hand and trying to find a spreadsheet to the copy them out of, then realise that doesn't include NI, and then add those back in in the right alphabetical place.

I have since given up.

Turns out - the Tories actually have quite a few "highly democratic" constituencies, but fail to break that 50% boundary, usually between 40-45% of the entire electorate, which is still respectable.
Seat changes and narrow holds usually only have about 20-25% of the electorate voting for the elected MP, with most seats returning somewhere between 30-39%.

yeah, i was gonna tell you just give up. give me an hour or two and i'll have it all for you.

e: well, the raw data at least

[Geilinor]

They're not in the government. That's why there is no coalition. It's a confidence and supply arrangement, which means that they will allow the Conservatives to form a government by not voting against them, or voting for them or whatever, and will vote on bills that they like that the government proposes.

This gets them some of the benefits of being in government, like having their policies proposed by the Conservatives to keep their votes, without having to shoulder the pressure and mistakes of being in government. Or so the thought goes.

I see. These parliamentary systems can be so confusing sometimes.

That line of thinking seems a little naive since the DUP are the only ones propping up May's government. It's not two or three other parties. It's just them.

Yes, but except for budgets and no confidence votes, the DUP can vote however they want. The government could have trouble passing much of anything else.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm almost surprised that the DUP have any demands at all, I thought they were just Nirish Tories.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm almost surprised that the DUP have any demands at all, I thought they were just Nirish Tories.

They are worse.

Far worse.


And hate the fact they have to share the political scene with Irish Nationalists, in fact they hate they have to share Northern Ireland with Irish Nationalists and would love to be able to give no concessions what so ever.

[Gauliscia]

It'll be interesting to see the DUP working with the Tories, many of whom are Catholics

[Eol Sha]

I see. These parliamentary systems can be so confusing sometimes.

That line of thinking seems a little naive since the DUP are the only ones propping up May's government. It's not two or three other parties. It's just them.

It depends, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The Danish People's Party are doing OK with this situation propping up the Venstre government in Denmark, and the Lib-Dems' choice to go into government with the Tories backfired spectacularly on them. It's not a settled matter.

I can believe that. If it were settled then I imagine confidence and supply agreements would have been abandoned long ago.

You mention Denmark. Do you disapprove of their government?

I see. These parliamentary systems can be so confusing sometimes.

That line of thinking seems a little naive since the DUP are the only ones propping up May's government. It's not two or three other parties. It's just them.

Yes, but except for budgets and no confidence votes, the DUP can vote however they want. The government could have trouble passing much of anything else.

What issues would the two parties seemingly stand apart on? National defense? Immigration? Economic regulations?

[Hydesland]

I'm almost surprised that the DUP have any demands at all, I thought they were just Nirish Tories.

They represent hard-line conservative NI protestants.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm almost surprised that the DUP have any demands at all, I thought they were just Nirish Tories.

They are worse.

Far worse.


And hate the fact they have to share the political scene with Irish Nationalists, in fact they hate they have to share Northern Ireland with Irish Nationalists and would love to be able to give no concessions what so ever.

I can't fault them for being pro-British, infact I should think that's standard for a British party (SNP? Never heard of them...). After what I've recently read/heard on the DUP I think their homophobia and general anti-scienceness is more worrying.

[Olerand]

I see. These parliamentary systems can be so confusing sometimes.

That line of thinking seems a little naive since the DUP are the only ones propping up May's government. It's not two or three other parties. It's just them.

Yes, but except for budgets and no confidence votes, the DUP can vote however they want. The government could have trouble passing much of anything else.

But, from what I've read of the DUP so far, though they diverge from the Conservatives on societal issues (which are hardly the Tories' bread and butter), they're perfectly in line with the agenda. So, I don't really foresee a problem.

I'm almost surprised that the DUP have any demands at all, I thought they were just Nirish Tories.

That is the UUP.

It depends, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The Danish People's Party are doing OK with this situation propping up the Venstre government in Denmark, and the Lib-Dems' choice to go into government with the Tories backfired spectacularly on them. It's not a settled matter.

I can believe that. If it were settled then I imagine confidence and supply agreements would have been abandoned long ago.

You mention Denmark. Do you disapprove of their government?

Yes, but except for budgets and no confidence votes, the DUP can vote however they want. The government could have trouble passing much of anything else.

What issues would the two parties seemingly stand apart on? National defense? Immigration? Economic regulations?

They are a right-wing government, so I do disapprove. Though "right-wing" in the Danish sense, so still left-wing enough that I'm not troubled.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm almost surprised that the DUP have any demands at all, I thought they were just Nirish Tories.

They represent hard-line conservative NI protestants.

I suppose this is what a Con-UKIP coalition would look like, if UKIP were talking more about Jesus rather than immigrants.

If I was in Northern Ireland I'd probably vote Alliance.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, it probably took me half an hour or more to do the first 43 constituencies, and that's with saving even more time by having both tabs windowed together.
Not including the time it took me to give up copying out all 650 constituency names by hand and trying to find a spreadsheet to the copy them out of, then realise that doesn't include NI, and then add those back in in the right alphabetical place.

I have since given up.

Turns out - the Tories actually have quite a few "highly democratic" constituencies, but fail to break that 50% boundary, usually between 40-45% of the entire electorate, which is still respectable.
Seat changes and narrow holds usually only have about 20-25% of the electorate voting for the elected MP, with most seats returning somewhere between 30-39%.

yeah, i was gonna tell you just give up. give me an hour or two and i'll have it all for you.

e: well, the raw data at least

If you're feeling up to it lol xD

Here's the Google sheet: all constituency names are pre-entered: I'm running it as just constituency, MP, party, vote share, turnout, and then "% of electorate" is automatically calculated.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bwhVv1C-q2aNO4iw7SpXVI2Dj5b5-SffMzq2Mx9l0hY/edit?usp=sharing
The supplementary rows at the side are an automated "filter" programme (DO NOT TOUCH THE TOP ROW) that will pick out and print constituencies where the % electorate is over 45%

I was just going through the Constituencies list on teh Beeb.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies

[Calladan]

oh For fucks sake.

I have looked back through the thread and I swear to god we have had the terrorist discussion SEVENTEEN FUCKING TIMES.

Can we just give it a fucking rest and move on? To something that happened this fucking century?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF WE REFUSE?

BOMB US?

No. Just stop reading this thread. I have better things to do with my life than obsess over pointless shit.

Yes - the troubles were important. Yes, they were significant. But who talked to whom 30, 40 years ago during the height of them really does not fucking matter any more so let it go.

[Dumb Ideologies]

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF WE REFUSE?

BOMB US?

I have better things to do with my life than obsess over pointless shit.

How the hell did you get this superpower.

[Imperializt Russia]

I have better things to do with my life than obsess over pointless shit.

How the hell did you get this superpower.

I could be drinking and getting laid, but this is easier.

[Souseiseki]

yeah, i was gonna tell you just give up. give me an hour or two and i'll have it all for you.

e: well, the raw data at least

If you're feeling up to it lol xD

Here's the Google sheet: all constituency names are pre-entered: I'm running it as just constituency, MP, party, vote share, turnout, and then "% of electorate" is automatically calculated.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bwhVv1C-q2aNO4iw7SpXVI2Dj5b5-SffMzq2Mx9l0hY/edit?usp=sharing
The supplementary rows at the side are an automated "filter" programme (DO NOT TOUCH THE TOP ROW) that will pick out and print constituencies where the % electorate is over 45%

I was just going through the Constituencies list on teh Beeb.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies

i'd suggest making a back up of the sheet just in case :V

[Imperializt Russia]

I copy protected the formulas and I can just revert the edit history.

[Questers]

Labour just officially won Kensington.

[Gauliscia]

Labour just officially won Kensington.

argh what the hell

[Imperializt Russia]

Labour just officially won Kensington.

[socialism intensifies]

20 fucking votes.
20, god damn, fucking votes majority.

Never write off your vote as worthless ever again, YES I AM TALKING TO YOU JOHN CLEESE YOU PESSIMISTIC BASTARD

[Stormaen]

The result according to the thread poll!

To the best of the site limitations.

Not entirely far off it seems

[The Huskar Social Union]

*loling intensifies*

[Fartsniffage]

Labour just officially won Kensington.

argh what the hell

Even rich people are starting to realise that the torys are a bunch of cunts?