[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Italios]

which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
that's right
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Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

So you'd rather he do it in secret like Margaret Thatcher did?

[Eol Sha]

Just want to point out that there actually isn't a 'coalition' so stop using the term. Tories are setting up a minority government with the DUP supporting them on the Queens speech and the budget, and other issues vote by vote.

What's the difference?

[Olerand]

Well that depends on the country. On the Continent, mostly, that is true. In Britain, it is to the left. In America, it is to the far-left, etc.

Yes but as a basic concept. That said, I think the whole left right spectrum is completely useless when referring to political parties in a legislative chamber.

Even as a basic concept, with the neoliberal revolution, it has become something almost exclusively associated with the left in many countries.

And I will refrain from defending the left-right paradigm, even though like the vast majority of the French I am still deeply attached to our invention.

[Olerand]

Just want to point out that there actually isn't a 'coalition' so stop using the term. Tories are setting up a minority government with the DUP supporting them on the Queens speech and the budget, and other issues vote by vote.

What's the difference?

They're not in government, and receive no ministers.

[Gauliscia]

Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

So you'd rather he do it in secret like Margaret Thatcher did?

You're implying I'm hugely pro-Thatcher

[Proctopeo]

From what I've heard all they way in the States, it sounds like both May and Corbyn were pretty bad in their own special ways, which is quite a lot like what happened here in the last election. But with a PM instead of a President.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Just want to point out that there actually isn't a 'coalition' so stop using the term. Tories are setting up a minority government with the DUP supporting them on the Queens speech and the budget, and other issues vote by vote.

Let's be honest, it's a coalition in all but name.

[Eol Sha]

What's the difference?

They're not in government, and receive no ministers.

Why join the government then?

[Gauliscia]

Yes but as a basic concept. That said, I think the whole left right spectrum is completely useless when referring to political parties in a legislative chamber.

Even as a basic concept, with the neoliberal revolution, it has become something almost exclusively associated with the left in many countries.

And I will refrain from defending the left-right paradigm, even though like the vast majority of the French I am still deeply attached to our invention.

This is of course true, neoliberalism has changed this all.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, I'm actually trying to make that excel sheet I mentioned earlier, seeing how high the proportion of all the electorate in a given seat actually voted in favour of the elected MP.

The Beeb does not make this fucking easy, so you can't just, like, download a CSV file of called results or owt.
I saved some time by taking a spreadsheet from 2015 and copying across the constituency names, but I still have to open each constituency in a new tab, scroll down, and enter into the sheet to see the results, there's no flipping through the results per constituency :'(

Only halfway through the Bs!

[Olerand]

From what I've heard all they way in the States, it sounds like both May and Corbyn were pretty bad in their own special ways, which is quite a lot like what happened here in the last election. But with a PM instead of a President.

I don't think that's fair to either May or Corbyn. May wasn't great, but she's no Trump, and Corbyn wasn't great, but he's no Hillary either.


As a side note, how the hell has May survived? Is a coup still being formulated behind the curtains or what?

[Eol Sha]

From what I've heard all they way in the States, it sounds like both May and Corbyn were pretty bad in their own special ways, which is quite a lot like what happened here in the last election. But with a PM instead of a President.

I imagine that's a matter of perspective rather than reality.

[Souseiseki]

So, I'm actually trying to make that excel sheet I mentioned earlier, seeing how high the proportion of all the electorate in a given seat actually voted in favour of the elected MP.

The Beeb does not make this fucking easy, so you can't just, like, download a CSV file of called results or owt.
I saved some time by taking a spreadsheet from 2015 and copying across the constituency names, but I still have to open each constituency in a new tab, scroll down, and enter into the sheet to see the results, there's no flipping through the results per constituency :'(

Only halfway through the Bs!

how long is this taking you

[Eol Sha]

So, I'm actually trying to make that excel sheet I mentioned earlier, seeing how high the proportion of all the electorate in a given seat actually voted in favour of the elected MP.

The Beeb does not make this fucking easy, so you can't just, like, download a CSV file of called results or owt.
I saved some time by taking a spreadsheet from 2015 and copying across the constituency names, but I still have to open each constituency in a new tab, scroll down, and enter into the sheet to see the results, there's no flipping through the results per constituency :'(

Only halfway through the Bs!

Be sure to include a link/table in your factbook for posterity and perpetuity.

[Proctopeo]

From what I've heard all they way in the States, it sounds like both May and Corbyn were pretty bad in their own special ways, which is quite a lot like what happened here in the last election. But with a PM instead of a President.

I don't think that's fair to either May or Corbyn. May wasn't great, but she's no Trump, and Corbyn wasn't great, but he's no Hillary either.


As a side note, how the hell has May survived? Is a coup still being formulated behind the curtains or what?

Yeah, fair. They're both bad, but not as bad as our two main candidates were.

From what I've heard all they way in the States, it sounds like both May and Corbyn were pretty bad in their own special ways, which is quite a lot like what happened here in the last election. But with a PM instead of a President.

I imagine that's a matter of perspective rather than reality.

Isn't it always? But from a distant outside perspective, that's what it looks like.

[Gauliscia]

From what I've heard all they way in the States, it sounds like both May and Corbyn were pretty bad in their own special ways, which is quite a lot like what happened here in the last election. But with a PM instead of a President.

It was either a party responsible for crippling cuts or a party not considered competent for Brexit and unable to defend us in a nuclear war

[Calladan]

oh For fucks sake.

I have looked back through the thread and I swear to god we have had the terrorist discussion SEVENTEEN FUCKING TIMES.

Can we just give it a fucking rest and move on? To something that happened this fucking century?

[Olerand]

They're not in government, and receive no ministers.

Why join the government then?

They're not in the government. That's why there is no coalition. It's a confidence and supply arrangement, which means that they will allow the Conservatives to form a government by not voting against them, or voting for them or whatever, and will vote on bills that they like that the government proposes.

This gets them some of the benefits of being in government, like having their policies proposed by the Conservatives to keep their votes, without having to shoulder the pressure and mistakes of being in government. Or so the thought goes.

[St Salvador]

Lord Buckethead is now my favorite uk politician.

[Italios]

So you'd rather he do it in secret like Margaret Thatcher did?

You're implying I'm hugely pro-Thatcher

Even if you're a little pro-Thatcher, you're still a little pro-negotiating with terrorists, so. yeah.

[Fartsniffage]

As a side note, how the hell has May survived? Is a coup still being formulated behind the curtains or what?

Brexit. The PMship was a poisoned chalice from the moment we voted to leave. It's why she got it after Cameron resigned, no one else really wanted it.

It's now doubly bad since this government isn't going to survive long.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, I'm actually trying to make that excel sheet I mentioned earlier, seeing how high the proportion of all the electorate in a given seat actually voted in favour of the elected MP.

The Beeb does not make this fucking easy, so you can't just, like, download a CSV file of called results or owt.
I saved some time by taking a spreadsheet from 2015 and copying across the constituency names, but I still have to open each constituency in a new tab, scroll down, and enter into the sheet to see the results, there's no flipping through the results per constituency :'(

Only halfway through the Bs!

how long is this taking you

Well, it probably took me half an hour or more to do the first 43 constituencies, and that's with saving even more time by having both tabs windowed together.
Not including the time it took me to give up copying out all 650 constituency names by hand and trying to find a spreadsheet to the copy them out of, then realise that doesn't include NI, and then add those back in in the right alphabetical place.

I have since given up.

Turns out - the Tories actually have quite a few "highly democratic" constituencies, but fail to break that 50% boundary, usually between 40-45% of the entire electorate, which is still respectable.
Seat changes and narrow holds usually only have about 20-25% of the electorate voting for the elected MP, with most seats returning somewhere between 30-39%.

[Eol Sha]

I don't think that's fair to either May or Corbyn. May wasn't great, but she's no Trump, and Corbyn wasn't great, but he's no Hillary either.


As a side note, how the hell has May survived? Is a coup still being formulated behind the curtains or what?

Yeah, fair. They're both bad, but not as bad as our two main candidates were.

I imagine that's a matter of perspective rather than reality.

Isn't it always? But from a distant outside perspective, that's what it looks like.

Speaking for myself, I didn't find anything I heard about Corbyn all that alarming. Especially compared to May.

[Gauliscia]

You're implying I'm hugely pro-Thatcher

Even if you're a little pro-Thatcher, you're still a little pro-negotiating with terrorists, so. yeah.

Well my view is that the whole island of Ireland should be british but ho hum. I admire Thatcher for what she did with the Falklands and she was strong and the first lady, not to mention rising from being a grocers' daughter. But her economic philosophy doesn't fly with me.

[Dumb Ideologies]

oh For fucks sake.

I have looked back through the thread and I swear to god we have had the terrorist discussion SEVENTEEN FUCKING TIMES.

Can we just give it a fucking rest and move on? To something that happened this fucking century?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF WE REFUSE?

BOMB US?