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Who will you vote for?

Poll ended at Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:18 am

Conservative Party
182
29%
Green Party
26
4%
Labour Party
182
29%
Liberal Democrats
89
14%
Plaid Cymru
6
1%
Scottish National Party
44
7%
UK Independence Party
56
9%
Other
12
2%
Not voting
41
6%
 
Total votes : 638

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:53 am

Liriena wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:So one of the Tory twatbaskets on my Facebook, a man with no critical thinking skills, posted a shitty "joke".
"Bet those Labour votes would have dropped of you had to be employed to vote".

He had, of course, spent the last few weeks laughing about how rekt Labour was going to be and stroking himself off to a domineering May majority.

Of course, this is just pure disenfranchisement of votes. Fitting, since the Tories never once encouraged people in general, let alone young people, to get registered to vote.

But funnily enough, this would actually harm the Tories. An FT analysis tries to show a link between unemployment and swing from Labour to Conservative.

https://www.ft.com/content/dac3a3b2-4ad ... 14ce4af89b
There is a correlation between the percentage population in poor health, and swing to Cons. This is because an area with high poor health is either elderly, or deprived, with under and unemployed persons. And the correlation between number of those in poor health and those in under/unemployment and with low skills.

We don't like your critical thinking kind around these parts. You will speak in simplistic, smug and uninformed propagandistic clichés. >:(

He has already leapt to the defence of "just a joke".

And taken a swipe at my intellect.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:53 am

Liriena wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:So one of the Tory twatbaskets on my Facebook, a man with no critical thinking skills, posted a shitty "joke".
"Bet those Labour votes would have dropped of you had to be employed to vote".

He had, of course, spent the last few weeks laughing about how rekt Labour was going to be and stroking himself off to a domineering May majority.

Of course, this is just pure disenfranchisement of votes. Fitting, since the Tories never once encouraged people in general, let alone young people, to get registered to vote.

But funnily enough, this would actually harm the Tories. An FT analysis tries to show a link between unemployment and swing from Labour to Conservative.

https://www.ft.com/content/dac3a3b2-4ad ... 14ce4af89b
There is a correlation between the percentage population in poor health, and swing to Cons. This is because an area with high poor health is either elderly, or deprived, with under and unemployed persons. And the correlation between number of those in poor health and those in under/unemployment and with low skills.

We don't like your critical thinking kind around these parts. You will speak in simplistic, smug and uninformed propagandistic clichés. >:(

He has already leapt to the defence of "just a joke".

And taken a swipe at my intellect.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:54 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Liriena wrote:We don't like your critical thinking kind around these parts. You will speak in simplistic, smug and uninformed propagandistic clichés. >:(

He has already leapt to the defence of "just a joke".

And taken a swipe at my intellect.

Masterful tactic. Doesn't make the people who use it look like fragile twats at all.
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Postby Gauliscia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:56 am

Well bloody hell. What do you expect however? Endorse more savage spending cuts or the one of most incompetent front bench ever.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:57 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Liriena wrote:We don't like your critical thinking kind around these parts. You will speak in simplistic, smug and uninformed propagandistic clichés. >:(

He has already leapt to the defence of "just a joke".

And taken a swipe at my intellect.


Isn't that the point when you act belligerent and a bit stupid for a couple of posts, wait for him to get condescending and think he's won the intellectual high ground and then put in a devastating counter-attack?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:57 am

Gauliscia wrote:Well bloody hell. What do you expect however? Endorse more savage spending cuts or the one of most incompetent front bench ever.

May never should have called this election
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:Well bloody hell. What do you expect however? Endorse more savage spending cuts or the one of most incompetent front bench ever.

May never should have called this election

That ship has sailed. And she blew it. Good gawd, did she blow it.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:58 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:So one of the Tory twatbaskets on my Facebook, a man with no critical thinking skills, posted a shitty "joke".
"Bet those Labour votes would have dropped of you had to be employed to vote".

He had, of course, spent the last few weeks laughing about how rekt Labour was going to be and stroking himself off to a domineering May majority.

Of course, this is just pure disenfranchisement of votes. Fitting, since the Tories never once encouraged people in general, let alone young people, to get registered to vote.

But funnily enough, this would actually harm the Tories. An FT analysis tries to show a link between unemployment and swing from Labour to Conservative.

https://www.ft.com/content/dac3a3b2-4ad ... 14ce4af89b
There is a correlation between the percentage population in poor health, and swing to Cons. This is because an area with high poor health is either elderly, or deprived, with under and unemployed persons. And the correlation between number of those in poor health and those in under/unemployment and with low skills.


no. he's totally right. the labour movement is famous for, uh, not labouring.

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maybe i should have thought this through more
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Postby Gauliscia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:59 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:Well bloody hell. What do you expect however? Endorse more savage spending cuts or the one of most incompetent front bench ever.

May never should have called this election

Personally I think it was a smart move when she called it, the issue is the bland and uninspired manifesto and campaign that followed. I knew they'd be too complacent.
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Postby Union of Despotistan » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:59 am

I am actually quite happy the Conservatives will have to ally with the DUP.
The Conservative are conservative only by name in the UK this last decade and the DUP might swing them back to the Right.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:01 am

Union of Despotistan wrote:I am actually quite happy the Conservatives will have to ally with the DUP.
The Conservative are conservative only by name in the UK this last decade and the DUP might swing them back to the Right.

Yeah! Nothing like a terrorist-sympathizing religious fundamentalists in government. :3
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Postby Bheothachadh » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:01 am

Union of Despotistan wrote:I am actually quite happy the Conservatives will have to ally with the DUP.
The Conservative are conservative only by name in the UK this last decade and the DUP might swing them back to the Right.

crazy how Theresa May is leading a coalition of chaos with terrorists. Fuck the DUP and fuck the tories. You've just allowed an extremist party that wants to ethnically cleanse Ulster into power, strong and stable my ass. Ulster won't be stable for long that's for sure.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:02 am

Bheothachadh wrote:
Union of Despotistan wrote:I am actually quite happy the Conservatives will have to ally with the DUP.
The Conservative are conservative only by name in the UK this last decade and the DUP might swing them back to the Right.

crazy how Theresa May is leading a coalition of chaos with terrorists. Fuck the DUP and fuck the tories. You've just allowed an extremist party that wants to ethnically cleanse Ulster into power, strong and stable my ass. Ulster won't be stable for long that's for sure.

An extremist party that has a disturbingly big hate-boner for sodomy. Gross.
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Bheothachadh » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:03 am

Liriena wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:crazy how Theresa May is leading a coalition of chaos with terrorists. Fuck the DUP and fuck the tories. You've just allowed an extremist party that wants to ethnically cleanse Ulster into power, strong and stable my ass. Ulster won't be stable for long that's for sure.

An extremist party that has a disturbingly big hate-boner for sodomy. Gross.

I don't care about domestic policy, the only issues I care about are immigration, foreign affairs and the economy. Domestic policy is for the most part divisive.
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Postby Questers » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:04 am

Bheothachadh wrote:
Liriena wrote:An extremist party that has a disturbingly big hate-boner for sodomy. Gross.

I don't care about domestic policy, the only issues I care about are immigration, foreign affairs and the economy. Domestic policy is for the most part divisive.
Immigration and the economy are domestic policy lol
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:04 am

Liriena wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:crazy how Theresa May is leading a coalition of chaos with terrorists. Fuck the DUP and fuck the tories. You've just allowed an extremist party that wants to ethnically cleanse Ulster into power, strong and stable my ass. Ulster won't be stable for long that's for sure.

An extremist party that has a disturbingly big hate-boner for sodomy. Gross.


Could be win-win. Look what happened to the Lib Dems after their coalition....
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:04 am

Bheothachadh wrote:
Liriena wrote:An extremist party that has a disturbingly big hate-boner for sodomy. Gross.

I don't care about domestic policy, the only issues I care about are immigration, foreign affairs and the economy. Domestic policy is for the most part divisive.

Joke's on you: the DUP like having open borders with Ireland. There goes your "hard Brexit". :3
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Postby Gauliscia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:06 am

Bheothachadh wrote:
Union of Despotistan wrote:I am actually quite happy the Conservatives will have to ally with the DUP.
The Conservative are conservative only by name in the UK this last decade and the DUP might swing them back to the Right.

crazy how Theresa May is leading a coalition of chaos with terrorists. Fuck the DUP and fuck the tories. You've just allowed an extremist party that wants to ethnically cleanse Ulster into power, strong and stable my ass. Ulster won't be stable for long that's for sure.

Well, a labour coalition of chaos would also include terrorist sympathisers so no one is in the clear here.
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Postby Bheothachadh » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:07 am

Questers wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:I don't care about domestic policy, the only issues I care about are immigration, foreign affairs and the economy. Domestic policy is for the most part divisive.
Immigration and the economy are domestic policy lol

I mean social issues like abortion and sodomite marriage etc i havent slept in 36 hours give me a break

Liriena wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:I don't care about domestic policy, the only issues I care about are immigration, foreign affairs and the economy. Domestic policy is for the most part divisive.

Joke's on you: the DUP like having open borders with Ireland. There goes your "hard Brexit". :3

well that should be there in the first place considering the DUP are the puppet party governing occupied Ulster
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Postby Bheothachadh » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:07 am

Gauliscia wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:crazy how Theresa May is leading a coalition of chaos with terrorists. Fuck the DUP and fuck the tories. You've just allowed an extremist party that wants to ethnically cleanse Ulster into power, strong and stable my ass. Ulster won't be stable for long that's for sure.

Well, a labour coalition of chaos would also include terrorist sympathisers so no one is in the clear here.

which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:10 am

Bheothachadh wrote:
Questers wrote: Immigration and the economy are domestic policy lol

I mean social issues like abortion and sodomite marriage etc i havent slept in 36 hours give me a break

Liriena wrote:Joke's on you: the DUP like having open borders with Ireland. There goes your "hard Brexit". :3

well that should be there in the first place considering the DUP are the puppet party governing occupied Ulster

:P
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Postby Gauliscia » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:10 am

Bheothachadh wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:Well, a labour coalition of chaos would also include terrorist sympathisers so no one is in the clear here.

which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
that's right
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Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:12 am

Gauliscia wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
that's right
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Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

Thatcher also secretly had talks with the IRA back in the day. Big deal.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Bheothachadh » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:12 am

Gauliscia wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:which terrorist groups does Jeremy Corbyn support
that's right
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Between himself and Diane Abbot they take a sympathetic view on Hamas and the IRA. Diane Abbot is notoriously anti British and Corbyn has opened talks with many of these people despite them having killed british people.

1. I hate Diane Abbot
2. The IRA and Hamas are only called terrorists because they fight the UK (imperialist puppet of israel) and Israel (puppet master)
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Postby Hydesland » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:13 am

Bheothachadh wrote:2. The IRA and Hamas are only called terrorists because they fight the UK (imperialist puppet of israel) and Israel (puppet master)


Not they are literally and unambiguously terrorists.

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