[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Bakery Hill]

which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
that's right
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Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

Yes but they didn't enter into a political coalition with them.

[Bakery Hill]

Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

1. I hate Diane Abbot
2. The IRA and Hamas are only called terrorists because they fight the UK (imperialist puppet of israel) and Israel (puppet master)

> UK is a puppet of Israel

:thinking:

[Gauliscia]

Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

1. I hate Diane Abbot
2. The IRA and Hamas are only called terrorists because they fight the UK (imperialist puppet of israel) and Israel (puppet master)

They are terrorists because they have killed british people on British soil or in the case of Israel, frequently use human shields. But that's a debate for elsewhere most likely.

[Bakery Hill]

crazy how Theresa May is leading a coalition of chaos with terrorists. Fuck the DUP and fuck the tories. You've just allowed an extremist party that wants to ethnically cleanse Ulster into power, strong and stable my ass. Ulster won't be stable for long that's for sure.

Well, a labour coalition of chaos would also include terrorist sympathisers so no one is in the clear here.

Corbyn's thoughts on the IRA aside this a completely different kettle of fish. The DUP was founded by Ian Paisle, a man who himself founded not one, not two but three terrorist organisations. It was lead up until last year by an actual terrorist. It has in its ranks the children of terrorists and those who have written and publicly spoken, overtly, in favour of terrorism. The Tories are in for a rough ride.

[Hydesland]

Left twitter:

Macron wins a landslide: "meh, so?"
Corbyn doesn't even win: "LOL THIRD WAY CENTRISM IS DEAD FOREVER"

[Imperializt Russia]

which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
that's right
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Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

Thatcher held secret talks with the IRA while publicly denouncing the idea of "negotiating with terrorists". A sitting Tory councillor is a former IRA soldier. A sitting Tory Lord admitted to laundering money for the IRA.

I can show you pictures of Prince Charles and the fucking Queen shaking hands with Gerry Adams and John McGuinness if you really fucking want.

[Questers]

The terrorist groups the DUP is associated with shot down random people in the streets for no other reason than they were catholic. In particular, the UDA would have ethnically cleansed Northern Ireland the moment the British Army withdrew.

Like Sinn Fein they should be banned political organisations. They're terror-supporting groups. It's like having a party that you call the "political wing of Al Qaeda."

[Imperializt Russia]

Left twitter:

Macron wins a landslide: "meh, so?"
Corbyn doesn't even win: "LOL THIRD WAY CENTRISM IS DEAD FOREVER"

And also the (((mainstream media))) but whatever.

[Questers]

Left twitter:

Macron wins a landslide: "meh, so?"
Corbyn doesn't even win: "LOL THIRD WAY CENTRISM IS DEAD FOREVER"

Macron is closer to Corbyn than Blair is. People like Macron would be vilified as outright Communists in this country.

[Questers]

which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
that's right
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Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

The government is now allied with a Northern Irish party that is very closely related to the UDF and the UVF and the RHC which shot and bombed British people for many years.

I don't agree with DA and JC on Hamas and Israel entirely, but Hamas's fight is mostly with Israel. Their rocket attacks on Israel are actually just an incompetent form of strategic bombing, which we were quite happy to do when our existence was threatened. A state under threat from another state has the right to attack its civilians. That's why its called war and not cowboys and indians in the playground.

[Thanatttynia]

It's somewhat bizarre to be faced with the prospect of a Con-DUP coalition (in all but name), especially given how estranged the political situation in Northern Ireland is from that in the rest of the UK. I can't see either party doing well after this, but I'm not knowledgeable on this.

Questions for those who know more than me:

Stormont politics is, of course, several degrees more complicated than Westminster politics, but could the UUP win back the support of moderate Unionists/Protestants? If not, is there any party that could take its place?

Is there any possibility Lab/LD/Con MPs could be elected if they were to stand as candidates in NI Constituencies? Would they be able to stand or is it not allowed?

[Nova Stephania]

I'm very late to the thread but does anyone want a cup while I'm up and about?



We hoped June would be the end of May and I am proud of you all.
(Not you Scotland, you're on the naughty step until the government breaks down and we go to the polls again.)

[Hydesland]

Left twitter:

Macron wins a landslide: "meh, so?"
Corbyn doesn't even win: "LOL THIRD WAY CENTRISM IS DEAD FOREVER"

Macron is closer to Corbyn than Blair is. People like Macron would be vilified as outright Communists in this country.

Macron was to the right of Ed Miliband last I checked. There was a huge concern that left wing people in France would abstain from voting as he was considered far too "neoliberal".

[Geilinor]

The DUP are absolutely bonkers and May called them "friends". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Defence_Association#Politics

In early January 1994, the UDA released a document calling for ethnic cleansing and repartition, with the goal of making Northern Ireland wholly Protestant.[73] The plan was to be implemented should the British Army withdraw from Northern Ireland. Areas in the south and west with strong Catholic/nationalist majorities would be handed over to the Republic, and those Catholics left stranded in the "Protestant state" would be "expelled, nullified, or interned".[73]

The story was printed in The Sunday Independent newspaper on 16 January.[74] The "doomsday plan" was based on the work of Dr Liam Kennedy, a lecturer at Queen's University Belfast[73] who in 1986 had published a book called Two Ulsters: A Case for Repartition although it did not call for ethnic cleansing. The UDP's Raymond Smallwoods said "I wasn't consulted but the scenario set out is a perfectly plausible one".[73]

The DUP's Sammy Wilson stated that the plan "shows that some loyalist paramilitaries are looking ahead and contemplating what needs to be done to maintain our separate Ulster identity"[73]

They have an MP who defended a proposal of genocide!

[Ifreann]

Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

Thatcher held secret talks with the IRA while publicly denouncing the idea of "negotiating with terrorists". A sitting Tory councillor is a former IRA soldier. A sitting Tory Lord admitted to laundering money for the IRA.

I can show you pictures of Prince Charles and the fucking Queen shaking hands with Gerry Adams and John McGuinness if you really fucking want.

Martin McGuinness.

[Bakery Hill]

Put it this way, what do you think would happen if Corbyn, or any other member of the Labour Party, went to a wake for a leader of a Nationalist paramilitary? What if this paramilitary was accused of killing several Catholic civilians?

What if Corbyn. or any other member of the Labour Party, had in the past spoken publicly in favour of a proposal by a National paramilitary, one that advocated deporting Protestant back to Britain and interning and isolating all those who could not be repatriated?

What if Corbyn went into Coalition with Sinn Fein? A party that, until recently was headed by known leaders of a terrorist organisation?

That'd destroy his career right?

[Eclius]

I'm very late to the thread but does anyone want a cup while I'm up and about?

(Image)

We hoped June would be the end of May and I am proud of you all.
(Not you Scotland, you're on the naughty step until the government breaks down and we go to the polls again.)

Well, Tories did manage, however, to get the largest number of votes, but nonetheless, the seat they lost indicates that people are less and less supportive of the Tories. As for SNP, well, they were the biggest losers, having lost 19 seats (which is predictable, considering that, majority of the Scottish people voted stay in UK years back in the referendum)

[Olerand]

Macron is closer to Corbyn than Blair is. People like Macron would be vilified as outright Communists in this country.

Macron was to the right of Ed Miliband last I checked. There was a huge concern that left wing people in France would abstain from voting as he was considered far too "neoliberal".

Macron is essentially Blair. Which means that he wouldn't be considered left, anymore, by the UK left, but would still be "to the left" on the UK political spectrum at large.

[Questers]

As far as I'm aware, Macron supports the broad consensus in France - that means much more welfare spending than Corbyn is proposing, and part-ownership of the state in the country's major utilities, including nationally owned rail and energy companies. So while Macron might be "Blair", he's French Blair. And French Blair is very left wing in this country.

[Nova Stephania]

I'm very late to the thread but does anyone want a cup while I'm up and about?

(Image)

We hoped June would be the end of May and I am proud of you all.
(Not you Scotland, you're on the naughty step until the government breaks down and we go to the polls again.)

Well, Tories did manage, however, to get the largest number of votes, but nonetheless, the seat they lost indicates that people are less and less supportive of the Tories. As for SNP, well, they were the biggest losers, having lost 19 seats (which is predictable, considering that, majority of the Scottish people voted stay in UK years back in the referendum)

Given the first past the post system this is pretty much irrelevant, after all if votes translated to seats then the Tories would be on 276 seats and Labour would be on 260.

[Eol Sha]

It will be entertaining, for sure.

You just wish that they weren't in government so their chaos doesn't have to affect the rest of the UK. May's hubris has destabilised this country massively, and it really remains to be seen whether such a shaky position for the Conservatives - whilst they are still in power - will do more to help or harm British people. The Opposition has been greatly strengthened, but the Tories are still in Government, and therefore a swift and decisive action, whichever way (I'm hoping for a leadership change at the least, if not another election), is what we should all be hoping for.

May is going to go down as one of the worst prime ministers ever.

Worse than Cameron?

[Geilinor]

May is going to go down as one of the worst prime ministers ever.

Worse than Cameron?

Despite the EU referendum, Cameron was politically smart. He wouldn't have called a useless snap election and lost a majority. He was also socially centrist so that's a plus.

[Eclius]

Macron was to the right of Ed Miliband last I checked. There was a huge concern that left wing people in France would abstain from voting as he was considered far too "neoliberal".

Macron is essentially Blair. Which means that he wouldn't be considered left, anymore, by the UK left, but would still be "to the left" on the UK political spectrum at large.

Not really, Macron is a puppet to EU elitists, so if we consider Corbyn as being left on UK spectrum, then Macron isn't really left if compared to UK spectrum, after all, he isn't supported by workers

[Eclius]

It will be entertaining, for sure.

You just wish that they weren't in government so their chaos doesn't have to affect the rest of the UK. May's hubris has destabilised this country massively, and it really remains to be seen whether such a shaky position for the Conservatives - whilst they are still in power - will do more to help or harm British people. The Opposition has been greatly strengthened, but the Tories are still in Government, and therefore a swift and decisive action, whichever way (I'm hoping for a leadership change at the least, if not another election), is what we should all be hoping for.

May is going to go down as one of the worst prime ministers ever.

Worse than Blair?

[Olerand]

As far as I'm aware, Macron supports the broad consensus in France - (1) that means much more welfare spending than Corbyn is proposing, and (2) part-ownership of the state in the country's major utilities, (3) including nationally owned rail and energy companies. (4) So while Macron might be "Blair", he's French Blair. And French Blair is very left wing in this country.

1- Yes, and no. He's "in the middle" on the welfare State in France (he wants to cut costs, but supports instituting a universal unemployment welfare, as opposed to the current system where those who quit their job cannot file for unemployment). However, of course, the welfare State is already broader and more liberal in its spending in France than the UK, and this is just the baseline one is working from. So if Macron is "to the center" on this, it makes him "to the left" in the UK, but I wouldn't say to the left of Corbyn.
2- A given really. Everyone from the radical right to the radical left in France believes in the necessity of the State maintaining shares in vital industries, like defense, energy, etc.
3- Yes, and no. He has not proposed to privatize the SNCF, but per EU rules, rail will be open to competition in 2021. We will see what Macron thinks of the SNCF then. EDF is also publicly owned up to 85% or so I believe, though every successive government (including those of the left) have sold parts of it in efforts to get some cash quick, back when the energy market hadn't collapsed and EDF was still worth something. I predict a future for EDF like that of what is now Engie, previously GDFSuez, and before that Gaz de France; slow and gradual privatization. Politicians might promise otherwise, as the right did in the mid-2000s when it merged GDF and Suez, and they promised the State will maintain a majority share, then the State only maintained 1/3, but (mostly) privatization is inevitable.
4- True, to an extent. He is Blairite, but in France. The center being to the left in France of course means he is to the left of the UK center, even though he is centrist and by no means of the left. That does not mean he is to the left of Corbyn, however.